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WASHINGTON (TND) — The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that colleges and universities must stop considering race in admissions, forcing institutions of higher education to look for new ways to achieve diverse student bodies.

The cases involving admissions at the nation's oldest private college in Harvard and public college in the University of North Carolina were both ruled along the court's ideological lines. Justice Kentanji Brown Jackson recused herself from the Harvard case because she sat on a governing board at the school.

The vote was 6-3 in the North Carolina case and 6-2 in the Harvard case.

In the majority opinion written by Chief Justice John Roberts, he said universities have “concluded, wrongly, that the touchstone of an individual’s identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned but the color of their skin. Our constitutional history does not tolerate that choice.”

Justice Clarence Thomas, who has long argued against affirmative action, described the schools' admissions programs as "rudderless, race-based preferences designed to ensure a particular racial mix in their entering classes.”

Roberts said higher education institutions could still consider applicants' discussion of personal race-based experiences as part of their admissions essays.

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I think the time has come. Individual cases can still be handled in lawsuits, I guess. It was never correct to try and resolve an issue caused by racial discrimination to be resolved with more racial discrimination. One would like to think issues in schools would be resolved during that time, but I doubt much was done.
 
Yeah, it's probably time it ended. It was never intended to be forever, just until things could get on par, a generation or two in.
I think there are few that would argue it wasn't needed at the time. Started in the early 70s I think, just 10 years after the University of Mississippi did everything they could to keep out their first black student, James Meredith:

"The admission of Meredith ignited the Ole Miss riot of 1962 where Meredith's life was threatened and 31,000 American servicemen were required to quell the violence - the largest ever invocation of the Insurrection Act of 1807."

So it was needed.
Justice Thomas is lucky the government forced universities to accept black students.
Justice Thomas doesn't seem to understand it wasn't about him getting into college because of his academic merits, there's no question he's brilliant, it was about blacks being admitted to colleges at all.

Ha. Allan Bakke.
 
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But what will happen when all the top universities are only filled with Asian students?

There has to be a way to get the best of the best from all racial pools without discriminating against any one group of people.

Many of these universities are sitting on large endowments and could provide more professors and classes to expand their enrollment.
 
in her dissent, Supreme Court justice Ketanji Brown Jackson pulled no punches as she called the ruling “let-them-eat-cake obliviousness.”

The vote was 6 to 3, with the Supreme Court’s liberal members voting against the decision, and Jackson’s lengthy dissent quickly caught traction on social media.

“With let-them-eat-cake obliviousness, today, the majority pulls the ripcord and announces ‘colorblindness for all’ by legal fiat,” the dissent reads in part. “But deeming race irrelevant in law does not make it so in life. And having so detached itself from this country’s actual past and present experiences, the Court has now been lured into interfering with the crucial work that UNC and other institutions of higher learning are doing to solve America’s real-world problems.”

The dissent continues: “No one benefits from ignorance. Although formal racelinked legal barriers are gone, race still matters to the lived experiences of all Americans in innumerable ways, and today’s ruling makes things worse, not better. The best that can be said of the majority’s perspective is that it proceeds (ostrich-like) from the hope that preventing consideration of race will end racism. But if that is its motivation, the majority proceeds in vain. If the colleges of this country are required to ignore a thing that matters, it will not just go away. It will take longer for racism to leave us. And, ultimately, ignoring race just makes it matter more.”

Jackson, who was appointed to the Court by President Joe Biden in 2022, called for leveling the playing field against systemic racism with programs like those in place at Harvard and UNC.

“The only way out of this morass — for all of us — is to stare at racial disparity unblinkingly, and then do what evidence and experts tell us is required to level the playing field and march forward together, collectively striving to achieve true equality for all Americans. It is no small irony that the judgment the majority hands down today will forestall the end of race-based disparities in this country, making the colorblind world the majority wistfully touts much more difficult to accomplish.”

In conclusion, Jackson said the decision is a “tragedy.”

“The Court has come to rest on the bottom-line conclusion that racial diversity in higher education is only worth potentially preserving insofar as it might be needed to prepare Black Americans and other underrepresented minorities for success in the bunker, not the boardroom (a particularly awkward place to land, in light of the history the majority opts to ignore). It would be deeply unfortunate if the Equal Protection Clause actually demanded this perverse, ahistorical, and counterproductive outcome. To impose this result in that Clause’s name when it requires no such thing, and to thereby obstruct our collective progress toward the full realization of the Clause’s promise, is truly a tragedy for us all.”

Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor also wrote a dissent, saying the decision rolls back decades of progress.

“Today, this Court stands in the way and rolls back decades of precedent and momentous progress. It holds that race can no longer be used in a limited way in college admissions to achieve such critical benefits,” Sotomayor’s dissent reads in part. “In so holding, the Court cements a superficial rule of colorblindness as a constitutional principle in an endemically segregated society where race has always mattered and continues to matter. The Court subverts the constitutional guarantee of equal protection by further entrenching racial inequality in education, the very foundation of our democratic government and pluralistic society. Because the Court’s opinion is not grounded in law or fact and contravenes the vision of equality embodied in the Fourteenth Amendment, I dissent.”
 
I'm thinking if merit based admission were the thing now, nobody would get in, since nobody is getting the foundation of education from kindegarten to high school anymore. Just stop all the modern bullshit like common core and whatever else they've come up with and just teach the the old fashioned reading, writing and math. And put discipline back into schools, discipline for the students and their parents. You either tow the line and learn or the parents teach the little shits themselves.
 
@cubby

I think Asian children will continue to do well even with all the BS in schools because their homes instill the importance of education and getting good grades.

Heh.

};^D
 
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Whoopi Goldberg took aim at Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas during Thursday’s edition of The View, which went live just minutes after the Court’s 6-3 decision to upset a 45-year precedent and rule it unconstitutional for universities to consider race in admissions.
“He doesn’t know what diversity is. That’s what he said, and so he doesn’t get it,” Goldberg said in response to Thomas’ concurrence with the decision. “Well, let me pose this question to you, Justice Thomas: Could your mother and father vote in this country? Because had the 14th Amendment actually had us on equal footing, they would’ve been able to vote. And you know why that changed? Because people got out and made a change. If we didn’t have to, no one would do it.
“Who wants to get hit by water from a water hose? Nobody!” Goldberg exclaimed. “But that’s what people did in order to get the vote. So when you say you don’t know what diversity is, I say you’re full of it.”
Earlier during Hot Topics, Goldberg spoke to the importance of affirmative action and why it should continue to be upheld. “The 14th Amendment is supposed to promise equal protection, but if everyone was actually treated equally, we wouldn’t have had to put in affirmative action,” she said. “People wouldn’t have had to march, and begged, and gotten hosed, and all of these things that people did to just balance us out with everything else going on in the country.”

So Asians need to march in the streets and get water hosed in order for their children to be treated fairly?
 
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So Asians need to march in the streets and get water hosed in order for their children to be treated fairly?


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You want a fair chance? Then work hard, do your due diligence, take your fucking chances just like all the rest of us. I graduated high school, I didn't go to college, I got a certificate for internet studies at the local tech school, but I was already nearly 50 years old at that point. I don't blame anybody but myself. I could have done all kinds of things, but I was too busy wanting to do all the things I thought were so important, but now seem so inconsequential. Ffs I learned shorthand in high school!!!
 
You want a fair chance? Then work hard, do your due diligence, take your fucking chances just like all the rest of us. I graduated high school, I didn't go to college, I got a certificate for internet studies at the local tech school, but I was already nearly 50 years old at that point. I don't blame anybody but myself. I could have done all kinds of things, but I was too busy wanting to do all the things I thought were so important, but now seem so inconsequential. Ffs I learned shorthand in high school!!!
Yeah, but that's not always the case.

Let's see how this while increase civil lawsuits.
 
Fascinating.

It rights a wrong, but it's notable that there are other wrongs which continue to exist which for some reason disproportionately impact certain races of people in USA and remain a genuine source of trouble.

Such as: the 55+- year war by the deep state against the American people should be ended. ACTUALLY stop the drugs. End it. No more bullshit. Claw that "ukraine" money back from the stakeholders who pocketed so much illicit profit and use it productively (such as, making the drugs stop).

This would be a nice step #2. ..... but maybe this requires the dismissal of the super-rich deep state bitches (and removal of their money 100%). Doesn't help that they control some number of institutions and government agencies right now.
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I'm thinking if merit based admission were the thing now, nobody would get in, since nobody is getting the foundation of education from kindegarten to high school anymore. Just stop all the modern bullshit like common core and whatever else they've come up with and just teach the the old fashioned reading, writing and math. And put discipline back into schools, discipline for the students and their parents. You either tow the line and learn or the parents teach the little shits themselves.
Some countries (Finland for example) have mostly merit-based, and free, higher education.

If high school grads can't get in for the program of their choice, they have the option of choosing another. Maybe even slide "down" the totem pole to vocational training. No dummies allowed for the more challenging degrees.
 
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I think that vocational or trade schools are a vital tool for the education of people who don't want to work computers, push papers or sit in an office wearing a tie. A lot of old and young people want to work with their hands, work as electricians, plumbers, linemen, carpenters, welders but it seems in the last 30 years or so no one is being encouraged to do those things. Just down the road here is Flint River Tech, my bestie worked there as an admin for 20 years, the amount of classes they offered have gotten to be slim pickings lately. I remember that just about everybody was taking classes of some sort there when I was in high school, but now, nothing's going on, mainly because it's not used as the resource it should be. These jobs still need to be done, but nobody trains to do them.
 
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