paintedred
Well-Known Member
As you know, there is no death penalty in the UK. We can debate the deterrent / punishment/ rehabilitation ideas of prison and sentences all day long, but I for one agree with the main point being -
The person who gets executed won't do that again.
And for the sort of crimes we see committed , I think that's the main problem sorted.
When British people talk about the USA and the death penalty, you rarely hear anyone say anything other than ' They don't fuck about in America, they've got the right idea, I wish we had that here'.
I see the argument against it though and understand it from a moral and humane perspective too.
But.
I know if my child was raped and murdered, or someone in my family killed cruelly , I could not rest knowing their murderer was alive somewhere, thinking about what they did and not giving a shit ..even getting off on it, for that's what many do - and prisons not nice but in the general scheme of things it's not so bad, you get food and shelter and don't pay any bills, its a lot less stress than working hard and raising children, struggling to keep a roof over your families heads. You get free healthcare and can take up an education, therapy etc - And I'm speaking as someone who's own Father did almost 10 years in jail when I was a child.
As hard as it was for him I reckon it was worse for us kids left behind in poverty and with a strung out Mother who moved a new penis in a year later. He had it easy , we got left behind in hell.
I don't think ANYTHING is a deterrent for the majority who will just do what they are going to do, regardless. I expect nobody stops themselves doing something by thinking ' I might get the death penalty for this' , same as the thought of going to jail doesn't stop most people. It's the nature of the beast. It might put some of us off doing things but only some. I imagine the most successful deterrent I know is in Thailand and such where you know what's going to happen to your arse if you dare to get caught smuggling drugs. Even with that people still do it.
I am a peaceful person in general, I don't enjoy the suffering of any living creature at all. But I would feel less for the execution of guilty people who commit the most evil abhorrent crimes ever , than I would for killing a fly and that's because there is no hope for them - It's for the best to save the community and others from suffering as these people have made others suffer. It's fair.
The person who gets executed won't do that again.
And for the sort of crimes we see committed , I think that's the main problem sorted.
When British people talk about the USA and the death penalty, you rarely hear anyone say anything other than ' They don't fuck about in America, they've got the right idea, I wish we had that here'.
I see the argument against it though and understand it from a moral and humane perspective too.
But.
I know if my child was raped and murdered, or someone in my family killed cruelly , I could not rest knowing their murderer was alive somewhere, thinking about what they did and not giving a shit ..even getting off on it, for that's what many do - and prisons not nice but in the general scheme of things it's not so bad, you get food and shelter and don't pay any bills, its a lot less stress than working hard and raising children, struggling to keep a roof over your families heads. You get free healthcare and can take up an education, therapy etc - And I'm speaking as someone who's own Father did almost 10 years in jail when I was a child.
As hard as it was for him I reckon it was worse for us kids left behind in poverty and with a strung out Mother who moved a new penis in a year later. He had it easy , we got left behind in hell.
I don't think ANYTHING is a deterrent for the majority who will just do what they are going to do, regardless. I expect nobody stops themselves doing something by thinking ' I might get the death penalty for this' , same as the thought of going to jail doesn't stop most people. It's the nature of the beast. It might put some of us off doing things but only some. I imagine the most successful deterrent I know is in Thailand and such where you know what's going to happen to your arse if you dare to get caught smuggling drugs. Even with that people still do it.
I am a peaceful person in general, I don't enjoy the suffering of any living creature at all. But I would feel less for the execution of guilty people who commit the most evil abhorrent crimes ever , than I would for killing a fly and that's because there is no hope for them - It's for the best to save the community and others from suffering as these people have made others suffer. It's fair.
I just get enraged with these stories because of it.
