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San Francisco Slammed for $5M a Year Program to Give Free Alcohol to the Homeless

Turd Fergusen

Turd Fergusen

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A program that offers free booze to the homeless alcoholics that roam San Francisco caught flak this week when a tech CEO questioned the logic of feeding the addictions of the city’s street dwellers.

Adam Nathan, founder and CEO of the small business AI marketing tool Blaze and the chair of the Salvation Army San Francisco Metro Advisory Board, posted a thread on X slamming the program after watching a string of unhoused drunks line up for their shots, stating it “just doesn’t feel right.”

“Did you know San Francisco spends $2 million a year on a “Managed Alcohol Program?” It provides free Alcohol to people struggling with chronic alcoholism who are mostly homeless,” Nathan wrote on the social media site.

His estimate was actually just 40% of the total cost — the four-year-old “managed alcohol program” actually costs the city $5 million a year, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

The program as described by the Chronicle sees nurses dispense “controlled doses” of vodka and beer to street people at specific times of the day. Intended to keep the homeless off the streets and out of jail or the emergency room, it’s run out of a former hotel in the city’s Tenderloin district.
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San Francisco slammed for $5M a year program to give free alcohol to the homeless: ‘This isn’t working’

San Francisco runs a “managed alcohol program” for its homeless where nurses dispense controlled doses of vodka and beer to them.
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Sejanus said:
The crumbling continues
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3% of a homeless population often costs more than the other 97% put together.

"City officials have previously said that just five residents who struggled with alcohol addiction had cost the city more than $4 million in ambulance transports over a five-year period, with as many as 2,000 ambulance transports during that time..."

This is a cost-savings move, combined with stabilizing the severe, don't-want-to-quit alcoholics.

There are 21 people who qualified to be in the program, booze isn't being handed out wily nily, and no drugs are being handed out except flipping methadone and narcan.

It's already saved the city half the programs cost in ambulance rides alone the first 6 months.

The beer taps are non functional btw, no kegs of beer.

It's a damn good idea.





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The 5 unit complex I lived in, worked with the city and an NGO's (Brilliant Corners) program and placed eight of Long Beach's worst offenders- the ones who abused city services the most- into 3 of those apartments.

(And we shared a fence with the soup kitchen/food bank/permanent small encampment next door.)

It was..these were difficult people. But it helped the city, and taxpayers, so, we all have to do our part I suppose.
Last I heard, 2 years ago, 5 were doing well, 2 were in and out of jail, kicked out of the program, and the last, I don't know.



ETA @Josh P
The customers of sex workers don't cost the city, (for the entire homeless population) $8M in ambulance rides annually. THAT'S the difference.
It's got rehab services attached to it, but as you can see, it's not about helping addicts so much.
The government does few things out of "niceness". It does stupid things though. ;)
 
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Blunderbuss Firozabad said:
The customers of sex workers don't cost the city, (for the entire homeless population) $8M in ambulance rides annually. THAT'S the difference.
It's got rehab services attached to it, but as you can see, it's not about helping addicts so much.
The government does few things out of "niceness". It does stupid things though. ;)
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It's California, if they get booze, the others should get blown.
 
Josh P said:
It's California, if they get booze, the others should get blown.
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You're a proponent of equity then!?


Right now it's insufferably unequal and unfair.

If everyone got shots of booze, drinker or not, that would be equality, but kind of unfair.

Booze or blowjobs would be giving them the specific items they need, equity.



You taught me so much today.
 
Sejanus said:
Why not give out free fentanyl to addicts?
Then let the problems of addiction sort themselves out.
Just think of the savings with people dead and no longer requiring services beyond cremation!
Enabling in an effort to save money is dangerously short sighted.
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These are people who don't have a rock bottom and they don't want to quit drinking, and therefore, won't stop drinking.

That's a hard truth, a hard concept for people to understand.

These are the drinkers who are homeless, friend- and family-less, all ready probably have liver failure or are on their way, suffering that discomfort, and have violence and hate directed towards them every day and they STILL haven't hit the magical "Rock bottom".

It's why some people drink after being informed they're at stage 1 alcohol related liver failure and eventually die ( though most people don't find out until it's far too late, if at all)

So, in this country of individual rights and collective stewardship of each other thru limited tax dollars (the money saved on the unnecessary ER trips and the police hours caused by responding to issues from these few people could be spent helping people who want and need help with their addictions. People have to WAIT for a bed in a publicly funded rehabilitation center.) what should be done?

They are going to drink and cause chaos? or
They are going to drink and not cause chaos?

We're not just talking about saving money, we're talking about resources that are finite and something else having to give in order for these people to be cared for, someone else neglected or having to wait.
With these needs absent, resources can be utilized more efficiently.

Public safety is another cost.
 
Josh P said:
Good idea, they could also use it for the inmates on death row. Stuff does a good job.
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They already have executed people on death row using Fentanyl

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Give away free fentanyl?
It's all to common to believe solutions would be applied blindly and therefore aid, abet and encourage addictions.
But that's not how it would work


Needle exchanges are a public health issue

For free fentanyl, that sort of thing would only apply to people who overdose once a month and require emergency responders and hospital visits, for example.


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@Josh P , still don't see how men going without blowjobs are a menace to society or cost the taxpayer money? Or a matter of public safety or health?
How will that have an impact on society? Or that we're withdrawing a harm that threatens us all or adding a benefit for society as a whole?


You may as well say give gambling addicts free chips and lottery tickets to be fair to the ones receiving blowjobs and booze. That cost is going to lower the quality of your blowjob!!*

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And then you have those without harmful addictions, they should get something also!
Should they give something up that they like to balance it out and then get a prize? Or just get it because nothing is fair if they don't benefit?

But if others don't benefit from everything they get from the government, like maybe a tax break that amounts to a home down payment for another, that's different? Then it's "They want free handouts"...

People earn their alcoholic, fatalistic, dystopian lives.
People earn their ability to need/receive/generate a significant tax break.

Everything is earned. Earnings aren't necessarily positive or desired, avoidable or constructive.



*blowjobs. Lolol
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Satanica said:
Right now I’m imagining a mile wide hoard of homeless alcoholics stumbling across the US toward their promised land like zombies.
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Leaving Las Vegas.


That is the beauty of a local drunk vagrant. They don't have the means to move much further than a 9 block radius and they don't want to take a chance of running out of booze on the way there. So they stay evenly spread amongst communities.

San Francisco is not the first city in the U.S. to do this, not by a long shot, and Canada has been doing it for quite some time and I wouldn't be surprised if there were other programs similar in other nations.
It's a pilot program in SF right now, if it doesn't work they won't do it anymore.
And they DO offer rehab care available


People haven't changed, only cities are bigger and provide for a smidge more anonymity, faster and more available information and travel.


But I LOVE that visual of yours !!
Would it be horror or comedy?
 
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Blunderbuss Firozabad said:
You may as well say give gambling addicts free chips and lottery tickets to be fair to the ones receiving blowjobs and booze. That cost is going to lower the quality of your blowjob!!*
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As I said, It's California. They do stupid crap, then need to raise taxes to do more stupid crap. This quote is spot on and anyone getting a state subsidized blowjob has no grounds to bitch about the quality of it. If it really got that bad, there would be riots.
 
Canada has indeed been doing it in some areas dating back to 2010.
Most Canadians remain unaware of it.

There have been reports of measured successes although the sample number of participants reporting back with followup is tiny at best.
In most cases barely scraping double digits.
Also a startling lack of data on numbers involved in programs taking use or the beer and wine but not improving.

The biggest shocker has been reports that participants reporting having a large increase in free time and suffering boredom from not having to chase for booze.
 
Exodus said:
Turns out the program ran for 4 years roughly $20 million, the kicker 55 participants.... Yeah... Anyone involved provide evidence of where all that money went?
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Probably administrative fees which means someone is living nice off that money, while those homeless alcoholics got Walgreens wine in a box grade stuff to drink.
 
Turd Fergusen said:
$364k per alcoholic, or $91k per person, per year. $250 per person, per day! To combat these guys scraping together enough to get pint or two of rotgut a day?? Holy Shit!
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Those numbers aren't accurate. Tldr meant it.

So.
What's a better way to handle things? Seems no one is in favor of managing costs or helping people or just leaving them alone, so, realistically, what?

Round them up to the edge of a quarry, shoot them in the back of the head and kick them into a mass grave?
 
Blunderbuss Firozabad said:
Those numbers aren't accurate. Tldr meant it.

So.
What's a better way to handle things? Seems no one is in favor of managing costs or helping people or just leaving them alone, so, realistically, what?

Round them up to the edge of a quarry, shoot them in the back of the head and kick them into a mass grave?
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I'm all for the city or state offering programs to help those in need. What I don't like is when people take advantage of those programs.
 
To much corruption and pocket stuffing in everything the government does. Seems the government can spend ten times more of our tax dollars than necessary, always stuffing their pockets and pockets of friends. Let's build a 30k public bathroom for 400k, let's fill that $100 pothole for $1,000. Let's have multiple committees of donors at several hundred thousand a year to decide where to spend that $1,000, let's spend a million dollars to buy and distribute $1,000 worth of booze
After public outcry the 1.7 million bathroom got built for $200k, but shows how the government operates behind the peoples back, all bribes and kickbacks
That's how politicians make a few hundred thousand a year and end up being worth 100s of millions after a few years in politics

Uneaten and Trashed: How New York Wasted 5,000 Migrant Meals in One Day​

New York City is paying tens of thousands of dollars a month for meals that are supposed to go to feed migrants but instead are never eaten and are thrown away, according to internal company records reviewed by The New York Times.

The meals are provided by DocGo, a medical services company that won a no-bid, $432 million contract from the city to provide broad migrant care, despite having had no experience in doing so.

San Francisco public toilet once priced at $1.7M opens to fanfare, relief for lowered cost​

People in San Francisco's Noe Valley neighborhood celebrated the opening of a public toilet on Sunday that made headlines for its $1.7 million estimated cost before eventually being built for much less.

About 100 people packed Noe Valley Town Square to celebrate a brand-new bathroom that drew international mockery in 2022 for the astronomical price tag. The public outcry forced the city to flush that idea down the toilet.

NYC Mayor Eric Adams DEFENDS $53 million pre-paid food card handouts to migrants and claims the $1,000-a-month cards will help taxpayers because city will 'save money on delivery'​


In October 2023, Illinois announced that it would provide $9,000 in rental assistance to migrants seeking temporary housing for six months. The Chicago City Council has also approved $70 million for migrant food and housing

Mayor Adams Loses Emergency Power to Spend Freely on Migrants​

The New York City comptroller, Brad Lander, revoked the mayor’s blanket ability to enter city contracts to house and care for migrants.
New York.

But Mr. Lander had warned in Septemberthat he might rein in Mr. Adams’s authority, and withdraw his office’s blanket “prior approval” of emergency contracts. He cited reporting by The New York Times and others about the city’s dealings with a migrant services contractor, DocGo, whose $432 million no-bid contract has been marked by scandal.
 
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