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FRONT PAGE Apd: Mother, 2 Others Drugged 10-year-old Victoria Martens Before Killing Her'

DIAFplease said:
Mom looked like a methed out horse.
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I salute your brilliant imagery. Yet, as a horse lover, I feel you have insulted equines everywhere. ;)

Dark humor aside......

The autopsy shows they poured liquor into that little girl in order to do terrible things to her.
And the dismemberment was creepily thorough in the beginning, then they ran out of steam, ending with some incompetent hacking . It doesn't get more Sickening.
I love New Mexico, some of the people stink, the landscapes are wonderful. Most of the people I've met there are great.
 
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I had just posted a few days ago that there is no way this could continue to get worse. I really thought before I posted, and came up with "nope, not after the extent of the abuse was exposed, or her brother being raped, or the the childish "I like you" note they found from the victim victoria to the moms boyfriend...." and somehow it did get worse...
 
DIAFplease said:
I don't imagine any agency would look into an attempted kiss, unfortunately.
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I wonder who reported the kiss at all. Maybe it was her Mother? It does state that she had broken up with someone when they showed an interest in her daughter. If she reported it and there was no outcome ... i can see how harm or the perception of harm could be skewed for the Mom. I'm not excusing the Mom is any way ... just saying that at some point this mom did act appropriately when disengaging herself from the man that posed a potential risk to her family. Some thing happened to change this moms perspective because at one point she was advocating for her daughter. Its correct to examine the agencies response to this family, considering how spectacularly things ultimately ended. I wonder how the Mom knew about the kiss ... did she see it and ignore it ... get mad at Victoria and the guy (they broke up) file a report and then start Victimising her daughter ... Its heart breaking for me to think Victoria disclosed it ... because there is trust there ... when a child discloses they tell someone they think can help. And then the Mother usually goes to someone they think they can help and if that help fails ... This shit sometimes.
 
lithiumgirl said:
I wonder who reported the kiss at all. Maybe it was her Mother? It does state that she had broken up with someone when they showed an interest in her daughter. If she reported it and there was no outcome ... i can see how harm or the perception of harm could be skewed for the Mom. I'm not excusing the Mom is any way ... just saying that at some point this mom did act appropriately when disengaging herself from the man that posed a potential risk to her family. Some thing happened to change this moms perspective because at one point she was advocating for her daughter. Its correct to examine the agencies response to this family, considering how spectacularly things ultimately ended. I wonder how the Mom knew about the kiss ... did she see it and ignore it ... get mad at Victoria and the guy (they broke up) file a report and then start Victimising her daughter ... Its heart breaking for me to think Victoria disclosed it ... because there is trust there ... when a child discloses they tell someone they think can help. And then the Mother usually goes to someone they think they can help and if that help fails ... This shit sometimes.
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Are you not familiar with this story? The mother was actively recruiting men online to come and have sex with both of her children (the 2nd being a very young boy) because it turned her on to watch her children being raped. The mother didn't report shit.
 
Yes i am familiar ... familiar to the degree that a few months prior the mother ended a relationship with a man who sexually assaulted her daughter and then this ... there was a real break / fracture in how this woman perceived her daughter, so yes I am questioning the swing!
Yes I am also wondering if an agencies response to those things contributed to that.
 
Kimberix said:
Thats right folks 5 monthsbefore her murder someone called in an attempted kiss to Victoria by the bitches boyfriend and they did squat to follow up.
https://www.abqjournal.com/970075/a...interviewed-victoria-martens-and-her-mom.html
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Along this line, here is an opinion piece by a retired Albuquerque police sergeant
http://www.freeabq.com/2017/03/15/apd-lied-in-victorias-case/

http://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news...helle-fabian-gonzales-jessica-kelley/4437508/
Prosecutors in the case filed the "notice of intent to call witnesses" on March 20. It's to let the defenses' attorneys know who prosecutors may call to the witness stand during any evidentiary hearing or during the trial.

Among them are 13 noted experts who specialize in DNA and fingerprinting analysis, forensic anthropology and toxicology. Others are officers from Albuquerque Police Department and UNM's police department, including those who wrote reports and conducted interviews.

Prosecutors file witness list in Victoria Martens murder case
Four civilians are also on the list, including Fabian Gonzales's ex-girlfriend, and a few others who saw the suspects the night of the murder at the apartment complex. Eight workers from the office of the medical investigator are also on the witness list.
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AND....

As a teen, Jessica Kelley assaulted her family, school employee

According to Kelley’s juvenile record obtained exclusively by 4 Investigates, she assaulted a school employee in 1998 when she was only 13. She spent no time at a juvenile detention center for that incident—instead she agreed to stay out of trouble for six months.

According to civil court records, Kelley had her first daughter when she was 16 years old with Noah Gonzales. The two married, but quickly got divorced. Both parents had child visitation rights.

A police report suggests Kelley’s household was hostile. When she was 18, she allegedly hit her mother, sister and cousin several times. She went to jail.

In 2004, Albuquerque police showed up to a 911 call hang-up at her then home near the corner of Coors and Gun Club Rd SW. Jessica Kelley—allegedly under the influence of narcotics—was accused of hitting her then boyfriend and ripping the phone of the wall when he attempted to call police. The two have a son. Officers were forced to restrain Kelley.

A year later, Kelley was fighting for that son. The fight turned physical—court records reveal she approached the driver side window of her aunt’s car and punched her aunt in the forehead. Kelley was trying to take her own son from the backseat—even though she didn’t have custody of him. Her aunt told officers the boy’s paternal grandmother had legal custody.

Over the years, Kelley was arrested for assaulting a police officer, shoplifting, hurting a household member, violating her probation and possessing and selling drugs.

Also in her criminal record—Kelley was indicted for sexually assaulting a female inmate with an object. 4 Investigates reached out to the inmate who is now released, but she declined an interview.

Records from Kelley’s probation officer reveal she didn’t report at least four times. She violated probation twice more after getting charged with new crimes.

In September 2015, Kelley’s probation officer and Albuquerque Police caught Kelley with 18 small plastic baggies. They were packaged Suboxone strips—an opiate. Kelley was sent back behind bars for the drug offense and violating her probation.

Just weeks after she was released last August, police believe she was in Victoria Marten’s home. Officers say she played a role in the rape, dismemberment and murder of the 10-year-old girl.
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[doublepost=1494093004,1492217996][/doublepost]Going through all the normal court motions because even these demons have their rights.
May 4 2017.
Prosecutors ask for separate trials in Victoria Martens case
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https://www.abqjournal.com/998509/prosecutors-seeks-separate-trials-in-victoria-martens-killing.html
Prosecutors said attorneys for Gonzales and Kelley agree that the cases should be handled separately. Martens’ attorney has not responded. Gonzales’ attorney Tom Clark said the motion is a “formality,” and that all parties agree the trials should be severed.

In a motion filed Wednesday, prosecutor Kevin Holmes said the state plans to use Martens’ admission to police against her at trial. But the statement also implicates Gonzales and Kelley, and would “cause undue prejudice” to them, and would “result in reversible error.” Holmes said prosecutors also intend to introduce an admission by Gonzales, which would raise the same issues at a joined trial.
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Just clarifying in the circumstances of how the attempted kiss got reported. It was NOT the "mom", it was a concerned witness. Not that it helped, since it was discovered that it was never investigated & the APD tried to cover it up.

Call to CYFD
On March 28, 2016, several months before Victoria was killed, the New Mexico Children, Youth and Families Department received an anonymous telephone call. The caller said the girl’s mother’s ex-boyfriend had attempted to kiss Victoria. CYFD reviewed the call and, because it appeared that a crime may have been committed, determined it fell outside the agency’s jurisdiction...The person at APD who reviewed the referral, from their office, decided it was not a crime and did not require police to talk to Victoria. That’s right, without even asking Victoria, a desk jockey decided it wasn’t worth having an officer go check on her.

LINK: http://www.freeabq.com/2017/03/15/apd-lied-in-victorias-case/

Victoria was being abused way before Gonzales & Kelley came into the picture. This attempted kiss in front of a witness could have indicated that the Ex was very comfortable in abusing her (mom didn't mind) & forgot someone who was not in the loop was even there! The details of this crime & the months leading up to it are horrendous. I'm bothered that there are those that try to minimize Michelle's role even after she's been exposed for what she is.
[doublepost=1494166444,1494166092][/doublepost]The crying shame is that the attempted kiss was an assault & an investigation could've been a chance for Victoria to open up about some of the things she was going through. :banghead:
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https://www.google.com/amp/people.c...-police-interview-victoria-martens-death/amp/

Fabian Gonzales, one of the adults accused in a 10-year-old New Mexico girl’s August rape and killing, told police that the child — his girlfriend’s daughter — “loved” him and that she was “all grown up.”

...All three are scheduled for trial in 2017.

Can't wait :devil:
 
Yes but just knowing they are comfortable, warm and fed with their basic needs cared for.... Is enough to make me violently ill. This poor girl suffered for years, with her brother. Only to be brutally murdered at the end.

And her killers sit with clean beds, warm food and a soft pillow that we have to pay for for the rest of their lives.

Just doesn't seem fair. That's all.
 
this maggot deserves to be pummeled to gore along with the other two, her mindset i atypical of these types: "I just don't think that is fair" ha, the only unfair thing is they are still drawing any breath into their lungs
 
MURDEROUS PEDOPHILES ASK FOR MORE TIME TO DELAY THE INEVITABLE

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- Defense attorneys in the Victoria Martens murder trial have asked a judge for more time to prepare ....

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The district attorney's office said it isn't opposed to the motion.


... "While we have been working tirelessly to prepare these cases for trial, the sheer volume of information and evidence, combined with the nature of the cases, makes it nearly impossible for both parties to comply with the deadlines of the CMO," ...

http://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news...-fabien-gonzales-jessica-kelley-case/4527139/

So, are attorneys in Albuquerque lazy, or just incompetent? This case could have been tried months ago. Its not like they aren't sure who killed Victoria or how.
 
A Civilian Police Oversight Agency investigation has concluded that two Albuquerque Police Department spokespeople lied to the public about the department’s role in the Victoria Martens case before the girl was drugged, raped, murdered and dismembered.
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http://www.freeabq.com/2017/08/02/apd-lied-about-victoria-martens-case/
The spokespeople, officer Fred Duran and civilian Celina Espinoza, lied when they told a reporter earlier this year that APD detectives had investigated a report that the boyfriend of Victoria’s mother had tried to kiss the 10-year-old girl several months before she was murdered in August of 2016.

No APD personnel ever visited Victoria or her mother to investigate the allegations, the investigation said.

In addition, APD Chief Gorden Eden was told of the lie in January, but the department waited six weeks to tell the truth about it. And APD told the truth only after being confronted by a reporter about it, the investigation said.
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Many details at the link.
 
jenthgr8 said:
What the fuck is a goulitian tho
My autocorrect literally committed suicide after I typed that
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GUILLOTINE
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https://www.abqjournal.com/1056849/lawyers-say-martens-previous-boyfriend-tied-to-kidnapping.html

SEPTEMBER 1, 2017
The man who attempted to kiss Victoria Martens five months before her grisly death had been arrested and charged in the high-profile kidnapping of a 4-year-old girl in 2013, according to attorneys representing Victoria’s grandparents.

Attorney Jason Bowles said the grandparents told him that David Jesus Hernandez, 35, was dating their daughter, Victoria’s mother, Michelle Martens, in March 2016. Victoria was 9 years old at the time.

It was during that period that a report from Martens reached the state’s Children, Youth and Families Department saying her boyfriend had attempted to kiss Victoria, said Gilbert Montaño, the mayor’s chief of staff. Martens also reported she had kicked the boyfriend out of the house, but she refused to give his name.

CYFD forwarded a request for investigation to the Albuquerque Police Department. But because Martens had reported the allegation, and she said she kicked the boyfriend out, police didn’t investigate, Montaño said.

If they had investigated, Bowles said, they could have discovered her boyfriend was the same man who had previously been referenced in at least two alleged child sex assaults – although no charges were brought in either case – and in the 2013 kidnapping.

That, Bowles said, might have saved Victoria’s life.
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According to a criminal complaint filed in Metropolitan Court, in May 2013 Hernandez grabbed a 4-year-old girl from an apartment complex near 12th and Menaul, forced her into his car and sped away.

The girl’s mother chased him across town before crashing into his car. The girl was pushed out of the car before the crash and was not hurt.

Hernandez fled on foot but the registration and a birth certificate in the car pointed to him as the suspect, according to the complaint. He turned himself in after a day-long manhunt.

The case was dismissed by prosecutors after a judge suppressed key evidence, including an interview with the child victim, because the state hadn’t turned it over to the defense. The case was refiled in 2015, but dismissed again after a judge determined Hernandez’s speedy trial rights had been violated.
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Hernandez could still face charges in connection to Victoria, since all the men named in Martens’ interviews with detectives are still being investigated by APD and the FBI’s child exploitation units, Montaño said.

In the hours after Victoria’s body was found, Martens told homicide detectives Hernandez had raped the girl “maybe twice” in the past, according to transcripts of the interviews.

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Martens’ story changed frequently throughout her interviews. At one point she said Hernandez sexually assaulted Victoria and “that’s when I got rid of him.”
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Maybe Martens was angry that he raped the little girl when she wasn't there to WATCH.
Further info at the link.
 
Muriel Schwenck said:
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Attorney Jason Bowles said the grandparents told him that David Jesus Hernandez, 35, was dating their daughter, Victoria’s mother, Michelle Martens, in March 2016. Victoria was 9 years old at the time.
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According to a criminal complaint filed in Metropolitan Court, in May 2013 Hernandez grabbed a 4-year-old girl from an apartment complex near 12th and Menaul, forced her into his car and sped away.
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Yeap, we've had David Jesus Hernandez before

http://www.dreamindemon.com/communi...-chases-down-suspect-rams-him-with-car.62821/
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Muriel Schwenck said:
http://www.koat.com/article/grandpa...for-not-investigating-attempted-kiss/12009005
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John and Pat Martens - Shitbags

Fuck these fucking fucktards! The jailhouse phone recordings show they are in full support of their evil twisted daughter and now they are suing the city! They are just as much fault as CYFD and now they are trying to profit from their granddaughters horrible rape and murder, all the while being smart asses to the news media. These pieces of shit did nothing when their daughters descent in drugs was so fucking obvious, no wonder their daughter was fucked in the head, look at the trash that she spawned from.
 
well, everyone knows my opinion of these three freaks, never never should have left the apartment complex alive and the unmothers parents are garbage also, poor kid never had a chance
 
It doesn't sound like the grandparents are on their daughters side too me. It sounds like they're on their own side ... the loved Victoria and her brother and they loved their daughter and want to support her as best they can. But I don't think they believe that she is innocent and you can tell they're disgusted and fed up with her.
 
Grandparents knew there was a serious problem and serious threat to the granddaughter and decided NOT to take action beyond making a few phone calls?

Are they dirt poor and couldnt afford an attorney to take daughter dearest to court and challenge for custody? Yeah fucking right.
[doublepost=1504466768,1504466737][/doublepost]Everyone in this story is worthless trash. EVERYONE.
 
I often read these long post at night and by the end cannot even comment until I process the horror I just read. This beautiful little girl shares my name so that alone makes me feel a strong connection to her. I cried a lot reading through this post last night.

Initially I was struck at how normal this monster (She does not get title of mother ) appeared to be. Her kids were in school and at church, not hidden away. Autopsy said she was well nourished. Victoria was on gymnastics and looking at monsters Facebook she played tee ball at some point. Facebook shows a tidy apartment and trips to baseball games. All so normal yet this family had dark secrets. Why does this make it so much harder for me to comprehend? Maybe I don't understand this level of psychopath.

Then I realised this is similar to what a friend of mine went through growing up and I realise It's probably more common than you would think. It's just so twisted. You never really know what is going in behind closed doors.

I think when they interviewed her about abuse at school they probably only asked questions regarding the incident. Since it was about her brother being hit with a spoon they probably asked questions like does your mom hit you and along those lines. Nobody asked about sexual assault and she didn't offer the info.

I have a theory on why she never told any body. She thought it was normal. I mean her mother watched it happen and probably encouraged her to participate. Not to mention her letter to her rapist. This makes me so fucking sick. Poor child thought this was normal. There were probably threats as well. My friend was kept quiet because her step father threatened to harm her siblings and I would bet money that this is what happened here as well . Her brother never told anyone either and he did have a dad in the picture. My guess is they threatened to harm the other child if either ever spoke about it. Sibling bonds are strong and it's amazing what kids will endure to protect the other.

This poor girl. All the smiles hiding the truth. I hate to say this but I am glad they released her soul before the worst of it. It pissed me off neighbors heard the child yelling stop it over and over and didn't bother to call the police. How to do you hear those desperate words of a child and ignore them?

The only remotely good thing I can find in this story is that her brother was not there to witness it. I honestly believe if he was they might have killed him too as to leave no witnesses.

I'm sorry this is long. This story has my heart literally torn in two. Oh sweet Victoria with the brightest smile and beautiful eyes. I'm sorry you were born to a woman capable of such cruelty. I pray you have found peace among the angels. I will never forget you sweet child. You didn't deserve this baby girl.
 
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