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Man Kills Toddler, "forces" Mom To Help Bury Her

terri101 said:
how can chris's mother be so forgiving saw she posted a pic of Alexis tylea an Chris a few hours ago
if that was my grandbaby an I was in the same situation I would also be facing a capital murder charge
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I agree with you, I sure wouldn't be so forgiving. I get the impression she is a very gentle and kind person and her faith is very important. She feels only God can judge AB and without knowing all the facts, that is true. I'm sure the Moore family has more details than we do. Only JB and AB know what happened that day and who knows which one of them is telling the truth. All I know is that baby is dead and they BOTH are to blame! I think AB spent quite a bit of time with Chris' family at their home. I've heard Marie often referred to AB as her daughter-in-law. Things may change as more details come out. *Shrugs*
 
penelopejo said:
So they buried her body? Or was this a visitation without the body?
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That, I don't know. All I know is a friend of mine who works with Marie asked for prayers for the family and said the grand-daughter was finally laid to rest, today. I have to say, for a small town, it has been very hush-hush. I respect their desire for privacy.
 
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Chris' mom must still believe that Alexis wasn't involved because her facebook cover photo is a picture of Chris, Alexis, and Tylea when the couple was probably still together :/

ETA Tylea looks to be a well taken care of baby before Josh was in the picture....
 
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Doesn't matter if the mother was innocent or not in anyone's eyes. She was guilty for staying close to him after the initial abuse. He on the other hand is a different story. There has been a lot of talk recently about the man that was executed this past week by lethal injection and that it took over an hour for him to die. Many capital punishment opponents (and I went law school with quite a few of this type) say that his death was a clear example of cruel and unusual punishment and therefore unconstitutional. I, as a father of of beautiful 16 month old daughter, have a difference of opinion.

Our country has lost its balls, and therein lies the first problem with the deterrence factor of our current justice system. Joshua Markus Beard's death should fit that of his crime and multiplied by a factor of 2. The Chinese had a capitol punishment method that struck fear into anyone that would think to do something like what Joshua did to a child. Since Joshua's crime was in the state of Texas (the state known for its use of the electric chair) he will hopefully be put to death, but it will be too quick. He should be turned over to the grandparents and father of Tylea and let them do what they will. The result of which should be broadcasted for all to see. His death should be slow and as painful as possible and should serve as an example. An eye for an eye. This story haunts me every time I look at my daughter now and see how much she resembles Tylea. It is amazing the type of evil that there is in this world.
 
Dean Friedland said:
Doesn't matter if the mother was innocent or not in anyone's eyes. She was guilty for staying close to him after the initial abuse. He on the other hand is a different story. There has been a lot of talk recently about the man that was executed this past week by lethal injection and that it took over an hour for him to die. Many capital punishment opponents (and I went law school with quite a few of this type) say that his death was a clear example of cruel and unusual punishment and therefore unconstitutional. I, as a father of of beautiful 16 month old daughter, have a difference of opinion.

Our country has lost its balls, and therein lies the first problem with the deterrence factor of our current justice system. Joshua Markus Beard's death should fit that of his crime and multiplied by a factor of 2. The Chinese had a capitol punishment method that struck fear into anyone that would think to do something like what Joshua did to a child. Since Joshua's crime was in the state of Texas (the state known for its use of the electric chair) he will hopefully be put to death, but it will be too quick. He should be turned over to the grandparents and father of Tylea and let them do what they will. The result of which should be broadcasted for all to see. His death should be slow and as painful as possible and should serve as an example. An eye for an eye. This story haunts me every time I look at my daughter now and see how much she resembles Tylea. It is amazing the type of evil that there is in this world.
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I absolutely agree!!!
 
[Q="Dean Friedland, post: 795028, member: 22433"]Doesn't matter if the mother was innocent or not in anyone's eyes. She was guilty for staying close to him after the initial abuse. He on the other hand is a different story. There has been a lot of talk recently about the man that was executed this past week by lethal injection and that it took over an hour for him to die. Many capital punishment opponents (and I went law school with quite a few of this type) say that his death was a clear example of cruel and unusual punishment and therefore unconstitutional. I, as a father of of beautiful 16 month old daughter, have a difference of opinion.

Our country has lost its balls, and therein lies the first problem with the deterrence factor of our current justice system. Joshua Markus Beard's death should fit that of his crime and multiplied by a factor of 2. The Chinese had a capitol punishment method that struck fear into anyone that would think to do something like what Joshua did to a child. Since Joshua's crime was in the state of Texas (the state known for its use of the electric chair) he will hopefully be put to death, but it will be too quick. He should be turned over to the grandparents and father of Tylea and let them do what they will. The result of which should be broadcasted for all to see. His death should be slow and as painful as possible and should serve as an example. An eye for an eye. This story haunts me every time I look at my daughter now and see how much she resembles Tylea. It is amazing the type of evil that there is in this world.[/QUOTE]
I wish they would punish them the way they did poor Tylea. I do not understand how people can preach about the death penalty being inhumane. The ones that received that punishment are deserving, we're they humane when they killed, raped, etc??
 
The reason the death penalty has to be humane (if we must have it at all, - and I tend to think it cheapens life to have it on the books) is that we need to be better than the criminals.

I understand why everybody is baying for Josh's and Alexis' blood, though. I understand those who would want them to suffer, too. I just don't see how any suffering inflicted on them can ever begin to make up for what they put Tylea through and the indignity they heaped on her remains. As I see it, revenge, while the desire for it is perfectly understandable, only diminishes Tylea's memory.
 
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@Abroad - I fully appreciate your point of view on the subject. I myself would love an opportunity to take a shovel upside both of their heads, but I know it will not bring atonement for their transgressions. (it would make ME feel a lot better though!)

One of the reasons that I support the death penalty in certain cases is that I do not want scum like this to ever have the opportunity to breathe the fresh air of freedom ever again. The longer they live, the higher the chance of them being paroled and released.

I accept that this is an emotional response rather than a judicial one, but I am okay with that as well. These so-called people do not deserve an opportunity to experience any type of joy or happiness, since they stripped that poor child of her entire life and any chance of being joyful or happy.
 
eracsurfer said:
@Abroad
One of the reasons that I support the death penalty in certain cases is that I do not want scum like this to ever have the opportunity to breathe the fresh air of freedom ever again. The longer they live, the higher the chance of them being paroled and released.

I accept that this is an emotional response rather than a judicial one, but I am okay with that as well. These so-called people do not deserve an opportunity to experience any type of joy or happiness, since they stripped that poor child of her entire life and any chance of being joyful or happy.
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I agreewith you, @eracsurfer - but I don't think your response is purely emotional (it completely syncs with the four prevailing theories on the purpose of criminal sanctions: deterrence, incapacitation, rehabilitation, and retribution). There are people who support and/or refute some of these theories, but I think all are good reasons. Retribution has always been around (eye-for-an-eye) and I think it's a legitimate basis for criminal punishment. Certainly there are cases that make you question what would be an appropriate punishment, but then cases like this roll around and that argument flies out the window.
 
Umm!!!
Aside from the whole "better than the criminals" thing, money should be a factor too.
Our country is in the hole by trillions of dollars, people are unemployed and earning crappy jobs. The taxes that pay to house, feed, clothe these fuckers, and the cost for the execution could be better used if we just took them out back and shot them execution style.
 
I think if executions were used more often, people would be less likely to commit these crimes. I'm in my 30s and have never heard about an execution in the news until a couple of days ago, I honestly didn't even know they still did that.
 
anndroyd10 said:
I think if executions were used more often, people would be less likely to commit these crimes. I'm in my 30s and have never heard about an execution in the news until a couple of days ago, I honestly didn't even know they still did that.
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You've lead a sheltered existence.....

The problem with the death penalty as deterrent is that none of the people who commit these crimes expect to get caught.
 
Abroad said:
The problem with the death penalty as deterrent is that none of the people who commit these crimes expect to get caught.
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Or they don't give a shit. If you're willing to take the risk for life in prison I don't see how execution is any worse than locked up for life. I'd probably rather be put down over spending life in jail.

anndroyd10 said:
I think if executions were used more often, people would be less likely to commit these crimes.
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There have been many studies showing that the death penalty hasn't had a significant impact on deterring crime. Of course most articles are biased one way or another but most of them that I've read that are based on statistics over emotions suggest that it does little to nothing for crime prevention. I don't have a specific one to link to but browse around, you'll find lots of journals about it.

ETA: Here's a fairly good paper on the statistics against the crime deterrence aspect of the death penalty: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articles/JLpaper.pdf
 
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I'm not so sure about the being better than the criminals thingy. I believe that killing someone for killing someone sorta puts us in the same boat, regardless of the reasons for doing so. Don't get me wrong, I'd kill that fukn prick without thinking twice about it if I thought for one second he harmed my kid, but I'd be no better than him .
 
I am absolutely 100% pro-death penalty. I have read the stats on deterrence and recividism and I am also very aware that death penalty cases from start to finish (execution) are much, much more expensive. But here is my thought on it, while overall it is not a deterrent according to studies, it is absolutely 100% a deterrent for that particulart murderer after the execution.
 
Oooo, what a fucking backhanded way to list survivors.

Tylea-Marisol Grace Moore
December 31, 2012 - July 7, 2014 WEATHERFORD -- Tylea-Marisol Grace Moore, 1 year old, passed away Monday, July 7, 2014.
Funeral: Has been held in White's Chapel of Memories. Interment: Memory Gardens of the Valley.

Tylea-Marisol Grace Moore was born Dec. 31, 2012, in Weatherford, daughter of Chris Moore and Alexis Botello. She loved TV shows, especially "Dora the Explorer" and "Sofia the First" and really loved making wishes as she would blow on dandelions. Tylea had a cute personality and loved everybody. She liked to dance and make silly faces and adored her "Lambie."

Survivors: Parents, Chris Moore and Alexis Botello; grandparents, Mike Moore, Mary Moore and Angela Botello, all of Weatherford, and Ricardo Botello and wife, Cristin, of San Antonio; great-grandparents, Forrest and Marjorie King of Weatherford, Mackey and Pat Moore of Aledo, and Rick and Dollie Bedwell of Fort Worth; great-great-grandmother, Grandma Love of Florida; and a host of loving aunts, uncles and cousins.

White's Funeral Home
Weatherford, 817-596-4811
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Also, she didn't die on the 7th. She was found on the 7th. Too bad the ME report isn't back yet...
 
spifftastic said:
Or they don't give a shit. If you're willing to take the risk for life in prison I don't see how execution is any worse than locked up for life. I'd probably rather be put down over spending life in jail.



There have been many studies showing that the death penalty hasn't had a significant impact on deterring crime. Of course most articles are biased one way or another but most of them that I've read that are based on statistics over emotions suggest that it does little to nothing for crime prevention. I don't have a specific one to link to but browse around, you'll find lots of journals about it.

ETA: Here's a fairly good paper on the statistics against the crime deterrence aspect of the death penalty: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articles/JLpaper.pdf
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You are absolutely right. The watered down version of the death penalty in the US has no real deterrence factor. And yes killing them cannot replace that beautiful little girl. Public torture on the other hand should be reserved for cases like this. The death penalty should be something that makes a potential murderer shudder. It should be something imprinted in the minds of every person that lives in this country.
 
Krystal said:
I am absolutely 100% pro-death penalty. I have read the stats on deterrence and recividism and I am also very aware that death penalty cases from start to finish (execution) are much, much more expensive. But here is my thought on it, while overall it is not a deterrent according to studies, it is absolutely 100% a deterrent for that particulart murderer after the execution.
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We need an "a-fuckin-men" button
 
My best friend was murdered a few years ago and I was talking to her brother and he said he hopes that the murderer gets the death penalty and I said don't you think he would suffer more if he spends his life in prison? He said if he makes one friend or watches a movie that makes him laugh or enjoys a meal or the weather or looks forward to a visit or gets news that makes him proud then that takes all of the right in the world and makes it ugly.. I didn't (and mostly still don't) believe in the death penalty but that was the only argument for dp that made me really really think.
 
Dean Friedland said:
You are absolutely right. The watered down version of the death penalty in the US has no real deterrence factor. And yes killing them cannot replace that beautiful little girl. Public torture on the other hand should be reserved for cases like this. The death penalty should be something that makes a potential murderer shudder. It should be something imprinted in the minds of every person that lives in this country.
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They won't be deterred by torture either, because murders are generally either spur-of-the-moment or semi-accidental ("I was just beating the baby, I didn't think she was going to die!"), and therefore there's no time to think about potential consequences, or they are meticulously planned by people who fully believe in their own ability to get away with it.
 
kennasmom said:
I was talking to her brother and he said he hopes that the murderer gets the death penalty and I said don't you think he would suffer more if he spends his life in prison? He said if he makes one friend or watches a movie that makes him laugh or enjoys a meal or the weather or looks forward to a visit or gets news that makes him proud then that takes all of the right in the world and makes it ugly..
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Your friend's brother is an extremely intelligent man, that is a beautifully worded argument for the death penalty that I couldn't agree with more.
 
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