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A nightclub in Sydney, Australia has banned staring unless the person doing the staring gets the prior consent of the person they are staring at to continue staring.

A failure to do so could result in the police being called.

It also discouraged people from coming if their “sole purpose” was to meet someone to “pick up”.

Club 77 in Darlinghurst, in Sydney’s inner east, gave staring as an example of an action that would be in contravention of its new safety and harassment policy.

In an Instagram post from earlier this month, the club said “safety officers” in pink vests would enforce the staring rules.

Staring and picking up

Club 77 said it wanted to remain a “safe space” and so had updated its rules because it had recently, “attracted some people who do not share our values and ethics when it comes to club culture”.

“Creating a safe space goes beyond implementing practices to deal with incidents after they have happened.

“We also have an obligation to educate new club-goers and help them understand what is considered unacceptable behaviour inside the venue and on the dance floor.”

In its policy the venue stated that “Club 77 is not a place to come to if your sole purpose is to ‘pick up’”.

It added that if, “you do come in and are approaching multiple people or giving unwanted attention to someone, you are going to attract the attention of our security, who have been instructed to stop this kind of behaviour”.

The venue’s policy, first reported by the Daily Telegraph, said it encouraged people to “interact with strangers” but “any engagement MUST begin with verbal consent”.

Staring was highlighted as one form of harassment.

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This is far-left, invasive big government in action, manifesting itself and planting its seed in a nightclub.

Before I start this post, I fully recognize that men's experiences differ from that of women's. I fully respect that many women do not feel as safe walking alone at night as men do; and that women are held back in life in ways that are unique to themselves in comparison to their male equivalents. The world we live in is not fair, and we need to do anything possible to make it more fair from this standpoint, but Club 77 has the absolute wrong approach to doing such a thing, and may likely exacerbate this and other forms of unfairness.

People are going to look at other people if they exist in the same space as them no matter what. It is going to happen. People notice each other, especially in crowded areas. Someone is going to stick out for some reason. Sometimes it is a shirt or other clothing with a funny message, or a catchy cultural reference. Sometimes it is a midriff-bearing shirt that reveals a killer six-pack. Sometimes it is a neat hat. Sometimes it is a distinctive facial feature, or maybe a tattoo sleeve.

People are going to stare at things and other people that stick out to them, and it is basic human behavior. Trying to litigate that and assuming that there are bad intentions everywhere will only make the problem worse. Because there are times where, when you assume someone else has bad intent, all you end up doing is revealing your own bad intentions on an otherwise benign situation or decent individual doing nothing wrong [or wrong enough to justify such a reaction]. I think that is what this club is willfully choosing to risk, all in the name of "safe spaces" and "protecting women"! Defenders of women's purity and inviolability in public! So heroically paternalistic of them!

It appears that Club 77 has so little trust in its patrons, that they give the customer the onus of having to constantly narrate all their intentions, and perhaps even their internal monologue, all the time. And in order for someone to consent to being "stared at", one person will have to approach the other and ask, "Hi. Do you mind if I stare at you for a few seconds?" Is that a sane way for anyone to approach anyone?!?! Is that what Club 77 wants? Because that, to me at least, comes off as just another boorish and empty pick-up line.

I know that there are wrong ways for men to stare at women. For example, I wear glasses. If I see a woman walking past my current position, and I consider that woman attractive/pretty or otherwise visually distinctive, what I will do is duly visually note that such a person exists in my present sphere, but otherwise continue whatever I am doing. If she lingers around, maybe I will talk to her, maybe not, maybe ask a glib, "Hi, how are you?"; depends on the context, but I will respect if she needs to go about her day. One thing I will not do is, as she is walking away from my position, continue to exert a lingering stare, and emphasize such by pulling my glasses down the bridge of my nose, and opening my mouth in a "Dayyum girl!" type of fashion.

Also, I will keep my "eyes up here", if you catch my gist. If I want to stare endlessly at two or more peaks at a higher elevation, then I'll go camping in the mountains. And I can do that anytime I want.

To conclude, I will insert what I believe to be a perfect meme that addresses the moral chauvinism and signaled virtue inherent to the proclamations of conduct while within Club 77.

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Good luck staying open.

iu
 
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This is far-left, invasive big government in action, manifesting itself and planting its seed in a nightclub.

Before I start this post, I fully recognize that men's experiences differ from that of women's. I fully respect that many women do not feel as safe walking alone at night as men do; and that women are held back in life in ways that are unique to themselves in comparison to their male equivalents. The world we live in is not fair, and we need to do anything possible to make it more fair from this standpoint, but Club 77 has the absolute wrong approach to doing such a thing, and may likely exacerbate this and other forms of unfairness.

People are going to look at other people if they exist in the same space as them no matter what. It is going to happen. People notice each other, especially in crowded areas. Someone is going to stick out for some reason. Sometimes it is a shirt or other clothing with a funny message, or a catchy cultural reference. Sometimes it is a midriff-bearing shirt that reveals a killer six-pack. Sometimes it is a neat hat. Sometimes it is a distinctive facial feature, or maybe a tattoo sleeve.

People are going to stare at things and other people that stick out to them, and it is basic human behavior. Trying to litigate that and assuming that there are bad intentions everywhere will only make the problem worse. Because there are times where, when you assume someone else has bad intent, all you end up doing is revealing your own bad intentions on an otherwise benign situation or decent individual doing nothing wrong (enough to justify such a reaction). I think that is what this club is willfully choosing to risk, all in the name of "safe spaces" and "protecting women"! Defenders of women's purity and inviolability in public! So heroically paternalistic of them!

It appears that Club 77 has so little trust in its patrons, that they give the customer the onus of having to constantly narrate all their intentions, and perhaps even their internal monologue, all the time. And in order for someone to consent to being "stared at", one person will have to approach the other and ask, "Hi. Do you mind if I stare at you for a few seconds?" Is that a sane way for anyone to approach anyone?!?! Is that what Club 77 wants? Because that, to me at least, comes off as just another boorish and empty pick-up line.

I know that there are wrong ways for men to stare at women. For example, I wear glasses. If I see a woman walking past my current position, and I consider that woman attractive/pretty or otherwise visually distinctive, what I will do is duly visually note that such a person exists in my present sphere, but otherwise continue whatever I am doing. If she lingers around, maybe I will talk to her, maybe not, maybe ask a glib, "Hi, how are you?"; depends on the context, but I will respect if she needs to go about her day. One thing I will not do is, as she is walking away from my position, continue to exert a lingering stare, and emphasize such by pulling my glasses down the bridge of my nose, and opening my mouth in a "Dayyum girl!" type of fashion.

Also, I will keep my "eyes up here", if you catch my gist. If I want to stare endlessly at two or more peaks at a higher elevation, then I'll go camping in the mountains. And I can do that anytime I want.

To conclude, I will insert what I believe to be a perfect meme that addresses the moral chauvinism and signaled virtue inherent to the proclamations of conduct while within Club 77.

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iu
Hey! I know exactly what you mean.

What be talking with a male friend and if a woman walked by, the eyes would open wide and that head would swivel like an owl... Made it difficult to hold a conversation.

Finally got his attention by telling him I was considering implants to hold his attention. Thought about it a sec and decided I really didn't want to talk to him that bad.

Would probably kill my chances with the ladies he was eyeballin' anyway.
 
So if I go to a club, I'm constantly looking around, I'm not comfortable and always expect something to happen, so I watch and hyper aware. This also translates into, I'm probably going to be staring at someone to determine their "threat" level to my colleagues (I know, I am such a fun person at a party)

Will this club prosecute it's own security team/bouncers for staring at someone? What about a patron that comes in with his own personal security?

What a ridiculous and over the top rule to create.
 
I really miss the days when as a young, virgin, gay, I was able to just go to a club and the only retaliation I faced was getting beaten up.

Now I can go to jail for that?! I know Australia is a police state straight from 1984 but are they really "stare" laws there? Sounds like the atrocities committed by gamers teabagging their teammates or people groping avatars in stupid Facebook games and others saying it's the same as real life assault.
 
What if someone just thinks you’re staring but you’re actually just zoning out?

What if you’re just looking around the room and happen to catch somebody’s gaze?


Now you’re just supposed to look at the floor?

Stupider
 
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