lithiumgirl
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Yeah .. .you'd think as an "American" ... he''d get that right !!! jokes ... ha!
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Yeah .. .you'd think as an "American" ... he''d get that right !!! jokes ... ha!
Jellybean1711
Active Member
What is the truth? The fact that only the US has these school shooting is the truth and people delude themselves that the easy availability of guns have nothing to do with it.
Jellybean1711
Active Member
I can't imagine why? Other countries have bad parents and mental illness.
It was late and i was tired.
Or was i making a satirical point about how much importance all these gun nut southern conservative types place on their gun rights?
Since i refuse to ever admit fault, we'll go with the latter.
Rational people know guns have something to do with it, but we have the 2nd amendment. This kid used legally purchased guns by a (presumably) sane adult. No laws would have prevented it. Even if guns were outlawed, this kid would have used another type of weapon. This guy used a shotgun and a .38 for god's sake.
People focus way too much attention on the type of weapon a kid uses to kill classmates rather than the reason why he wanted to kill classmates. But by all means, let's keep whining about evil guns and how they should be removed from responsible gun owners. That'll surely fix the issue.
Jellybean1711
Active Member
But, why don't kids in other countries find other ways of doing it if they could do it some other way? Why don't kids in other countries need to kill classmates. Actually, I think kids everywhere would do that if they could, but easy access to guns allows American kids to do it.
When are Americans going to to address the real cause of mass shootings? Oh no, it is mental illness, unfit parents, too many entrances to schools (cough, cough), not enough discipline (we have all seen the results of discipline here), not enough guns, and by far and away the best, it is a God given right. For Fucks sake.
I don't think this whole mess is attributable to any one thing alone. Not just guns. Not just mental illness. Not poor parenting, or violent video games, or any other single reason. There is clearly something wrong with America and American youth (particularly teen boys and young men) that these mass killings happen here and pretty much only here, and the rate just keeps increasing. We have to figure out WHY, or we will never be able to stop it. While some sensible changes to gun laws seem reasonable to me, that alone will not fix this problem.
If we better regulated gun ownership, some significant barriers could have been put in place. May not have prevented it, but would have made it harder and who knows, could have led to him being caught or found out prior.
For example, i believe every gun owner should have to do some manner of annual(or preferably monthly) registration or check in with law enforcement. Law enforcement should be required to check in and do spot checks inside the homes and lives of people who own firearms again, at least annually. These should be spur of the moment/spontaneous. Such things could have revealed that this shithead dad didnt keep his guns locked up, didnt keep a minor child in the home from having access.
I also think such infractions, however seemingly minor, should result in gun rights being taken away from said individual on the spot. Lengthy suspensions or outright banning on the individual would make a lot of sense.
There are ways to mitigate some of this stuff and at least attempt to curb the violence. The problem is nobody gives a shit or wants to do anything about it. Disgusting.
Shouldnt have a 2nd amendment if as a society we cant responsibly implement it. And AMerica has shown yet again that it for a fact absolutely can not.
They do. There's been Canadian school shootings, krauts have had some for sure as well. You hit google for a while and i guarantee youll find stabbings from all over the fucking world perpetrated by students.
I dont even understand what the fuck youre saying here or asking for. You dont think America is putting any effort into discovering the cause of mass shootings in a general sense? Have you ever heard of criminology/criminologists? There is an entire area of study in the world of academia dedicated to stuff like this. People do research, people study shit, people write scholarly papers, people engage and try to come up with answers. This isnt something society has just said, "well shit, ah well!" about.
And you might as well whine about how AMerica isnt seeking to solve crime in general. The answers to this question are so fucking broad and varied, you yourself said it here.
And in situations like this where the scumbag is simply a sociopathic asshole who has never shown any blazing indicators of potential for this type of violence, there really isnt much anyone can do(except a parent who owns guns of course). This guy targeted that specific classroom at that time because some girl had been turning down his advances for weeks. This wasnt some mentally ill or troubled child, this wasnt some idiot with terrorism on the mind or obsessed with any specific cause, this was just some asshole who thought, "how dare this bitch turn ME down! I should be allowed to do whatever the fuck i want with her!" and so he went on a homicidal rampage. Typical.
Keep in mind America, that right now odds are excellent another kid is plotting his own killing spree.
Kids going about their lives who will be mowed down in school for no good reason other than some prick was angry, or made fun of, or got turned down by a romantic interest.
Sitting in his room beating off to how powerful he is about to be and how he will show "them".
Smiling thinking "everyone will know me then".
He will be white,
a loner,
deeply confused in what he idolizes (Nazi's, Communists, GOP, NRA, Carebears, My Little Pony, et al.)
fascinated by firearms/weapons in general,
come from a home of conflicting values,
has a lot of rage while feeling powerless.
has voiced threatsthat were not taken seriously,
it is the kid next door no one ever sees out.
Fortunately I am not living in America and as a Canadian I don't have to really worry over it as it does not affect me.
As for the ones it does affect, there seems to be no motivation in politicians to create intelligent substantive changes that the public want.
Too much voice is given to a fringe lobby group with cultish tendencies that fetishizes firearms and has meager membership.
Good luck with that!
Kids going about their lives who will be mowed down in school for no good reason other than some prick was angry, or made fun of, or got turned down by a romantic interest.
Sitting in his room beating off to how powerful he is about to be and how he will show "them".
Smiling thinking "everyone will know me then".
He will be white,
a loner,
deeply confused in what he idolizes (Nazi's, Communists, GOP, NRA, Carebears, My Little Pony, et al.)
fascinated by firearms/weapons in general,
come from a home of conflicting values,
has a lot of rage while feeling powerless.
has voiced threatsthat were not taken seriously,
it is the kid next door no one ever sees out.
Fortunately I am not living in America and as a Canadian I don't have to really worry over it as it does not affect me.
As for the ones it does affect, there seems to be no motivation in politicians to create intelligent substantive changes that the public want.
Too much voice is given to a fringe lobby group with cultish tendencies that fetishizes firearms and has meager membership.
Good luck with that!
myra manes
Veteran Member
BRAVO! :hug:
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
this is why he should be strug up publicly, I don't care the excuses made for people like this. And yes sen is right with one exception in Washington with a kid that freaked on his cousing & ex girlfriend [which were the only to with himself killed] every single one of these have been white middle class kids male or female shooters
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...man-sang-One-Bites-Dust-time-shot-victim.html
The Texas school shooter allegedly played a Japanese World War II military anthem, yelled 'Woo-hoo!' and sang the Queen hit 'Another One Bites The Dust' in his rampage that left 10 dead and another 13 wounded.
Details of Dimitrios Pagourtzis's chilling attack are coming out days after he killed eight students and two teachers at Santa Fe High School.
Sophomore Kole Dixon told The New York Post that 17-year-old Pagourtizis purposely terrorized the students and teachers that he went after.
more at link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...man-sang-One-Bites-Dust-time-shot-victim.html
The Texas school shooter allegedly played a Japanese World War II military anthem, yelled 'Woo-hoo!' and sang the Queen hit 'Another One Bites The Dust' in his rampage that left 10 dead and another 13 wounded.
Details of Dimitrios Pagourtzis's chilling attack are coming out days after he killed eight students and two teachers at Santa Fe High School.
Sophomore Kole Dixon told The New York Post that 17-year-old Pagourtizis purposely terrorized the students and teachers that he went after.
more at link
~ @Sejanus ~ I think you have it exactly. Politicians are loath to call for change when they live so deeply in NRA pockets.
Washington may be stuck when it comes to moving the needle on gun reform even as the nations voice calling for it grows exponentially. Our Politian's would serve themselves and their constituents best by heeding them with recognition that the old rules no longer apply.
Once we were overwhelmed by tragedies like the one at Santa Fe High School. Now, we are outraged.
Once we let elected officials off the hook. Now, we are demanding action.
Once we didn't back up those demands by voting. There is no better way to honor the victims of gun violence.
Washington may be stuck when it comes to moving the needle on gun reform even as the nations voice calling for it grows exponentially. Our Politian's would serve themselves and their constituents best by heeding them with recognition that the old rules no longer apply.
Once we were overwhelmed by tragedies like the one at Santa Fe High School. Now, we are outraged.
Once we let elected officials off the hook. Now, we are demanding action.
Once we didn't back up those demands by voting. There is no better way to honor the victims of gun violence.
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
latest: first victim of rampage had turned down chubbys aggressive advances according to her mother:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/texas-school-shooting-victim-turned-12568828
The Texas school shooting suspect had been spurned by the first of his victims after making aggressive advances, according
to her mum.
Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, is accused of killing eight students and two teachers at Sante Fe High School.
Sadie Rodriguez said her daughter Shana Fisher, 16, had endured four months of unwanted attention from him.
She said Shana finally stood up to Pagourtzis and embarrassed him in class before his killing spree.
Sadie added: “He kept making advances on her and she repeatedly told him no. He continued to get more aggressive.
“A week later, he opens fire on everyone he didn’t like – Shana being the first one.”
Sadie described her daughter as “shy and sweet”, with a passion for video games.
After the shooting, Sadie wrote on Facebook: “I will no longer get to see my baby, my firstborn.”
Police said Pagourtzis had confessed to the killings. Texas lieutenant governor Dan Patrick added: “In terms of any true motive, police are still investigating the journals that he’s written, looking through computers and telephones.”
Classmates described Pagourtzis as a quiet loner who played on the school’s football team.
It’s claimed he wore a black trench coat to school in the searing heat on Friday and opened fire with a pistol and shotgun after shouting: “Surprise!”
Witnesses said the shooter taunted his victims. He focused mostly on an arts classroom where Shana was working with other pupils.
Texas governor Jim Abbott said the suspect got guns from his father, who had probably acquired them legally.
Abbott added that Pagourtzis wanted to commit suicide but lacked courage to do so.
Pagourtzis’s family said they were “saddened, dismayed and as shocked as anyone else” by the massacre.
Yesterday, Pagourtzis was being held at a jail in Galveston. He appeared in court on Friday, charged with murder.
At least 10 people were injured in the shootings.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/texas-school-shooting-victim-turned-12568828
The Texas school shooting suspect had been spurned by the first of his victims after making aggressive advances, according
to her mum.
Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, is accused of killing eight students and two teachers at Sante Fe High School.
Sadie Rodriguez said her daughter Shana Fisher, 16, had endured four months of unwanted attention from him.
She said Shana finally stood up to Pagourtzis and embarrassed him in class before his killing spree.
Sadie added: “He kept making advances on her and she repeatedly told him no. He continued to get more aggressive.
“A week later, he opens fire on everyone he didn’t like – Shana being the first one.”
Sadie described her daughter as “shy and sweet”, with a passion for video games.
After the shooting, Sadie wrote on Facebook: “I will no longer get to see my baby, my firstborn.”
Police said Pagourtzis had confessed to the killings. Texas lieutenant governor Dan Patrick added: “In terms of any true motive, police are still investigating the journals that he’s written, looking through computers and telephones.”
Classmates described Pagourtzis as a quiet loner who played on the school’s football team.
It’s claimed he wore a black trench coat to school in the searing heat on Friday and opened fire with a pistol and shotgun after shouting: “Surprise!”
Witnesses said the shooter taunted his victims. He focused mostly on an arts classroom where Shana was working with other pupils.
Texas governor Jim Abbott said the suspect got guns from his father, who had probably acquired them legally.
Abbott added that Pagourtzis wanted to commit suicide but lacked courage to do so.
Pagourtzis’s family said they were “saddened, dismayed and as shocked as anyone else” by the massacre.
Yesterday, Pagourtzis was being held at a jail in Galveston. He appeared in court on Friday, charged with murder.
At least 10 people were injured in the shootings.
myra manes
Veteran Member
I agree, the reporting totally skews the numbers ..
However, it's still almost 2 intended school shootings per month ..
Sad and unacceptable ..
TheMorningStar
is a catcus
If this is only about bullying, I am left to wonder where the female shooters are.
David Webb
Active Member
Anytime a child dies it is a tragedy, including in the womb, but I don't think schools shootings are as concerning as other things. regardless of what the media and nwo snake oil politicians tell you.
here's just one example
in 2016 - seven people died in school shootings- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2015_to_present
while 263 teens (that's just teens) died in 2016 from distracted driving https://www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html
where is the outrage? the walkouts? all the dramatics, the rallies and protests? The emotional pleas from news commentators, and crying politicians for "common sense" reform? Because the mix of cell phones and driving among our teens is far more dangerous, and likely to take the lives of our kids than a school shooting is. So i ask, where is the outrage?
here's just one example
in 2016 - seven people died in school shootings- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2015_to_present
while 263 teens (that's just teens) died in 2016 from distracted driving https://www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html
where is the outrage? the walkouts? all the dramatics, the rallies and protests? The emotional pleas from news commentators, and crying politicians for "common sense" reform? Because the mix of cell phones and driving among our teens is far more dangerous, and likely to take the lives of our kids than a school shooting is. So i ask, where is the outrage?
Jellybean1711
Active Member
Yeah, not school shootings though.
David Webb
Active Member
And in 2016 there were over 200 kids aged 0-14 killed in drunk driving accidents. Far more dangerous than school shootings.
Again I ask- where is the outrage? The demand for the safety of our children? Where?
We are civilized nation - this shouldn't be happening.
Again I ask- where is the outrage? The demand for the safety of our children? Where?
We are civilized nation - this shouldn't be happening.
David Webb
Active Member
My point is that school shootings are horrible, but they are not the most dangerous things to our kids since pop rocks and soda but the media is pushing it as such, and that is because they are backing an agenda of a political party.
How come you know about an AK and no one else does?
CentreAussie
Trusted Member
Yeah man, right on. I'm not a firearm owner, but I believe here that if you have a licence to own guns that you become obliged to allow police into your home at anytime to check that you are in compliance with the applicable laws. Those being - All firearms are to be secured in a lockable container (ie safe, lockbox or locker), That firearms and ammunition are in separate lockable containers, no minors have access, that you are not in possession of firearms while intoxicated, while transporting firearms that they are secured in the boot (trunk) separate from the ammo etc, etc.... All common sense rules that were brought into being after the Port Arthur massacre. It seems that the extremists on the left and right in the U.S prevent common sense solutions to any of the problems that you have. I can't speak for everyone here, but I believe the USA to be the greatest nation on earth but you seem to be destroying yourselves from the inside. In my uninformed opinion there seems to be a lot of gun nuts that are jacking off to the fantasy that one day they will overthrow a tyrannical government and become the next revolutionary war heroes...
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Still not word on the investigation into the parents and whether they will be facing charges huh? Figures.
A gun loving state like Texas is likely not going to come hard at the poor, irresponsible gun owner father.
A gun loving state like Texas is likely not going to come hard at the poor, irresponsible gun owner father.
David Webb
Active Member
No where in our Constitution does it say a license is needed to own a firearm and is subject to inspection or approval of government oversight. Fuck that. Throughout history registration has proceeded confiscation. And why the fuck should the parents be held responsible? I grew up with guns in the house and didn't go shoot up a school. Most everyone i knew had guns in their house, and didn't go shoot up a school. That's the problem today- always blaming someone or something else. It's the culture today- kids are being pussified, with safe spaces and "feels". Maybe if they'd have taught him to be a man and stand up for himself, and that life isn't about feelings- maybe this wouldn't have happened.
If anything- every dirty hippie, non violence preaching liberal who teaches that fighting bullies isn't the answer should be held responsible for every school shooting.
If anything- every dirty hippie, non violence preaching liberal who teaches that fighting bullies isn't the answer should be held responsible for every school shooting.
All common sense rules alright, it also means that when you need it the most the gun is empty and locked up in one place and the bullets are locked up somewhere else. So what's the point of having it to use in your own defense? Are you going to say to the person who is knocking down your door, "hold on a second, gotta collect my gun parts, put it together so I can mount a defense?
I don't care one way or the other because it doesn't really affect me, but that common sense idiocy is just stupid. And also i just wanna throw this in here too, most all schools are gun free zones, so how has that helped?
David Webb
Active Member
There are so many things contributing to the behavior of kids today which result in these incidents, we as a society really need to extract our heads from our asses, and change our course of direction. The dirty, smelly, communist hippies that survived the 60's and became educators are just plain fucking wrong and we have to admit that.
Kids will be kids- they are going to fight with each other and be mean- you can't force them to all get along- but you can teach them how to deal with bullies, and other kids without making a goddamn federal case out of every "micro-aggression" they encounter - they need to learn to shake shit off too. Life is hard sometimes and it ain't fair. Get over it, and learn to deal with it. There are no safe spaces in real life. There is no fucking play doh after your 6 years old. The fetal position is not a legitimate response to anything.
Meds- stop prescribing psychotropic drugs to every kid with extra energy or imagination. treat them like labradors and run the hell out of them- This is one of the top problems. Lazy fucking parents can't deal with their kids so they medicate them. And big pharm with the governments help is all to happy to advocate for this.
Get them away from the TV, video games, tablets and outside- sports, activities, doing shit, hiking or whatever- see labrador above - and parents get off your asses and phones, and interact with them. Teach them how to build a lean-to , or plant a garden, and flowers. Get them involved in something besides a cyber world.
Stop the Medication, Social media , and teaching kids that everybody deserves their own rainbow colored unicorn , and you'll get things back on track.
Kids will be kids- they are going to fight with each other and be mean- you can't force them to all get along- but you can teach them how to deal with bullies, and other kids without making a goddamn federal case out of every "micro-aggression" they encounter - they need to learn to shake shit off too. Life is hard sometimes and it ain't fair. Get over it, and learn to deal with it. There are no safe spaces in real life. There is no fucking play doh after your 6 years old. The fetal position is not a legitimate response to anything.
Meds- stop prescribing psychotropic drugs to every kid with extra energy or imagination. treat them like labradors and run the hell out of them- This is one of the top problems. Lazy fucking parents can't deal with their kids so they medicate them. And big pharm with the governments help is all to happy to advocate for this.
Get them away from the TV, video games, tablets and outside- sports, activities, doing shit, hiking or whatever- see labrador above - and parents get off your asses and phones, and interact with them. Teach them how to build a lean-to , or plant a garden, and flowers. Get them involved in something besides a cyber world.
Stop the Medication, Social media , and teaching kids that everybody deserves their own rainbow colored unicorn , and you'll get things back on track.
David Webb
Active Member
People seem to forget that the constitution was written to LIMIT the power of government, not grant all encompassing power over every aspect of our lives- and only weak or subservient people would need or want that. DotGov is supposed to be controlled by us, not the other way around - but those encroaching MFs with the help of the communists McCarthy warned us about have definitely overstepped their bounds.
Jellybean1711
Active Member
Why should kids not being shot in schools, even be political?
Jellybean1711
Active Member
Communists? Get a grip.
