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Camren Gunther was arrested and charged with animal cruelty for a video in which he allegedly fed a cat to a snake.

The video shows a constrictor snake eating a small kitten. The snake's owner says they were out of town when it happened and found the video on social media. Animals in that home, including the snake, were taken and re-homed with the help of Pound Buddies.
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Ohhhhh there's more to this turd than just this. October, 2019:

CADILLAC — A 20-year-old Cadillac man faces larceny and receiving and concealing stolen property charges after his recent arraignment in 84th District Court. Cameron Michael Gunther was charged with one felony count of larceny of firearms for his connection with an incident on or between Sept. 19-Sept. 20 in Clam Lake Township. A habitual offender second offense was added to the charge.

https://www.newsbreak.com/michigan/merritt-township/daily-news/2019/10/02 down the page a bit, I cannot view the link out because the web server god has declared USA = good / EU = bad. The picture on this page is an obvious match.

Betcha this is a worthless one who is headed for a life of burglarizing ppls houses and shit.

The stories I'm finding read like this turd may not have even been the owner of the snake but I cannot tell for sure. Shitty turn of events for someone if the loser got someone else's snake taken by the authorities, huh.

Here's another one, there is an instagram, but "private".
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Ohhhhh there's more to this turd than just this. October, 2019:



https://www.newsbreak.com/michigan/merritt-township/daily-news/2019/10/02 down the page a bit, I cannot view the link out because the web server god has declared USA = good / EU = bad. The picture on this page is an obvious match.

Betcha this is a worthless one who is headed for a life of burglarizing ppls houses and shit.

The stories I'm finding read like this turd may not have even been the owner of the snake but I cannot tell for sure. Shitty turn of events for someone if the loser got someone else's snake taken by the authorities, huh.

Here's another one, there is an instagram, but "private".
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I think I found one of his other mugshots: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ec/83/0a/ec830a6dd232cf6ac2da0377d290fdeb.jpg
 
Camren/Cameron/Camera/Camero/Cadillac/whatever-the-hell-his-first-name-is Gunther is a scumbag. He has a highly punchable face too, helping in his ability to be hated by decent, hard-working types.

With that said, I happen to, very coincidentally, be listening to Swedish Eurotrash pop musician Gunther right now, specifically "Ding Dong Song". I do not think I'll post the song here; I am not sure I want to force that onto the good people at Dreamin' Demon.
 
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I’ve seen better heads on boils! Jesus, didn’t any of these dum dums hear of the internationally sensational movie “Don’t Fuck With Cats”? It was a thing, ya know! He and that weirdo bitch that we heard was “only studying taxidermy” (I don’t care to look her up actually) You’re not smart, you’re not good looking, you’re not rich. You’re just a psychopath. Not even a good one. You aren’t going to escape the wrath of rabid internet sleuths. Just stop!
 
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Cameron Michael Gunther was charged with one felony count of larceny of firearms for his connection with an incident on or between Sept. 19-Sept. 20 in Clam Lake Township. A habitual offender second offense was added to the charge.

If convicted, he faces up to 7.5 years in prison and/or $3,750 in fines and fees.
He also was charged with one misdemeanor charge of receiving and concealing stolen property $200 or more but less than $1,000, including cell phone charger, gift cards, shoes.
A $25,000 cash or surety bond was issued by the court for the larceny charge and a probable cause conference was scheduled for 10 a.m. on Oct. 8.
2019
Cameron Guenther, 21, Sioux Falls, was arrested Tuesday for possession with intent to distribute marijuana (1 lb. or more); possession of marijuana (1-10 lbs.); commission of a felony while armed; possession of drug paraphernalia; contributing to the delinquency, CHINS or A/N of a minor; ingesting or inhaling a substance to become intoxicated; and on a warrant for breach of conditions.
2019
The two decided to leave Fryn' Pan. As they were walking through the parking lot, the man tried to drive the car at a "high rate of speed" at the couple. They were not injured.
Cameron Lee Guenther, 18, is facing two counts of aggravated assault, Clemens said.
 
Picture of weirdo with dead roadkill in mouth
What a whack job. Don't have to eat roadkill to make the point that ur not a vegan, just get a fucking big mac and chow away!

Or hmm I wonder if he's a vegan trying to be disgusting.

mm now i want a big mac, help

edit: found him, the shirt says "Veganism is Malnutrition", he was doing this to more or less harass vegans outside of a vegan-focused shop. Sort-of an extremist raw-meat-eating dude. What a tard. Cooking was an important part of our development as a species, I guess he and those like him would prefer to devolve.

 
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I just saw a woman defending him on fb she was saying well, snakes have to eat too what’s the difference between a tiny baby mouse and a kitten really?! I lost my shit.

One difference that I'm familiar with firsthand is the store-bought mice do not recognize the danger so they feel no fear in anticipation. My son caught a wild rat snake once and we kept it for awhile. The last mouse we bought for it was curled up next to the predator when I checked the tank. Poor little dude was clearly clueless.
 
One difference that I'm familiar with firsthand is the store-bought mice do not recognize the danger so they feel no fear in anticipation. My son caught a wild rat snake once and we kept it for awhile. The last mouse we bought for it was curled up next to the predator when I checked the tank. Poor little dude was clearly clueless.
For the snake to be big enough to eat a kitten it would probably in the stages where it eats rats or baby bunnies. The problem for me exists in the fact that there are reputable breeders for feeder animals.
@Gawker I get it, I love kittens too, but really what is the difference? No animal is prepared to be hunted and eaten by a snake. Most snake owners also do not like their animals to eat live food because it can alter their personality making them more aggressive when being handled. There are various methods of dispatching small animals for snakes to eat but I can tell you none of them are fun for the human. At the end of the day though, it was a kitten or a baby bunny or a rat and the only difference between them is human perception.
 
One difference that I'm familiar with firsthand is the store-bought mice do not recognize the danger so they feel no fear in anticipation. My son caught a wild rat snake once and we kept it for awhile. The last mouse we bought for it was curled up next to the predator when I checked the tank. Poor little dude was clearly clueless.
That’s good to know. I don’t think I realized that before. My niece (she’s 9) has a big snake. I’ve seen her do the feeding. ONCE. It was fairly non traumatic for the mouse, I guess. Probably never even knew. “The circle of life” and all that. I get it. I felt weak and dizzy and wanted to lay down. Lol. But this lady was like sure, a kitten is just fine. Plus, the guy recording it to profit from other people’s animal abuse fetish adds another dimension of creep.
 
Kittens as snake food is just not cool. Especially for the snake, you are altering their diet and that can cause all kinds of imbalances in a captive bred animal. I purchase frozen feeders for my snakes, so I know the husbandry of the feeders, I can be certain they are free from contaminants, and such. They are specifically raised as food, and regulated as such.
Now kitties in general, would most likely find this experience a bit on the wild side, and would prefer to just shit in this mans hair! I love both my snakes and my kitties!
 
I dont understand why hes facing charges. Was it someone elses cat?

People feed mice to their snakes all the time. That's perfectly acceptable and badass to watch. But a gross lame kitten isn't?

The world is overrun with cats/kittens.
 
I dont understand why hes facing charges. Was it someone elses cat?

People feed mice to their snakes all the time. That's perfectly acceptable and badass to watch. But a gross lame kitten isn't?

There's laws that separate out pet animals into a different category than certain other animals. Basically, there is a different standard of care for a cow or a mouse than with a cat or dog.
 
There's laws that separate out pet animals into a different category than certain other animals. Basically, there is a different standard of care for a cow or a mouse than with a cat or dog.

It makes logical sense for a valuable animal like a cow or dog to be separated from rodents or junk like cats. But a cat is a fucking cat, fuck em. I see no reason for them to be viewed as something requiring stricter care than a rodent.
 
It makes logical sense for a valuable animal like a cow or dog to be separated from rodents or junk like cats. But a cat is a fucking cat, fuck em. I see no reason for them to be viewed as something requiring stricter care than a rodent.

I'm just quoting how these laws work, it has to do with pet status vs. livestock status.
 
Following his arrest in August 2020, Camren Gunther pleaded guilty to the felony charge of killing or torturing an animal.
  • Jail Time: He was sentenced to four months in the Muskegon County Jail.
  • Probation: He received two years of probation.
  • Future Animal Ownership: As part of his sentence, he is prohibited from owning or possessing any animals during the two-year probationary period.
 
Okay, I missed this the first time around. I'm conflicted. He got time for "killing or torturing an animal" - did he torture the kitten and I missed that? If he just fed the snake, then objectively what is the difference between feeding the snake a kitten or a baby bunny?

Now, don't come for me. I love cats. We have two very spoiled cats. We've always had cats. Cats are awesome.

There is also an unhealthy overabundance of feral cats. These feral cats wipe out whole species (see Australia's songbirds). "But Elm, we're not in Australia!" I know, but such things could, would, and have happened in the US, it's just that we have a heck of a lot more land and aren't isolated by oceans. Feral cats also spread diseases like Feline HIV through populations, which then infect people's indoor-outdoor pets. The world could use fewer feral cats and more responsible pet owners who spay and neuter.

My grandparents raised/owned the largest boa constrictor in captivity in North America (there may have been larger since her, but in the 80s she was IT). My Poppy also had a heart condition that required he eat "lean meat," and at that time it meant "wild meat" - think venison, rabbit, and squirrel. So grandparents raised rabbits, rats, and mice for the snakes. I didn't grow up seeing rabbits, rats, and mice as pets, though they are all popular pets. There was a lab nearby that also sold their "overstock" to my grandparents for snake chow, but specifically NOT human consumption.

Guinea pigs were another matter. Poppy once bought a whole crate of guinea pigs at a livestock auction, and I cried. I and all my cousins ended up with pet guinea pigs! Snakes got 0.

And he never, ever, would have fed the snakes a kitten. You don't feed your snakes predators that could cause them serious injury. Cats have claws and teeth that can tear up a snake BAD. Heck, we had to stun the feed animals (and it was terrible) so they wouldn't scratch or bite. If the snake wasn't in the mood to hunt, the feed would recover, and then we'd have to retrieve it from the enclosure, which was a whole other mess.

Some pets eat other animals. With dogs and cats, we sanitize it by turning those other animals into kibble (but we all know cats will hunt, kill, and eat critters anyway, no matter how much kibble they have). Snakes don't do kibble. They have to have their critters fresh and warm (for the most part, some rare ones will eat thawed). They're not domesticated. They're wild animals we keep in cages to admire and feel badass because we're the bigger predator. They don't love us - they don't have the capacity, unlike cats and dogs.

And all this to say: if all he did was feed the snake, it was stupid because a kitten could have hurt the snake, but it's really no different, morally, than a rabbit.
 

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