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Miami-Dade Fire Rescue officials said more than 80 units responded to the collapse at the condominium building near 88th Street and Collins Avenue just north of Miami Beach around 2 a.m.

Footage from the scene showed a large section of the building collapsed into a pile of rubble.

Surfside's mayor confirmed at least one person was killed in the collapse. It was unknown how many people were injured or were inside the building at the time of the collapse.

The county's Technical Rescue Team was being assisted by municipal fire departments in searching the scene for survivors, officials said.

At one point, firefighters were seen pulling a boy from the rubble and putting him onto a stretcher.


 
Miami-Dade Commissioner Sally Heyman said, as of right now, 51 people who were assumed to have been living in the partially collapsed part of the building have not been accounted for.

Heyman told CNN those people have "not either called out or had people call in to reach them."

Emergency officials are asking people to call 305-614-1819 to report that they are safe or for family members to report their relatives missing.

The commissioner said it is not clear if all 51 people were in the building when it fell because of "vacations or anything else, so we're still waiting and unfortunately the hope is still there, but it is weaning."

Heyman said crews have completed searching and are now shifting to recovery efforts. She said fire rescue and first responders have gone entirely through the building that did not fall, and the part that was partially compromised.
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She said about 40 people have been evacuated, according to their records. Some of them were helped by other people, she said.

But, Heyman said crews are in "pause mode" right now because of a thunderstorm that has moved into the area.

 
Relatives of the first lady of Paraguay were among the nearly 100 people unaccounted for Thursday after a high-rise condominium building partially collapsed near Miami Beach, according to South American officials.

Euclides Acevedo, Paraguay’s foreign minister, said in interviews Thursday that members of President Mario Abdo Benítez’s family were among those missing.

 

‘Banging’ sound detected in rubble of collapsed Florida condo building​

Rescuers have detected a possible “banging” sound coming from the rubble of the partially collapsed 12-story oceanfront condo building near Miami.

The sound, picked up by sonar equipment, offers a glimmer of hope as responders dig through the mountain of debris where the building in Surfside, Fla., just north of Miami Beach, came crashing down around 1:30 a.m. Thursday.

“We did receive sounds — not necessarily people talking, but sounds — what sounds like people banging,” said Fire Rescue Assistant Chief Ray Jadallah during an afternoon press briefing. “We haven’t heard any voices coming from the pile.”

Jadallah cautioned that the noise may simply be from debris shifting at the site, where at least one person died and at least 99 more are unaccounted for.

Working in shifts and wary of possible further collapse, first responders are meticulously sifting through the rubble in a race against time to reach any survivors who may be trapped.

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Rescuers continue searching for survivors trapped in the rubble of a collapsed beachfront condo building outside Miami. At least one person has been killed and nearly 100 are still missing. Dozens of survivors were pulled out, and rescuers kept up a desperate search for more throughout the night.
A wing of the 12-story building in the community of Surfside came down with a roar around 1:30 a.m. Thursday. By late evening, 99 people were still unaccounted for, authorities said, raising fears that the death toll could climb sharply. Officials did not know how many were in the tower when it fell.

The collapse on Thursday morning sent a cloud of debris through the neighborhood, coating cars up to two blocks away with a light layer of dust. Footage from the scene showed a large section of the sea-view side of the building collapsed into a pile of rubble.

Surfside Mayor Charles Burkett warned during a news conference that the building manager told him the tower was quite full and the death toll was likely to rise. He also said the building could be in danger of additional collapse.

"The building is literally pancaked, it has gone down, and I mean there's just feet in between stories where there were 10 feet," Burkett said. "That is heartbreaking because it doesn't mean to me that we're gonna be as successful as we would want to be to find people alive."
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Teams of 10 to 12 rescuers at a time entered the rubble with dogs and other equipment, working until they grew tired from the heavy lifting, then making way for a new team, said Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis, the state’s fire marshal.

“They’re not going to stop just because of nightfall,” Patronis said. “They just may have a different path they pursue.”

Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava said 102 people have been accounted for and 99 are unaccounted for following the collapse. Officials stressed that "unaccounted for" didn't necessarily mean those people were in the building at the time of the collapse. Authorities were taking DNA samples from the family members of those missing.

Miami-Dade Fire Rescue officials said 37 people were rescued from the structure so far, and two people were pulled from the rubble after about 55 apartment units collapsed. Sources told NBC 6 that search
dogs found two viable survivors amid the rubble.
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The Red Cross opened a short-term shelter Thursday and is providing hotel rooms for displaced families. It also committed to providing small grants for short-term expenses and mental health counseling and services for each family.

Rescue crews were searching under the rubble and using sonar devices to detect any signs of life, fire officials said. They noted that they did receive some sounds as they searched the debris — not necessarily human voices but the sounds of banging.

Video from Miami-Dade Fire Rescue shows firefighters from several departments across South Florida searching a flooded basement parking garage at Champlain Towers.

Officials at nearby Aventura Hospital said they had received three patients from the scene. Two were in critical condition. Memorial Healthcare confirmed they have one pediatric patient from the collapse but didn't specify their age.

A small fire appeared to break out in one part of the building on Thursday afternoon amid ongoing search and rescue efforts as smoke could be seen rising from one of the floors. The fire was extinguished in about 20 minutes, officials said.
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A witness told NBC 6 said he saw the entire rear of the building collapse.

"I just can't put into words, it looks like a bomb hit, it looks like something in one of these Third World countries that just literally collapsed, like a pancake straight down, and there's just an incredible pile of rubble," he said.

Earlier Thursday, firefighters were seen pulling a boy from the rubble and putting him onto a stretcher. The boy's condition was not immediately clear. Firefighters were also seen using a ladder truck to rescue people who were still in sections of the building that were still standing.
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Officials said they don't know what caused the collapse, and DeSantis said engineers will be looking into the cause but it will take time to give answers.

The Champlain Towers South Condos is located at 8777 Collins Avenue. The development was built in 1981 in the southeast corner of Surfside, on the beach, and has more than 130 units. It had a few two-bedroom units currently on the market, with asking prices of $600,000 to $700,000, an internet search showed.

Burkett said there had been recent roof work done on the building but it was unknown if that had anything to do with the collapse.
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Officials said residents were being moved to the Surfside Community Center, and streets in the area were closed.
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A resident missing in the Surfside apartment collapse told her son the building was making loud “creaking noises” a day earlier, he said.
“She just told me she had woken up around 3, 4 in the morning and had heard like some creaking noises,” her son, Pablo Rodriguez, told CNN on Thursday after part of the 12-story building tumbled to the ground. “They were loud enough to wake her.”

“It was like a comment that she made offhand, like that’s why she woke up and she wasn’t able to go back to sleep afterwards,” he added. “Now, in hindsight, you always wonder.”

Both his mother and grandmother are missing. Rodriguez told the cable network his hope is dimming.

“You always hold out hope, until you definitively know. But after seeing the video of the collapse, it’s increasingly difficult, because they were in that section that was pancaked in.”

The building had been sinking for years and was deemed unstable, a researcher at Florida International University told USA Today. He stopped short of saying that was the cause.

“This is an extraordinarily unusual event, and it is dangerous and counterproductive to speculate on its cause,” former Surfside Mayor Daniel Dietch told the newspaper.
 
If I paid $700,000 for a condo and it collapsed, I would be very annoyed.
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Wow. This picture makes the situation much clearer. I thought just a small section collapsed on the edge, but essentially it was a whole building. Jeebus. How could there be zero warning this might happen?
 
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asking prices of $600,000 to $700,000

I would call $600,000 - $700,000 an inflated price for a condo inside of building that belonged being condemned immediately.

Also noticed:

> The building had been sinking for years and was deemed unstable, a researcher at Florida International University told USA Today.

that's all fucked up tho ... all of it
 
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What's disturbing is more of this could happen as the sea rises (or the land sinks). They shouldn't have ignored the fact that the building was deemed unstable. WTF are building inspectors doing down there? The building should've been shuttered, but someone would lose a lot of money which is more important to them than other people's lives. I guess they weren't worried about finding new tenants.
 
~ @Satanica ~ Odd that the inspectors were reportedly on the roof of the building that collapsed just a few days before. Why on the roof when residents reported that you could visually see that the building was sinking into the ground beneath it?

I see a building making moves... I'm going to make moves of my own.

 
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Oh shit ...

Florida is in for an interesting time, methinks

and i think they may be changing that inspection interval in the future...
I would hope after this.. every 5 years is a reasonable number.. I think the bottom line will always be money.. fuck the inhabitants.. if they knew this was an unstable - unsafe building and didn’t alert residents or schedule maintenance.. they’re fucked.. I see MANY lawsuits in their future.. I hope EVERYONE involved had current insurance..
 
Can't remember which article I read this on but it was known that the building was 'sinking'. It's believed the inspectors were there for that reason (but not confirmed).

In another article a resident's family member said that in a call from her a few days prior, she was awakened in the early morning by loud 'creaks and groans'.

Sound like this place has been falling apart for a while.
 
It could be a combination of the building sinking as well as a roof problem, i.e. with ongoing leaks and deferred maintenance. If the building was sinking, a structural engineer should have been engaged to evaluate the foundation, take measurements, monitor for any movement, and address structural supports as needed. Would be interesting to see that report. As for the roof, water infiltration from leaks that are not addressed with proper repairs and maintenance, can undermine the building's structural components. It would be interesting to see what has been done there as well.

I am SO glad I retired from property management!
 
~ @Satanica ~ Odd that the inspectors were reportedly on the roof of the building that collapsed just a few days before. Why on the roof when residents reported that you could visually see that the building was sinking into the ground beneath it?

I see a building making moves... I'm going to make moves of my own.

Wasn't inspectors, it was a scheduled roof repair, all part of a retrofit that had been in the works for some time. Buildings like this have to be recertified every 40 years.

That said, my money is on subsidence. Concrete isn't flexible, so a few centimeters are significant. Plus, that shock test on our new aircraft carrier sent a 3.5 quake through south Florida. Google liquefaction, it's a big contributor to structural collapse.
 
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@Craygor, check this out:

The failure of the foundation and columns would be subsequent. There's no bedrock to speak of, and the water table is only a few feet down. If the quake had been a 5, it might have dropped immediately. It had already been weakened by subsidence. Sea level rise has already been causing occasional tidal flooding in Miami, and they're debating a 20 ft. sea wall.
 

Another resident, Janette Aguero, said the building's garage floor was often covered in water. "It was always wet even when it was dry out. It's a beautiful day and you go, 'Why am I stepping in a puddle of water to get to the car?'"

Aguero, who lives in Unit 1106, may have cheated death two apartments away. "We walked out and the apartment is … it's just gone," she told CBS News.

Forensic inspectors wonder whether something failed underneath the 40-year-old building. To support its weight, the tower's builders had to drive concrete pylons deep into the sandbar. Saltwater could have seeped into the concrete and corroded the steel inside the pylons, shifting the base of the building.

"They will try to see where the source of, where the water's coming from, and did that penetrate into the columns, the foundations," said Atorod Azizinamini, a Florida International University structural engineering professor.

Champlain South's building association is required by county law to reinspect the tower top to bottom every 40 years. An attorney for the association said it was undergoing the recertification process when the building collapsed.
 
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