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amac
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I 100% agree. Also, let's just say they themselves did set it up for argument's sake, wouldn't you think they'd have enough self awareness to realize how odd it would appear to people? Even if I were somehow wired to think along those lines during such a horrific event, I think I'd at least have the good sense to realize how strange it would come across and withhold my impulse to ask for money for a couple of days.
Oh man... If this turns out to be another contract killing, I'm moving to Jupiter. I need at least 1 planet between me and these freaks.
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Krystal
Veteran Member
Exactly.
I imagine that the thought of how you're going to pay for a funeral and such would come into your mind but I would think that many people would think it would be poor timing to say the least.
But, we're in a time when so many people put their every moment on the internet via Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc., that I think those of us who would consider it "odd" and not do it are a dying breed. Hell, people are posing for selfies with the bodies at funerals, those of us who wouldn't consider such a thing are falling out of favor.
Keepalowprofile
Nothing changes when nothing changes.
I really doubt they were told don't worry about money.
When my baby died and I had to make unexpected plans, no one told me not to worry about money... It was just the opposite.
Same thing when my dad passed away, everything was supposed to be paid for. Then they came up with a transport and freezer charge and I had to come up with almost $500.00 just to get started.
My hate is being reserved for the shooter.
Keepalowprofile
Nothing changes when nothing changes.
This.
Its not our style, but its how it is.
Krystal
Veteran Member
I don't think we know.
My family was told something different than you were. And we really have no idea what this family was told. We can present the argument either way based on our experiences with untimely deaths.
That's what I'm trying to get across, is that planning in these situations can be at two very opposite sides of the spectrum.
amac
Trusted Member
Good heavens, that's WEIRD! The thought never even passed between my ears that people do that at funerals! Last night my fiance and I were chatting about what a strange feeling it is that we were around when cell phones were invented and the first "smart" technology wave gathered its momentum... and we're only in our early 30's. What's the world gonna be like in another 10-20 years?!
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Keepalowprofile
Nothing changes when nothing changes.
In today's world, its a knee jerk reaction to post everything in your life moment by moment.
My daughter snaps pictures of her food and posts it. Didn't know she liked my meatloaf that much, then I realized it wasn't about my meatloaf, it was about her posting something.
I still live with the thought that I don't think people need to know what I eat and when I poop but I'm old and out of the loop. Last time I went to face book, I had 87 notifications. My daughter saw the little number and went crazy that I clicked it off without reading them.
My daughter snaps pictures of her food and posts it. Didn't know she liked my meatloaf that much, then I realized it wasn't about my meatloaf, it was about her posting something.
I still live with the thought that I don't think people need to know what I eat and when I poop but I'm old and out of the loop. Last time I went to face book, I had 87 notifications. My daughter saw the little number and went crazy that I clicked it off without reading them.
Keepalowprofile
Nothing changes when nothing changes.
I'm 53 and I rember when we had a shared phone line and our phone was on the kitchen wall with a rotery dial.Good heavens, that's WEIRD! The thought never even passed between my ears that people do that at funerals! Last night my fiance and I were chatting about what a strange feeling it is that we were around when cell phones were invented and the first "smart" technology wave gathered its momentum... and we're only in our early 30's. What's the world gonna be like in another 10-20 years?!
If I wanted to talk to my friends, I had to get on my bike and go find them.
Krystal
Veteran Member
Party line?
I remember those. Stupid neighbor loved to talk on the phone, it was never available.
We had a lovely rust colored rotary phone with a mismathed cord that was always tangled into a huge knot.
Keepalowprofile
Nothing changes when nothing changes.
Yep, party line and yep, always tangled cord. Even if you spent 20 minutes fixing it, it just twisted right back up.
gatekeeper
Loves the "Funny" Button
I'm sure it's different everywhere, but it's the same here, at least with the funeral homes I'm familiar with. I was involved with a dear friend twice when each of her parents passed away and all the expenses had to be paid upfront. Since her parents died a little over a year apart and neither of them had life insurance, she had trouble coming up with the cash for her dad's little, flat bronze plaque (they only allow the flat ones, not upstanding tombstones) which was $2,500. Once the temp. 30 day grave marker they incl. in the cost of the funeral was pulled, it took her two yrs. to save up for his plaque.
It just struck me as so sad no one ever even knew they were walking on top of the man's grave. He was such a great guy and it was like he was a nobody b/c of this stupid policy. Even our "Potter's Field" where the homeless and other poor folks are buried at the city's expense at least have a grave marker for the dead, even if it only lists a number, the person's sex and the date of their burial. I was so pissed they wouldn't let her make payments on anything I got into it with the funeral director, wrote a nastygram to the owners and Yelped them to let others know about their pay upfront policy. If they'd have explained it up front when we'd gone in for the initial consult, it would've been different, they'd at least had a choice, but they didn't even have that little "condition" included in any of the copies of the paperwork they gave her.
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cubby
Live Long and Prosper
I guess it helped that I was on first name basis with the owner of one of the funeral homes here in my town. He was wanting to barter for the cost of the funeral. John had some really expensive long guns and hand guns and he was wanting them instead of money, but my son wanted the guns so he paid for the funeral and I gave him the guns. It was still $4200 for the simplest funeral we could arrange, that included creamation, family visit for 2 hours the night before and a one hour service the next day. He let me "borrow" a beautiful urn for the funeral. John hadn't returned from the crematorium yet.
I think the smaller the town, the more likely it will be that they will accept payments. They have to live there too and people will talk about how they are treated.
I think the smaller the town, the more likely it will be that they will accept payments. They have to live there too and people will talk about how they are treated.
mynameiskat
Brown Chicken Brown Cow
I definitely want to know more about the story I wonder what the dad did to piss this guy off so bad not that it's a fathers fault this guy obviously is an evil bastard but I somehow doubt he just pulled up to the car and started shooting on a whim.
This is exactly why when people cut me off or flip me off or honk at me or even look at me funny I just let it go it's not worth it !!
This is exactly why when people cut me off or flip me off or honk at me or even look at me funny I just let it go it's not worth it !!
mynameiskat
Brown Chicken Brown Cow
My grandma and grandpa have something like that through the Neptune Society
amac
Trusted Member
Not necessarily, here in CO we've had a rash of senseless shootings on the hwys/roads by an unknown assailant(s). About as cowardly of a crime as I can imagine.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...o-shooting-task-force-provide-update-thursday
And I'm assuming these other CO road shootings may have been at least in part copycats:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...over-to-northern-colorado-shooting-task-force
It's lovely driving around here knowing they haven't been caught.
People suck.Oh, and then there is this... 11 cars shot in AZ...
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/09/10/ties-arizona-colorado-shootings/72031058/
On a personal note, once when I was younger my mom and I were driving down a busy suburban road in the middle of the day minding our own business, when this clearly insane man came pulling up, rushed past us, then pulled an E brake U-turn in front of us in the middle of the road and began to charge us at full speed! No provocation. Zero. He was apparently just in the mood to kill a mother and daughter. Thankfully she was able to evasively maneuver us into an adjacent gas station and the peeled off.
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amac
Trusted Member
I noticed you're a new member, do you know the family?
mynameiskat
Brown Chicken Brown Cow
I have heard about the snipers who kill and the crazies but the father himself,said it was a road rage incident so that's why I am curious of the circumstance. I mean did he flip him off or accidentally cut him off?
biteme
The Rev, Molon labe
Comments are, he was swerving in front of the truck and not letting him pass, sounds a bit beyond a finger or accidently cutting him off
lrb1234
New Member
Kinda new. Been lurking around this site for years and have only just registered. I am not family of the poor little girl but am from Albuquerque and have been following the news closely on this. also here is an update. or at least a little more info regarding what started this road rage. I hate that the father has been partially blamed. We have terrible drivers here in town but just because you flip someone off and yell at them that doesn't mean that you have to loose the life of your child.
A criminal complaint details the road rage incident that ended in the deadly shooting of a 4-year-old girl in Albuquerque Tuesday.
Tony Torrez, 31, is facing an open count of murder and several other charges in connection to the death of Lilly Garcia.
The complaint states the girl's father, Alan Garcia, was driving westbound on Interstate 40 when a red Toyota cut him off and blocked him from exiting at Unser. Garcia told authorities he threw his hands in the air and gestured toward the driver, calling him, "f***ing idiot."
Garcia then observed the driver pull into the far south lane approaching the driver's side of his vehicle. According to the complaint, the driver said something and Garcia accelerated his vehicle to put distance between the two vehicles.
Garcia said he then heard two shots strike his truck and his 7-year-old son say, "she's bleeding."
The complaint states Garcia heard a third shot and began to swerve and accelerate in an attempt to distance himself from the other vehicle. The Toyota continued to pursue them westbound and Garcia slammed on his brakes. As the Toyota passed, Garcia heard another shot.
Garcia stopped his truck in the shoulder and called 911 as he attempted to render aid to his daughter, who had been shot in the head. The child later died at UNM Hospital.
The next morning, police received a call from an anonymous person who identified the shooter as Tony Torrez.
Torrez allegedly told the tipster that he shot the girl on I-40. The tipster gave police two possible addresses for Torrez.
Wednesday afternoon, officers arrested Torrez near Central and Sunset. He is being held on a $650,000 cash-only bond at the Metropolitan Detention Center.
Torrez is scheduled to face a judge Thursday afternoon.
A candlelight vigil will take place for Lilly Saturday at Civic Plaza in Albuquerque at 6:30 p.m. More information on the vigil is available here.
A GoFundMe page has been set up for the family.
mynameiskat
Brown Chicken Brown Cow
If I knew that my husband pulled that crap with my kids in the car it would be divorced time
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amac
Trusted Member
I should probably clarify. I actually do agree that it was more than likely road rage and it's very possible the father could have done something to set the creep off. Anything from being blatantly rude in traffic, to next to nothing (a merge that's a little too close, a glance at the driver, a completely innocent driving mistake). I'm just saying that the kind of personality that would resort to shooting someone on a hwy for any perceived offense is definitely also capable of being crazy enough to not need any provocation.
biteme
The Rev, Molon labe
Fathers version is very self-serving, makes me feel he's an over all asshole and the money's not going to the sons therapy
Father was more interested in lying and removing any blame from himself, then finding the shooter
witness has a deferent version of events
Father was more interested in lying and removing any blame from himself, then finding the shooter
witness has a deferent version of events
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amac
Trusted Member
Thank you so much for this info. I couldn't agree more, if that's all the poor man did I think it's terrible for people to be blaming him. Throwing your hands up and saying "f***ing idiot" must happen a million times a day on hwys all across the US, yet sane people who don't have the mental capacity of an ameoba don't shoot others over it! Plus it sounds like the father's reaction was well deserved because this asshole instigated such aggressive behavior. Of course I'm going off the assumtion here that his version of events is accurate. If it turns out otherwise I may have to change my stance.
I want to hug the anonymous caller who turned his ass in!!!! Without them this very easily could have wound up a cold case. I hope they fry him.
It just breaks my heart because even if others weren't blaming Alan, you have to imagine he's blaming himself and will relive those few small choices and moments for the rest of his life. I feel so terrible for him and his family! RIP sweet darlin.
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biteme
The Rev, Molon labe
You related to the father? You only seem to be interested in his version of eventsThank you so much for this info. I couldn't agree more, if that's all the poor man did I think it's terrible for people to be blaming him. Throwing your hands up and saying "f***ing idiot" must happen a million times a day on hwys all across the US, yet sane people who don't have the mental capacity of an ameoba don't shoot others over it! Plus it sounds like the father's reaction was well deserved because this asshole instigated such aggressive behavior. Of course I'm going off the assumtion here that his version of events is accurate. If it turns out otherwise I may have to change my stance.
I want to hug the anonymous caller who turned his ass in!!!! Without them this very easily could have wound up a cold case. I hope they fry him.
It just breaks my heart because even if others weren't blaming Alan, you have to imagine he's blaming himself and will relive those few small choices and moments for the rest of his life. I feel so terrible for him and his family! RIP sweet darlin.
amac
Trusted Member
I wrote that while you were posting about the witnesses version of events, so by the time I hit post I'd missed that info entirely. Secondly, did you miss what I said? I'll say it again...
Of course I'm going off the assumtion here that his version of events is accurate. If it turns out otherwise I may have to change my stance.
I'm interested in the truth, that's all, but her post was the only updated info I had to go off of. Regardless, in honesty I do think it's pretty callous that you're so keen to character assasinate the dad before all the dust has settled. It seems almost like you're defending the attacker as justified.
Maybe you think I'm crazy for feeling compassion, but in my opinion, even if that father was being a total agressive asshole in traffic it still doesn't mean he deserved to lose his daughter. Stupid, yes, warranted... no. I'm certain he never imagined the potential consequences of his anger and I see nothing wrong with feeling compassion for a family going thru the worst thing imaginable.
Lauralye
Well-Known Member
I should have also mentioned the funeral home has offered to cover it all .. This information was in the comments a couple of hours after the go fund me account was set up ... They are at 77 thousand and as far as I can tell.. They still have not updated it and made it known the funeral home
Has donated all its services..
I don't like the message this is sending all these hot heads out there.. The dad was a dumb ass for behaving like he did .. No his daughter did not deserve to be murdered .. But he does bare some responsibility for putting his daughter in a crazy situatiin. and throwing 77 thousand to him after his behaviour seems almost like rewarding him for being a idiot.... Idk the whole situation should never have happened.. Rip lilly
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Keepalowprofile
Nothing changes when nothing changes.
Maybe the shooter should start a go fund me page for legal fees.
:sarcasm:
I don't know why so many people are getting worked up about the money, it seems the higher it goes the less compassion goes.
One thing everyone needs to keep in mind, the go fund me $$$ is people donating, they can read and watch the news and the money is still pouring in.
No one has the right to start scrutinize the go fund me account.
A donation is a donation.
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I don't know why so many people are getting worked up about the money, it seems the higher it goes the less compassion goes.
One thing everyone needs to keep in mind, the go fund me $$$ is people donating, they can read and watch the news and the money is still pouring in.
No one has the right to start scrutinize the go fund me account.
A donation is a donation.
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