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DCFS investigates deaths of 5-month-old twins in Little Village home
May 10, 2012
The deaths of 5-month-old twins in their Little Village home are being investigated by child welfare officials, who say they already had been looking into allegations of neglect involving the babies last month.

Jimmie Whitelow, a spokesman for the Department of Children and Family Services, would not give any details of the allegations.

The babies’ mother, Victoria Rodriguez, said Thursday evening that DCFS was investigating because the family missed a medical appointment for the twins, who were born premature.

The babies, Julian and Giselle Romero, were found unresponsive in their crib about 10 a.m. in the family's home in the 4100 block of West 25th Street, police said. Autopsies are scheduled for Friday, and police said they were conducting a death investigation.

DCFS also is investigating the deaths and said it has had contact with the family since March of 2011, when the agency determined that an allegation of abuse involving an older child was credible, according to Whitelow.

Whitelow said the allegations were against two male relatives of the child.
[...]
Rodriguez said the March allegation involved a relative.

On April 9, 2012 the agency began an investigation into an allegation of neglect against the parents of the babies.

Rodriguez, 19, said that investigation began when she missed an appointment at a medical clinic because their father had gotten his driver’s license suspended.

Rodriguez said the twins were born premature and suffered from “development issues.’’

When asked why the twins weren’t taken from their custody after the April allegation, Whitelow said the investigation was still ongoing.

“Well, first of all you have only a pending allegation, and it’s an allegation from April, of neglect,’’ Whitelow said. “That allegation itself might not have warranted the removal of those children.’’

According to Rodriguez, the March 2011 probe began because a relative “tried to choke’’ their child, a girl who was 7 months old at the time.
http://www.wgntv.com/news/local/bre...-little-village-home-20120510,0,6628820.story
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Giselle and Julian Romero​

Twins found dead in crib
DCFS had reports of abuse and neglect

May 11 2012
[...]
The twins’ father, Josue Romero says his wife, Victoria, found their twins, who were a week shy of turning 6-months-old, dead Thursday morning in the crib the infants shared. He said their mother had tried and failed to revive them and appeared to be in a state of shock when he returned from taking the couple's other children to school.

“I came home and I saw my children like that, and my wife, startled,â€￾ said Romero. “She didn't know what to do. She's trying to give my kids some mouth to mouth and then when I checked the babies they were blue.â€￾

[...]
http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-twi...d-in-crib-20120510,0,1346066.story?hpt=ju_bn5
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Josue Romero​
 
I wanna say wait to pass judgment but this just STINKS! Twins dead in their crib? What happened simultaneous SIDS? I fucking doubt it... The mom did it at least that's what I'm thinking right now.
 
Autopsies on 5-month-old twins found dead in their Little Village
home were inconclusive, and the cause of their deaths are "pending further studies," the Cook County medical examiner's office says.

Four other children living in the home have been placed in "protective custody" while authorities investigate the deaths, according to Kendall Marlowe, a spokesman for the state Department of Children and Family Services.

The babies, Julian and Giselle Romero, were found unresponsive in their crib Thursday morning in the family's home in the 4100 block of West 25th Street, police said.

Their mother, Victoria Rodriguez, 19, said she woke up early and put a blanket on them. When she went to check on the babies at 8:30 a.m., Rodriguez said the blanket was covering their heads and they weren’t moving. "I moved the blanket. They didn’t move at all,â€￾ she said. “I think that that they suffocated.â€￾

[...]

cont'd
Could be anyone in the home. 2 males were being looked at for possible earlier allegations. An older sibling was also part of the investigation of "credible" abuse towards the babies. Mother, curious how she says "i think that they suffocated". sigh. what an absolute fail for those little ones.

Rest in peace babies Julian and Giselle Romero.
 
I can't remember shame on me but are babies supposed to lie on their tummies or backs to prevent SIDS? My booger always slept on his tummy with his but in the air and his blanket over his head or close to it anyway. How many kids does she have? Was she staying with the asshole who allegedly choked her other baby? Too much what the fuck for me in this case.
I'm apart of Generation Now so it's hard for me to sit on my hands and wait for answers. Like Marcellus said in Hamlet "something is rotten in the state of Denmark," and I wanna know what!
RIP little angels
 
I can't remember shame on me but are babies supposed to lie on their tummies or backs to prevent SIDS? My booger always slept on his tummy with his but in the air and his blanket over his head or close to it anyway. How many kids does she have? Was she staying with the asshole who allegedly choked her other baby? Too much what the fuck for me in this case.
I'm apart of Generation Now so it's hard for me to sit on my hands and wait for answers. Like Marcellus said in Hamlet "something is rotten in the state of Denmark," and I wanna know what!
RIP little angels

backs or sides but they fucking change it so often I cant keep up
 
Twins wouldnt succumb to SIDs at the same time would they?

So I had to go look and found out it does happen but rarely it seems. No newer studies were published or available.

Comments from Henry Krous, M.D.

Although simultaneous death in twins supposedly secondary to SIDS has been reported, the statistical probability of such an occurrence is extraordinarily low, even remote. Therefore meticulous death scene investigation and postmortem examination are critically important (as in single deaths as well) in order to try and understand the cause and manner of such deaths. It is erroneous and unfair and even prejudicial, in my opinion, to assume such cases are a result of homicide. Environmental and toxicological causes must be ruled out. Given that they may be, in the absence of overt evidence of murder, then a diagnosis of undetermined is probably the wisest choice, hoping further information will come to light at a future date.
http://sids-network.org/experts/simultaneous.htm

Between 1976 and 1978 a volunteer "family study questionnaire" was submitted to parents of multiples. Of the 1,263 families who responded, 69 families lost a twin or triplet to SIDS and in 3 of these cases a co-twin subsequently died of SIDS. The time interval between these SIDS deaths' was 26, 46, and 171 days (C.L.I.M.B).

Therefore, the rate of concordancy for losing a co-twin to SIDS, given that one twin has died of SIDS is 2.8 percent, meaning that 1 in every 125 families will experience the death of one twin to SIDS while 1 in every 4,460 families will experience the death of both twins to SIDS (Beal 1044).

The simultaneous death of both twins raises suspicion toward the parents or care givers. Dr. John E. Smialek, is considered to be a well-known expert in the studies of Simultaneous SIDS in twins. In his studies, he has encountered several cases of simultaneous SIDS as a respected Medical Examiner in the Baltimore, Maryland area. He has personally worked on 9 of these cases.

In Wayne County, Mi., two cases of simultaneous SIDS occurred within 5 years of each other. During the first case the death of the twins resulted in an atmosphere of intense suspicion of the parents that was verbalized by members of the medical community and other person who were unaware of this medical phenomenon. The twins' deaths were labeled as SIDS after intense investigations involving both local police agencies and the medical examiner.

After numerous tests came back negative, the cause of death was listed as SIDS (Smialek 817). When simultaneous twin deaths occurred in Detroit 5 years later, it was investigated in the same thorough manner but, with much less suspicion. Days after the second case was made public, calls were received from investigators in other states who had just completed investigations concerning the death of both twins. In all cases reported, the cause of death was determined to be SIDS (818).

Although SIDS is now widely accepted as a condition that parents have no power to predict or prevent, the occurrence of the simultaneous death of infant twins is a phenomenon that still evokes bewilderment and suspicion. This phenomenon has received little previous attention in the United States and also has been documented in Europe by researchers in Sweden, England, and Germany. It is unknown the exact number of both twins dying simultaneously world-wide but, a good estimate is approximately 60 infants or 30 pairs of twins who have died from this phenomenon. It is the very quality of being a twin which somehow or other is combined with a predisposition to sudden, unexplained death. (Smialek 816)

As a mother who has experienced the loss of both twins to SIDS, I feel the subject of twins and SIDS needs to be brought to the attention of medical personnel world-wide. Not only have my family and I been devastated by the loss of our healthy babies, we have endured intense suspicion in our community. Losing a child is probably the worst pain any person can endure and to be placed under suspicion severely hinders the healing process. Medical personnel and police investigators need to be aware that they are dealing with families who have suffered the pain of losing a child not only once but twice, and investigations need to be handled very carefully and with the utmost concern for the families.
She doesnt say if she lost both twins at once, I dont get the idea that she did.

http://sids-network.org/fp/wood_marla10.htm

Perhaps the most critical component in SIDS prevention is infant sleep prevention. As trends in baby care have transitioned from putting babies to sleep on their backs rather thatn on their stomachs, the incidence of SIDS has significantly decreased. From 1992 to 1998, the percentage of infants sleeping on their stomachs decreased from more than 70 percent to about 20 percent. During the same period, the number of SIDS deaths declined by almost half. The American Academy of Pediatrics states that back sleeping is the preferred sleep position for babies.

"Always place your babies on their backs to sleep, for naps and at night. The back sleep position is the safest, and every sleep time counts." --National Institute of Chlid Health & Human Development-

Many parents are frustrated or concerned by the recommendation to put babies to sleep on their backs. What if they choke? Won't it create flat spots on the back of their heads? What if they roll over? Rest assured. Healthy babies will automatically swallow or cough up fluids; there's no connection between back sleeping and choking.
http://multiples.about.com/od/medicalissues/a/Sidstwins.htm
 
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backs or sides but they fucking change it so often I cant keep up

My kid was just stubborn I guess. I put him to sleep on his back and I'd wake up to find him on his tummy.
Also I wanna say kudos to mom's who sleep in the same room with their babies. I couldn't do it until he got older, like at least one years old. When he was first born all we could afford was a 1bdr n a duplex so his crib was right next to the bed. Talk about a tight fit lol. He would go to sleep and as soon as I would come in the room he'd get to tossing and turning then finally he would wake up bawling his eyes out. He sleeps like a demon and I just could not have him on top of me at night so I let him and his dad have the bed.
I was so glad when we could finally afford a 2bdr lol.
 
My kid was just stubborn I guess. I put him to sleep on his back and I'd wake up to find him on his tummy.
Also I wanna say kudos to mom's who sleep in the same room with their babies. I couldn't do it until he got older, like at least one years old. When he was first born all we could afford was a 1bdr n a duplex so his crib was right next to the bed. Talk about a tight fit lol. He would go to sleep and as soon as I would come in the room he'd get to tossing and turning then finally he would wake up bawling his eyes out. He sleeps like a demon and I just could not have him on top of me at night so I let him and his dad have the bed.
I was so glad when we could finally afford a 2bdr lol.

mine were all side sleepers with a roll to keep them on their sides b/c my dr always told me sides in Ireland where hes from
 
I was told to keep my youngest on his back. So it's the back now, for who knows how long. And no bumper pads or blankets.

We use bumper pads and baby DEMANDS a blankie. He holds it over his own face, like his momma does.
 
I was told to keep my youngest on his back. So it's the back now, for who knows how long. And no bumper pads or blankets.

We use bumper pads and baby DEMANDS a blankie. He holds it over his own face, like his momma does.
Yeah it's been on the back for sometime. According to research, the safest position so that baby can "clear" his breath and take in fresh air unobstructed and not overheat.
Anyway, that's the way it's been told since 1994 since AAP put out the "Back to Sleep" campaign. Was so hard to keep my 1st born on his back he loved being on his side and of course his blankie.
 
I figured it didn't matter so much once the baby was able to roll by him/herself. Of course, by then, they were accustomed to being on their backs, so it wasn't much of a deal.
 
Many parents are frustrated or concerned by the recommendation to put babies to sleep on their backs. What if they choke? Won't it create flat spots on the back of their heads? What if they roll over? Rest assured. Healthy babies will automatically swallow or cough up fluids; there's no connection between back sleeping and choking.

I guess the expert here has never walked in on a child choking on their own "spit up" A little spit up sure they will swallow and can cough back up but what about babies with digestive issues that cause them to spit up half a bottle or more at a time? My 1st born before I found out she needed soy formula would puke up a half a bottle at times. I mean lots and lots of fluid. Not just a little spit up. Often because of her intolerance it would be curdled coming back up. I walked in on her choking and litterally gagging one time and that was the end of back sleep for me. She had so much of it she couldn't swallow it and she couldn't roll yet so she just laid there choking. I still can't remember why I went back into the room a little while after putting her to bed but I honestly think she would have choked to death had I not.

Maybe that's why the suggest side to sleep or at one point did just in case a baby spit up like that.
 
[MENTION=7276]VAS1326[/MENTION] Oh I believe you, my youngest did the same thing, take an hour to drink half a bottle and them projectile vomit it across the room, went on like that until he was about 15 months old, every type of formula I gavehim, he did best on pet milk, but that smelled the worst. It was horrendous, Our choices were to have surgery that may or may not correct the problem that he may or may not have or just keep feeding him even when he threw it all up so he didn't start losing weight. I must have did something right, cause he 27 and healthy now, but I didn't think we would get thru his infancy with our sanity intact. This baby never slept on his back either, he would have choked to death at some point, if I just done what I was told and not used my brain to reason it out.

Thing is babies are very resilient and even if you are only half assed trying they will more than likely thrive. So I guess my point is that the level care must have very bad on some of the cases that we read about on here.

I shouldn't post this late at night, I'm fuzzy brained. Good night all.
 
[MENTION=958]cubby[/MENTION] I think parenting comes down to common sense a lot of the time. As a parent you got to decide what's right for your child and excute those choices as safely as possible. The experts do know somethings but I think when it comes to kids there is no one size fits all approach. I know each of my kids have and are different and respond differently to a variety of things, and they are similar in some ways as well.

I do think what a lot of the parents we see on here lack is common sense or complete lack of effort. Some just don't care or have really fucked up priorities. The kids are the one's who end up paying the ultimate price.
 
I haven't posted in a while because these stories be so sad. My comments lean more towards DCF. I feel people who take social work jobs should be screened as well. Some social workers do not care to help these kids and put them in more danger than they previously were. So many cases like this happen here in Boston, and its sad to read so many problems yet DCF still places them back in the home. I feel bad for the father who had to come home to see his twins dead.
 
[MENTION=958]cubby[/MENTION] I think parenting comes down to common sense a lot of the time. As a parent you got to decide what's right for your child and excute those choices as safely as possible. The experts do know somethings but I think when it comes to kids there is no one size fits all approach. I know each of my kids have and are different and respond differently to a variety of things, and they are similar in some ways as well.

I do think what a lot of the parents we see on here lack is common sense or complete lack of effort. Some just don't care or have really fucked up priorities. The kids are the one's who end up paying the ultimate price.


[MENTION=958]cubby[/MENTION] and [MENTION=7276]VAS1326[/MENTION] I so agree with both of you guys. When my son was born he weighed 9 lbs 2 oz, when he went back for his 2 week well-baby he weighed 7 lbs. He had failure to thrive and I was scared to death. Every time I gave him a bottle it dribbled right back out of his mouth, he was barely getting any formula in. Doctors suggested everything, we switched formulas, switched ways I held him when I fed him, started feeding him every 2 hrs instead of every 4, nothing was working. Doctors do know some stuff, but parents know things that doctors don't as well, I went to Wal-Mart and bought an orthopedic nipple, cost me 3.00, that was the only thing I hadn't tried. It worked!

The doctor had never even thought about changing the nipple, mom did. My son would have been admitted to the hospital on the next visit if he wasn't showing improvement and I solved the mystery with a 3.00 nipple. He just couldn't latch on properly to a regular nipple, doctor never even thought of it...moms sometimes just know best.
 
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