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Craygor said:
Worrying about fucking "facts"? What kind of piece of shit attorney worries about a facts? Facts is crucial to justice. They only damn things attorneys need to worry about is that the rules are obeyed, a impartial jury is seated and that they possess the ability to try the case within the bounds of the law.
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. I think the defense goes through these motions to cover all bases so when the criminal comes back later with a time wasting appeal claiming the defense attorney didn't do enough , there is proof the attorney played the game to the end.
 
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Muriel Schwenck said:
. I think the defense goes through these motions to cover all bases so when the criminal comes back later with a time wasting appeal claiming the defense attorney didn't do enough , there is proof the attorney played the game to the end.
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Yeah but ... 12 years? . She also has a son and let other men molest him too, and that was before she ever met Fabian, and his fucked up cousin.
 
lithiumgirl said:
Yeah but ... 12 years? . She also has a son and let other men molest him too, and that was before she ever met Fabian, and his fucked up cousin.
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Lith, I was only commenting on a process a lawyer goes through to cover the bases. Could be burglary or heinous crime. The lawyer makes the same steps. One hopes this one is inwardly cringing.
 
Ok. My “search forums” doesn’t work and I don’t have time to go back and find it so if someone wants to merge or dupe or delete this, by all means...
I couldn’t find the most recent updates on this shit show so I apologize if it has already been posted. I don’t know what the hell is going on at this point but what I do know is I refuse to eat crow. Despite these developments, they are all a waist of oxygen on this planet and we are better off without people like this.

http://www.koat.com/article/fabian-gonzales-story-aligns-with-prosecutors-timeline/22077626

http://www.koat.com/article/16-male-dna-samples-gathered-in-victoria-martens-case/22077075
 
There is in fact a lengthy thread about the case. This sites search function is total junk though, so dont even bother searching prior to posting something, the mods will fix it if need be.

I hated to read it myself, and have my doubts as to whether this is a prosecutor merely trying to save face and get SOMETHING when his case got a little rough, or if these scumbags seriously didnt do all these horrible things, but given the new details it seems pretty concrete that the initial charges were shockingly overzealous.

I just want to know why it took so long to get to the bottom of all this. Were they sitting on this shit for a year and finally decided let's drop charges/make a deal/tell the media? Or did it seriously take them this long to crack some of this shit?

Quite alarming they had an unknown male child rapist roaming free from the getgo yet just now realized it thru this other male DNA.
 
JackBurton said:
There is in fact a lengthy thread about the case. This sites search function is total junk though, so dont even bother searching prior to posting something, the mods will fix it if need be.

I hated to read it myself, and have my doubts as to whether this is a prosecutor merely trying to save face and get SOMETHING when his case got a little rough, or if these scumbags seriously didnt do all these horrible things, but given the new details it seems pretty concrete that the initial charges were shockingly overzealous.

I just want to know why it took so long to get to the bottom of all this. Were they sitting on this shit for a year and finally decided let's drop charges/make a deal/tell the media? Or did it seriously take them this long to crack some of this shit?

Quite alarming they had an unknown male child rapist roaming free from the getgo yet just now realized it thru this other male DNA.
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Right???!!! What kind of shotty detective work is this? It’s not like 1980’s DNA. For crying out loud, you can get your genealogy going back to the start of mankind with a simple swab of the cheek in a matter of weeks.
Like you said, Overzealous seems to be the case but again, I refuse to eat crow on this one and it’s not because I’m stubborn. Well I am....but I can own my errors when I’m wrong. These people are sketchy af.
As for the search, I found it under the front page via @Morbid but nothing besides ‘crimes against children’ will recognize me as a user and shit if I can’t remember my password.
 
Craygor said:
Here's the original thread. I believe the best way to make a thread easier to search is to use the name of the victim or accused in the thread, the search function works pretty quickly if this is done and the search box that directs the search to looking in the thread title is selected.

http://dreamindemon.com/community/t...ld-victoria-martens-before-killing-her.85545/
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I used just about every name of every person involved in this forum and it just does nothing. No result, nada. Only front page worked but I’m not registering as a user. No mind....thanks @Craygor
 
this is one of the more bizarre twists I've seen in a case on here in a long time

the circumstances of the case are so enraging that i find myself not wanting to believe the new evidence.. a testament to how much emotions can get in the way of evaluating facts objectively. but it does seem that someone else is culpable for the rape

sounds like the stakes for Jessica Kelly just increased exponentially. my impression was that she was an outlier compared to Martins and Fabian, now looks like she's at the center of it. strange.
 
Also you can do Google searches for only this site (or any specific site of course}. On Google's main search or however you do googling, type something like this:

"Victoria Martens" site:dreamindemon.com/community

And this would show these results.

Just make sure there is no space between words or colon or url. The quotes around Victoria's name just make sure it's looking for the first & last name together.
 
Fuuuuuck Mom wasted TWO YEARS with her false confession?! Bet any leads to this unknown male are stone cold by now.
 
She’s guilty in my eyes (as is he), despite this update. Fucking get them off this already overpopulated earth. All of them..........
Except for Jessica Kelley. I want that one all to myself. I have plans for that one.
Every other person who matches up with the DNA found on that child, throw them to the masses. Let that shit sort itself out.
 
Olivia said:
Every other person who matches up with the DNA found on that child, throw them to the masses. Let that shit sort itself out.
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Who ever the mystery man is ... he's in big trouble.

You'd think Jessica Kelly would have dropped the dime on this guy ... but nope.

I think she was going to kill everyone in that house ... like why else would she wait until every one was sleeping before she set Victoria on fire,

and then wake them up with an iron to the face. They should upgrade her charges and ask for the death penalty,

She's a serious ride or die bitch for sure. And she would totally deserve it. Like just shoot her in the forehead already.
 
I wish I didn't think about this case, because it's so awful, but I do. I guess the shear depravity of it all and wanting to get justice for Victoria draws me in.

So let's pause and look at what we got.

The autopsy verified that she had indeed been raped a lot. So that part of the mom's story must be partially true, just not by Fabian (at least the night she died). Now there is DNA evidence that there was another man there that raped her that night and may or may not have been involved in her death. The autopsy also showed that she had in fact been given meth during all of this. Right in the middle of everything is Jessica Kelley. Any or all 4 of them could have directly been involved in her rape/death. On top of ALL of this is the fact that to actually convict any of them certain things have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to the court.

One would think that all 3 would be chomping at the bit to cop a plea deal regarding who the mystery 4th man was but none of them did. I have to wonder if they have interviewed the younger brother and what that may have yielded. I know early on it was implied that he too was abused with the consent of his mother. This just might be one of the oddest, worst cases I've come across on here....and that really says a lot.
 
DIAFplease said:
It still doesn't make a shit of sense. So, they weren't home at the time of death according to the phone records so why the fuck did Fabian say he fucked her dead body? Why were they there hours after her death? Wasn't it in the middle of the night when they set her on fire and smoke was pouring out and ugly bitch got hit in the face with something and Jessica jumped off the balcony? I mean, she was dead that entire time.

This makes no sense. None at all. They may not have done the actual murdering but they knew what was happening and sold her to someone for dope. She already had an STD at the time of death and because of their actions, she was brutally and violently murdered.

Fuck all of them. Fuck them to death and then mutilate their bodies and set them on fire.
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I agree. If anyone can summarize the story as it exists now, or comes across a good article that gives a thorough breakdown of exactly what the crime is officially thought to be and who is thought to be involved as it stands today, please share.

Given all the bizarre turns, it's hard to keep track of exactly what this crime actually entails(or is thought to entail by authorities).

You also gotta wonder what else might be false. Did she actually have an STD? Was she actually lit on fire or was there merely a fire at the apt, unrelated to a body hiding/evidence destroying move? Who the fuck knows at this point. I dont think i would trust any news article i read, not fully at least. What happens at this point is most stories you come across are going to use prior stories as sources for info, rather then actual no shit official facts and comments from the investigation/authorities. ANy inaccurate info is going to be cycled through again and again and again until something concrete and extensive is done.

Turd Fergusen said:
One would think that all 3 would be chomping at the bit to cop a plea deal regarding who the mystery 4th man was but none of them did. I have to wonder if they have interviewed the younger brother and what that may have yielded. I know early on it was implied that he too was abused with the consent of his mother. This just might be one of the oddest, worst cases I've come across on here....and that really says a lot.
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Perhaps this is why it took so long for this sweet deal to have been made, and for the news to break that the suspects supposedly actually werent involved(or as involved) as we were initially led to believe. Gotta wonder if authorities knew of this other male the entire time, that they knew the accused werent there at the time of death the whole time, but kept it quiet in order to try and scare them into spilling the beans on other folks involved. That could be the case, and would explain how bizarre the seemingly sudden(after 2 fucking years) change in the story is.

They only dropped/altered the charges after it became clear the scumbags either didnt know anything or def werent going to talk.

Def among the oddest stories/cases that can be found on this forum.
 
They should all be afforded the same as Victoria got, all the twists and turns in the story are confusing. But I think if their name is involved anywhere in the case, they are guilty and should get the death penalty. That poor little girl. How could a group of people do some shit like this to a child is beyond me. Meth madness
 
Wow what in the fuck? They need to fire some folks high up on the food chain. From the above article...

"He also said that, while evidence had been collected, not a lot of follow-up testing was done — in part because everyone believed her admissions."

This is almost as shocking as the crime itself. How many times does a suspect change their story after an initial confession? They were just going to fully trust she was not only telling the truth, but that she would continue to do so even on a witness stand during the trial!?? How stupid are these fucking idiots? One of the most horrific and high profile cases in that citys history and they dont bother to run thorough evidence/DNA/etc testing!????

My GOD and now a child rapist and murderer has been out on the streets for 2 fucking years, free to do whatever, with cops not even knowing he even fucking existed!!!!

Not to mention, it also means Jessica Kelley has been playing all these investigators for the pathetic fools they are this entire time. SHe knows who she was rapin with that night.

Why has no one been fired yet? WHy has no one had the good grace to resign voluntarily????

"Both the city and the DA's office have new administrations since Victoria's death. Torrez took office in January 2017 and Mayor Tim Keller came into office in December 2017."

And who else has been removed from office? What high up police officials have been axed?

"The Albuquerque Police Department did not make anyone available for an interview this week and did not respond to questions about what has been done in response to Torrez's team's investigation."

Of course they didnt. Did these idiots forget they are paid by citizen tax dollars? They dont feel the need to answer to the public they SERVE???? How absolutely fucking terrifying to live in taht city and know THESE are the clowns you have to depend on.

"But the city did send a statement from Commander Paul Duran of the Criminal Investigations Division, saying that when it realized the investigation had been off track based on "false statements from Michelle Martens," "

Wow what a vomit inducing load of absolute shit, blaming it ALL on the criminal. The investigation wasnt thrown off track by that bitch, it was fucked because of the outrageous ineptitude of the dipshit cops heading it.

"Thomson said she hopes that by moving forward instead of casting blame on investigators, the community will focus instead on trying to ensure that nothing like Victoria's death ever happens again. "

Fuck that. There will always be crime. What society needs is investigators that are worth a damn working to solve those crimes. Blaming the investigators and holding them accountable is the exact right thing that community NEEDS to do.
 
Buffettgirl said:
All I can think of is that the unsung victims of crime in Albuquerque are getting even less than this high profile, internationally watched case, got from their officials. I'm completely fuckin' gobsmacked. :pout:
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Def. Scary to think how many other crimes are either going unsolved or the wrong(or at least not ALL of the right) people are currently sitting in a cage for em, as a result of this depts shocking ineptitude. They are trying to fix this investigation, but how many others?
 
This is pretty fucked up.

https://www.abqjournal.com/1207212/fabian-gonzales-questions-basis-for-charges.html

So, Fabien's defence want to omit two key pieces of evidence that will certainly reinforce what a depraved, indifferent fuck this guy is. Even if these two shitheads were out buying dope at the time of the killing, how can you possibly sleep through (and only notice once psycho-cuz smacks you in the face with a tire iron while you are innocently sleeping off your tacos) someone dismembering a child in the next room? That shit has got to make some noise. The inclusion of the image of what they did to that poor child and that the beast said herself that he helped her clean up the gore after she chopped up the kid is pretty paramount and we will see if "Albuquerque justice" prevails if they are granted their motions.

The former DA has been pretty nonchalant in interviews about the way the case was handled and how sucession planning with the incoming DA was pretty much non-existent and takes zero accountability.

https://www.koat.com/article/former...nsistencies-in-victoria-martens-case/22145886

https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-new...ling-of-victoria-martens-murder-case/5017066/

If I am getting things straight about the case in general, Michelle has since been evaluated by a psychiatrist who specializes in false confessions and because she is of low cognitive functioning or IQ (I am unclear about the explanation about this too), she is prone to persuesion and to people please and that is why she freely just went with whatever the cops asked during the initial interrogation. But nobody caught that she was of Gump level intelligence until years later when the new DA finally reviewed the interview tapes? Really? So let's cut her a sweet deal.

And I also wonder about this time of death thing...that they went out for an hour or so and according to phone tracking they could not have possibly have been there when this kid died. But wasn't she burned and dismembered? Wouldn't time of death be ballpark? They better have gotten that shit right before cutting deals and dropping charges.
 
This case has been upsetting from the beginning.
Everytime this thread pops up, I think I'm going to read something that will be good news.
And nope, it just gets worse.
 
JackBurton said:
You also gotta wonder what else might be false. Did she actually have an STD? Was she actually lit on fire or was there merely a fire at the apt, unrelated to a body hiding/evidence destroying move? Who the fuck knows at this point. I dont think i would trust any news article i read, not fully at least. What happens at this point is most stories you come across are going to use prior stories as sources for info, rather then actual no shit official facts and comments from the investigation/authorities. ANy inaccurate info is going to be cycled through again and again and again until something concrete and extensive is done.
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Not too sure about a better timeline or revised version of events, but the autopsy report answers at least a couple of your questions. I'd trust that over news reports at this point.

She was dismembered (both arms removed) and her chest was cut open. They received her heart, arms, and parts of her liver and sternum bagged separately from the body.

She was wrapped in fabric and set on fire but the bulk of the fire damage occurred towards her feet/lower extremities.

Autopsy also confirmed presence of HPV.

Trying to attach the report (never done that before, we'll see if it works). If not, there's a link to it from this news article:

https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-worl...d-in-the-gruesome-slaying-of-victoria-martens
 

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Mata _Hari said:
So, Fabien's defence want to omit two key pieces of evidence that will certainly reinforce what a depraved, indifferent fuck this guy is. Even if these two shitheads were out buying dope at the time of the killing, how can you possibly sleep through (and only notice once psycho-cuz smacks you in the face with a tire iron while you are innocently sleeping off your tacos) someone dismembering a child in the next room? That shit has got to make some noise. The inclusion of the image of what they did to that poor child and that the beast said herself that he helped her clean up the gore after she chopped up the kid is pretty paramount and we will see if "Albuquerque justice" prevails if they are granted their motions.
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Isnt one of his charges directly relating to being an accessory or helping dispose of the body? How would shit like this not be relevant?

Mata _Hari said:
If I am getting things straight about the case in general, Michelle has since been evaluated by a psychiatrist who specializes in false confessions and because she is of low cognitive functioning or IQ (I am unclear about the explanation about this too), she is prone to persuesion and to people please and that is why she freely just went with whatever the cops asked during the initial interrogation. But nobody caught that she was of Gump level intelligence until years later when the new DA finally reviewed the interview tapes? Really? So let's cut her a sweet deal.
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The one article said her confession was full of holes, how she told multiple stories, and the story she ultimately went with is one that merely reflected questions the investigators had previously asked her during the interrogation. Really does read like your cut and dried definition of a false confession and poor interrogation.

Mata _Hari said:
And I also wonder about this time of death thing...that they went out for an hour or so and according to phone tracking they could not have possibly have been there when this kid died. But wasn't she burned and dismembered? Wouldn't time of death be ballpark? They better have gotten that shit right before cutting deals and dropping charges.
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Im curious about this too. Good luck getting a clear explanation from authorities on how they so definitively nailed the time of death down, and so specifically to.
 
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