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WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. is tracking a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that has been spotted over U.S. airspace for a couple days, but the Pentagon decided not to shoot it down due to risks of harm for people on the ground, officials said Thursday.

A senior defense official told Pentagon reporters that the U.S. has “very high confidence” it is a Chinese high-altitude balloon and it was flying over sensitive sites to collect information. One of the places the balloon was spotted was Montana, which is home to one of the nation’s three nuclear missile silo fields at Malmstrom Air Force Base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information.

Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder, Pentagon press secretary, provided a brief statement on the issue, saying the government continues to track the balloon. He said it is “currently traveling at an altitude well above commercial air traffic and does not present a military or physical threat to people on the ground.”

He said similar balloon activity has been seen in the past several years. He added that the U.S. took steps to ensure it did not collect sensitive information.

The defense official said the U.S. has “engaged” Chinese officials through multiple channels and communicated the seriousness of the matter.

The Pentagon announcement comes days before Secretary of State Antony Blinken is expected to travel to China. It’s not clear if this will affect his travel plans, which the State Department has not formally announced.

The U.S. is expanding its military presence in Asia, in a string of moves aimed at countering Beijing and reassuring Indo-Pacific allies that America will stand with them against threats from China and North Korea.

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China: Balloon over US skies is for research, wind pushed it​

China said Friday that a balloon spotted over American airspace was used for weather research and was blown off course, despite U.S. suspicion it was spying. The discovery further strained already tense relations between Beijing and Washington.

The Pentagon decided not to shoot down the balloon, which was potentially flying over sensitive sites, because of concerns of hurting people on the ground.

The news came as U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken was expected to make his first trip to Beijing this weekend. The visit has not been formally announced, and it was not immediately clear if the balloon's discovery would affect his travel plans. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said she had no information on the trip.
 
President Biden said nothing about the Chinese spy balloon floating over the central US during a Friday speech in Philadelphia — instead going on a bizarre tangent claiming that first lady Jill Biden once cheered on a fistfight at a local hockey game.

“I’m Jill Biden’s husband. She’s a Philly girl. So the first thing I’m going to say is Go Eagles! Fly, Eagles, fly!” Biden said, alluding to the Feb. 12 Super Bowl between the Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs.

“The good news is I happened to mean it, but if I didn’t I’d say it,” the president added. “You know why? Otherwise I’d be sleeping alone.”

“As the mayor knows, she is one self-assured Philly fan,” Biden said of the first lady.

“My wife hates violence, she says. But I told [Sen.] Bobby Casey this: We went to a Flyers game a couple years ago … and the Secret Service is in a box next to us and anyway, and there’s a fight that breaks out and my wife, who hates violence, goes, ‘Hit ’em! Get ’em!’ She was jumping up and the Secret Service looked [like], ‘Where the heck did that come from?'”
The Pentagon and State Department said Friday that the balloon is a snooping device, not an errant weather balloon as China claims.

Biden is facing pressure to shoot it down — though White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Friday that he decided not to do so after the Defense Department warned of possible civilian casualties.

The US military was closely tracking a huge, high-altitude balloon from China as it sailed across the country on Friday — sparking a spying saga that led to Secretary of State Antony Blinken abruptly postponing a high-stakes Beijing trip.

The “maneuverable” balloon was first spotted Tuesday and has already traveled over sensitive military sites in Montana — and is expected to remain in American airspace for several more days, US officials say.

While China tried to claim the balloon was just a weather research “airship” that had blown off course, the Pentagon was quick to reject that claim — dealing a new blow to already strained relations between Washington and Beijing.

Here’s what we know about the Chinese balloon so far:

What is a spy balloon?​

Spy balloons are, simply put, a surveillance device.

The one discovered over the US in recent days is a Chinese high-altitude balloon that is flying over sensitive sites to collect information, US officials have said.

The balloon is “maneuverable” and is capable of changing course, Air Force Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder revealed at a Pentagon press briefing Friday.
He wouldn’t say precisely how the balloon was powered or who in China was controlling its flight path.

The balloon has a “payload” of surveillance equipment hanging from it, but there was no evidence of any nuclear or radioactive contents, Ryder added.

Where is it in the US now?​

The balloon had moved eastward and was over the central United States as of midday Friday, Pentagon officials said.

Moments later, Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) tweeted that the balloon was over northeastern Kansas. Other sightings of the balloon were reported across the state of Missouri Friday afternoon, beginning in the Kansas City metro area and continuing through the city of Washington, about 50 miles west of St. Louis.

The balloon was previously tracked over Alaska’s Aleutian Islands and northwestern Canada.

On Thursday, the balloon was spotted over the state of Montana, which is home to one of America’s three nuclear missile silo fields at Malmstrom Air Force Base.

A US official said the flight path would likely carry the balloon over a number of sensitive sites, but did not elaborate further.

Why hasn’t the US shot it down?​


The US military opted not to shoot down the balloon because of the safety risks to people on the ground given the size of the payload and potential for debris, officials said.


A senior defense official said the US had scrambled fighter jets, including F-22s, to shoot it down if ordered — but President Biden accepted the Pentagon’s recommendations to let the balloon be.

On Friday, Ryder declined to rule out shooting down the device if it heads out over open water, saying the US would “review our options.”

What has China said?​


China initially said the balloon was a civilian airship used mainly for meteorological research that had strayed into US airspace after being blown off course.

US officials, however, say they have “very high confidence” the balloon was being flown over America to collect information due to its maneuverability.

Are balloon sightings common and what’s uncommon about this one?​

Balloon sightings happen with some frequency.

In its January report on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena — Pentagon jargon for UFOs — the Defense Department noted 163 of 366 reports (or 44%) could be “characterized as balloon or balloon-like entities,” though it’s unclear where the entities were spotted and from what countries they came.
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Blinken postpones China trip amid spy balloon row; US officials scramble to get rid of it​


WASHINGTON – Secretary of State Antony Blinken postponed an imminent trip to China because a Chinese surveillance balloon drifting over the U.S. is a "clear violation" of sovereignty and international law, Biden administration officials said Friday.

Blinken will reschedule the trip when conditions are right, officials said.

Although the trip had not been officially announced, Blinken had been set to leave Friday night, a day after the Pentagon announced it had spotted what it identified as a spy balloon flying over the U.S.

China disputed that characterization, calling it a “civilian airship” that blew off course.

And some lawmakers criticized the Biden administration for how it has handled the situation, and for not taking stronger action against China. Sen. John Tester, a Montana Democrat and chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, said his committee will hold a hearing on the matter. “China’s actions are a clear threat to those values and to America’s national security, and I’m demanding answers from the Biden Administration," he said in a statement. "I will be pulling people before my committee to get real answers on how this happened, and how we can prevent it from ever happening again.”

The airship is used for meteorological and other research, the Chinese government said in a statement in which it expressed regret for the balloon's “unintended entry” into U.S. airspace.

U.S. officials stand by their assessment.

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Another Chinese spy balloon spotted over Latin America, Pentagon says​

Another Chinese spy balloon is currently making its way over Latin America, Pentagon officials said Friday night.

“We are seeing reports of a balloon transiting Latin America. We now assess it is another Chinese surveillance balloon,” Pentagon spokesperson Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said in a statement.

No additional information about the balloon or its location was available, he said.

The report of a second balloon comes after Pentagon officials announced Thursday that a high-altitude balloon had been spotted flying over sensitive sites in the western US to collect information.

A senior Pentagon official said the US is “confident” that the aircraft is from China.
 
It’s done, will hunter have to give the finger painting money back?

Explosion in the sky' above Billings Montana where Chinese spy balloon was spotted infiltrating U.S airspace - as residents report seeing jet zoom by after officials came under fire for refusing to shoot it down​

 


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So all those UFOs are Chinese weather balloons. Mystery solved.
 
So then the damn thing made it all the way across the country, and China got whatever it was they were looking for, before it was shot down. And China now knows exactly how timid and weak we've become since 2021. Great job China Joe... :finger:
 
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Said to be around the size of two to three buses, the balloon — floating at an altitude of around 60,000 feet — flew over Canada and Alaska’s Aleutian Islands before being spotted in the continental United States. It then made its way eastward, being spotted across the country before it was shot down on Saturday afternoon.


Earlier on Saturday, when President Biden — who had not yet publicly addressed the balloon – was asked about the possibility of shooting it down, he told reporters: "We're gonna take care of it."


Soon after, the Federal Aviation Administration shut down three airports in both North and South Carolina “to support the Department of Defense in a national security effort.”

 

Biden says he authorized Pentagon days ago to shoot down Chinese spy balloon​


President Joe Biden said shortly after the U.S. military shot down a Chinese spy balloon that he gave the order to shoot it down on Wednesday but that military officials waited until Saturday to do so.

"I ordered the Pentagon to shoot it down on Wednesday as soon as possible," Biden told reporters on Saturday. "They decided without doing any damage to people on the ground they decided that the best time to do that was when it got over water outside within a 12 mile limit."

"They successfully took it down and I want to compliment our aviators who did it and we'll have more to report on a little later."


My bet is 'more to report on a little later' will deal with the US Naval Vessel recovery of the balloon and what it had aboard.
 
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Biden says he authorized Pentagon days ago to shoot down Chinese spy balloon​


President Joe Biden said shortly after the U.S. military shot down a Chinese spy balloon that he gave the order to shoot it down on Wednesday but that military officials waited until Saturday to do so.

"I ordered the Pentagon to shoot it down on Wednesday as soon as possible," Biden told reporters on Saturday. "They decided without doing any damage to people on the ground they decided that the best time to do that was when it got over water outside within a 12 mile limit."

"They successfully took it down and I want to compliment our aviators who did it and we'll have more to report on a little later."


My bet is 'more to report on a little later' will deal with the US Naval Vessel recovery of the balloon and what it had aboard.
But not until they got what they paid for
 

Marco Rubio Deflated After Learning Trump Let a Chinese Spy Balloon Fly Over the U.S. 3 Times (Video)​


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Karl set up the exchange with the Republican senator from Florida saying that President Biden ordered the massive balloon shot down based on the advice of the military - when it was over the ocean rather than overpopulated land. Although Rubio agreed that "shooting something out of the sky that is the size of three buses and it lands on the wrong place," falling debris could have "hurt, harmed or killed people" on the ground, he went on to criticize Biden for not telling the American people what they were dealing with.

"If that was the case, then I think it really would have been helpful for the President of the United States to get on national television and explain to the American people, 'This is what we're dealing with, this is what I'm going to do about it, and this is why I haven't done it yet,'" Rubio said. "None of that happened. And I don't know why. I don't know why they waited so long to tell people about this if they knew the trajectory it was on since last week."

Karl let Rubio complete his thought and then spoke up, nonchalantly informing Rubio that what he is criticizing Biden for doing, Trump did three times during his administration.

"This happened three times under the previous president," Karl said. "Obviously, there were no public notifications there."

You can watch the entire exchange in the clip above.

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Pentagon refuses to identify the “senior defense official” who misled reporters about the 3 China balloon intrusions under Trump. A spokesperson won’t disclose because briefing was on background. Also won’t say if the official is a political appointee.
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Did Chinese spy balloons fly near the US during the Trump administration and Milley deliberately withheld the intel from the White House?
 
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The airship is used for meteorological and other research, the Chinese government said , also flew over part of Canada and our bubble head didn't do a dang thing about it and when it came out he sort of agreed that yea it was such a baloon blowed off course no big deal ....from the diagram of the path it came through it was in our airspace for awhile ...maybe Canada have very little secrets to protect but still it was in our airspace without permission or sort of explanation till was after the fact...
 
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