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Turd Fergusen

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Robert Hanssen, a former FBI agent who became one of the most notorious spies in US history, died in federal prison Monday morning. He was 79.

Hanssen was found unresponsive in his cell at the United States Penitentiary Florence ADMAX in Florence, Colo. at about 6:55 a.m., according to a statement from the Federal Bureau of Prisons. The staff tried to save his life and requested help from emergency medical services, to no avail.

No other staff or inmates were hurt, authorities said, and there is no danger to the public. The Associated Press, citing a person familiar with the matter, reported that Hanssen is believed to have died of natural causes.

Hanssen was serving a life sentence for spying on the United States and providing information to the Soviet Union and, later on, Russia.

Hanssen was apprehended in February 2001 while making a “dead drop” of classified information for his Russian intelligence contacts at a park near his northern Virginia home. He pleaded guilty that July to 13 counts of espionage, one count of attempted espionage, and one of conspiracy to commit espionage.

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Hanssen should have gotten the death penalty. Who knows how many Americans, as well as Russians secretly working on the behalf of the US, died as a result of his actions?

Trivia: There was also a serial killer in Alaska named Robert Hansen (one "s"). Is that name cursed?



So I took a look...

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Never would I have guessed Jeremy was number 1
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If you go to the link you might be able to check your propensity for crime.

Here's Robert:

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So I took a look...

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Never would I have guessed Jeremy was number 1
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If you go to the link you might be able to check your propensity for crime.

Here's Robert:

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Since Jeremy is #1, I'll just drop this picture here. Remember the "hot felon," Jeremy Meeks?
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Mine is tops on drug related but zero on murder and property destruction. I guess if you let me have my B&J ice cream fix I'm zen and the world is safe!
My name isn't even on the list!
 

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Since Jeremy is #1, I'll just drop this picture here. Remember the "hot felon," Jeremy Meeks?
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My name isn't even on the list!
The name I use is the drug-related one. The other (my birth name, not a particularly unusual one) isn't on the list, which can either mean I'm a goody two-shoes or I was too smart to get caught.

Getting back to Hanssen, I wonder why he wasn't executed without delay whereas Timothy McVeigh was given the express lane.
 
The short version is that Hanssen had information our government wanted, Hanssen wanted to be sure his wife Bonnie and their 6 children were provided for with his pension and that he didn't receive the death penalty so a deal was struck.

McVeigh and his co-conspirator were quickly identified. He had nothing to bargain with.


"Hanssen, 57, will receive a life sentence under a plea bargain that calls for him to first spend six months debriefing his former colleagues about the treachery that netted him $1.43 million in cash, diamonds and foreign bank deposits. The deal, which was struck secretly on June 14, allows him to avoid the death penalty."

" In addition, under a 1996 law designed to encourage spies' families to cooperate, Bonnie Hanssen will receive spousal benefits from his FBI pension. Bonnie Hanssen is eligible for 55 percent of Hanssen's pension, or about $40,000 a year, because she has "fully cooperated" and "did not have criminal culpability,"... "




So, if your name starts with a J.....
What have you done @Jurd Jergusen!???
 
Espionage vs. murder of 168 people in a terrorist attack (the deadliest one committed at the time) is not exactly apples to apples. What is your point in the comparison??
My point is that both were traitors to their own country. We know how many people lost their lives because of McVeigh but the number of people who died directly or indirectly due to Hanssen's actions will never be known for sure. There was a time when traitors were in front of a firing squad before you could say, "Do you want a blindfold with that?"
 
They were both traitors,
" Treason is the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance."

So there's that in common.

And Hanssen:
"He was believed to have been partly responsible for the deaths of at least three Soviet officers who were working for U.S. intelligence and executed after being exposed."

Though his scope of knowledge was limited, there's no doubt costs that can't be calculated then, now or in the future. It's impossible to do so.

So there's lives lost because of them both.

I can see the correlation @Hermy made. The penalty for treason is supposed to be death.


ETA: just saw the response of @Hermy! What they posted, exactly.
The Soviets were executed with a shot to the back of the head.

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Felix Bloch


@Turd Fergusen
Were you aware that suspected traitor and spy Felix Bloch lives in Chapel Hill, North Carolina? Even drove a city bus for a time.
He's 87 now, so make haste if you want to have tea with him.
 
Ok, I get more of what you were trying to say but with McVey I never connotated that with treason. They both "attacked" their countries though in different ways, I guess.

I've read and seen quite a bit about ADX Florence (never seen it referred to as "ADMAX" as it was in this article) and a lengthy stay there might be quite a bit worse of a sentence than a quick firing squad death.
 
Ok, I get more of what you were trying to say but with McVey I never connotated that with treason. They both "attacked" their countries though in different ways, I guess.

I've read and seen quite a bit about ADX Florence (never seen it referred to as "ADMAX" as it was in this article) and a lengthy stay there might be quite a bit worse of a sentence than a quick firing squad death.
I agree that ADMAX is a crummy way to finish your time on Earth. I read somewhere that it is designed especially so that no prisoner has a global view of its layout, thereby considerably reducing the risk of escape.
 
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