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The Yuba County Five.
Lots of clues, no conclusions.
Dreamin Demon members, see if you can offer any insight on this 42 year old bewildering event that took the lives of 4 young men, and one never being found.






The Yuba County Five were young men from Yuba City, California, all with mild intellectual disabilities or psychiatric conditions, who attended a college basketball game at California State University, Chico on the night of February 24, 1978. Afterwards, they stopped at a local market for snacks and drinks. Four of them—Bill Sterling, 29; Jack Huett, 24; Ted Weiher, 32; and Jack Madruga, 30—were later found dead; the fifth, Gary Mathias, 25, has never been found.

Several days after their initial disappearance, their Mercury Montego was found, abandoned, in a remote area of Plumas National Forest on a high mountain dirt road that was far out of their way back to Yuba City. Investigators could not, however, determine why it was abandoned as it could easily have been pushed out of the snowpack it was in, and was in good working order. At that time, no trace of the men was found.

After the snow melted, in June, four of the men's bodies were found in and near a trailer camp used by backpackers as shelter deep in the forest, 20 miles (32 km) from the car.[2] Only bones were left of the three bodies in the woods, a result of scavenging animals, but the one in the trailer, Ted Weiher, had apparently lived for as long as almost three months after the men were last seen, starving to death despite an ample supply of food and heating materials available in it. He was missing his shoes, and investigators found Mathias' own shoes in the nearby woods, suggesting Mathias also survived for some time beyond the last night they were seen alive.

A witness later came forward, a local man who said he had spent the same night in his own car a short distance away from where the Montego was found, after suffering a mild heart attack trying to push it out of the snow. He told police that he had seen and heard people around the car that night, and twice called for help, only for them to grow silent and turn off their flashlights. This, and the considerable distance from the car to where the bodies were found, has led to suspicions of foul play.

Background
During his Army service in West Germany in the early 1970s, Gary Mathias, a Yuba City native, had developed drug problems. These eventually led to his being diagnosed with schizophrenia and being psychiatrically discharged. He returned to his parents' home in California and began treatment at a local mental hospital. While it had been difficult at first—he was nearly arrested for assault twice and often suffered psychotic episodes that landed him in a local Veterans Administration hospital—by 1978 he was being treated on an outpatient basis with Stelazine and Cogentin and was considered by his physicians to be "one of our sterling success cases."

Mathias supplemented his Army disability pay by working in his stepfather's gardening business. Off the job, outside of his family, he was close friends with four other men, most slightly older than him, who either had slight intellectual disabilities (Sterling and Huett) or were informally considered "slow learners" (Weiher and Madruga, also an Army veteran) and who lived either in Yuba City or nearby Marysville. Like Mathias, each man lived with their parents, all of whom referred to them collectively as "the boys".


Yuba City is located in Northern California



The five men's favorite leisure activity was sports. Their families said that when they got together, it was usually to play a game or to watch one. They played basketball together as the Gateway Gators, a team sponsored by a local program for the mentally handicapped.

On February 25, the Gators were due to play their first game in a weeklong tournament sponsored by the Special Olympics for which the winners would get a free week in Los Angeles. The five men had prepared the night before, some even laying out their uniforms and asking parents to wake them up on time. They decided to drive to Chico that night to cheer on the UC Davis basketball team in an away game against Chico State.[4] Madruga, the only member of the group besides Mathias who had a driver's license, drove the group 50 miles (80 km) north to Chico in his turquoise and white 1969 Mercury Montego. The men wore only light coats against the cool temperatures in the upper Sacramento Valley at night that time of year.

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MYSTERY

'Bizarre as Hell': The Disappearance of the Yuba County Five
BY JAKE ROSSEN
MARCH 16, 2018

Joe Shones was having a heart attack. The 55-year-old Californian had felt fine just a few minutes previously, navigating his Volkswagen on a desolate mountain road near Rogers Cow Camp in the Plumas National Forest to see if weather conditions were good enough to bring his family along for a weekend excursion the following day. But as he drove further into the night, snowdrifts slowed his tires. When he got out to push his car, the exertion brought on a searing pain in his chest. It was February 24, 1978, and Shones was miles from help.
As he sat in his car wondering what to do, he noticed two sets of headlights, one belonging to a pickup truck. Hoping he could flag down the passerby, he exited his vehicle and began screaming for help. He would later say he saw a group of men, one woman, and a baby. They continues walking, ignoring him. Hours later, back inside his car, he saw what he thought were flashlights. When he went back outside to yell into the darkness, no one responded to the sound of his voice.
Hours into his ordeal and with his car still stuck and now out of gas, Shones felt well enough to begin walking down the mountain road and toward a lodge roughly eight miles away. He passed a 1969 Mercury Montego, but the vehicle had no occupants. Perhaps, Shones thought, it belonged to the group he had seen earlier.
At the time, Shones was preoccupied with his own emergency. But authorities would later realize the biggest story to emerge from that dark, desolate road wasn't his brush with death. It was the fact that Shones had likely wound up being the last person to see Ted Weiher, Gary Mathias, Jack Madruga, Jack Huett, and Bill Sterling alive.
FIVE BELOVED "BOYS"
How these five men came to be on an inhospitable mountain road more than 50 miles from their homes in and around Marysville and Yuba City, California, was just one of the mysteries surrounding their disappearance. None of them was known to have any business on that part of the mountain. All five had intellectual disabilities or psychiatric issues to various degrees; all of them lived with family, who kept a close eye on them. They were often lovingly referred to as “boys,” despite being from 24 to 32 years of age. An impromptu road trip was definitely out of character.
If authorities couldn’t make any sense of how the group's day had ended on February 24, they at least had some idea of how it began. Madruga, who owned the Mercury, drove his four friends to a collegiate basketball game at the California State University, Chico. All were fervent basketball fans, and even had a game of their own scheduled for the following day, playing on a team representing the rehabilitation center they all frequented.
At 32, Weiher was the oldest, a former janitor who was closest to the youngest of the group, 24-year-old Huett. Sterling and Madruga, an Army veteran, were another set of best friends. Mathias had been in the Army, too, but was discharged because of psychiatric problems. He was schizophrenic, a condition controlled by medication he hadn’t bothered to bring along. There was no reason to believe he wouldn’t be home in time for his next dose.
The game ended around 10 p.m. The “boys” stopped at a convenience store for junk food: Hostess pies, soda, candy bars. All five piled back into the Mercury and took off. But instead of driving south toward their homes roughly 50 miles away, they inexplicably drove east. And they traveled for a very long time. When Shones spotted their abandoned Mercury, the car had been driven roughly 70 miles away from the Chico basketball game.



Disappearance
After the Davis team won the game, the group got back into Madruga's car and drove a short distance from the Chico State campus to Behr's Market in downtown Chico. There they bought snacks along with sodas and cartons of milk to drink. It was shortly before the store's 10 p.m. closing time; the clerk later remembered them because she resented that such a large group had come in and delayed her from starting the process of closing.

None of them were seen alive again after that point. At their homes, some of the men's parents had stayed up to make sure they returned. When morning came and they had not, police were notified.

Investigation
Police in Butte and Yuba counties began searching along the route the men took to Chico. They found no sign of them, but a few days later a Plumas National Forest ranger told investigators that he had seen the Montego parked along Oroville-Quincy Road in the forest on February 25. At the time he had not considered it significant, since many residents often drove up there into the Sierra Nevada on winter weekends to go cross-country skiing on the extensive trail system, but after he read the missing persons bulletin he recognized the car and led the deputies to it on February 28.

Discovery of the car
Inside the car was evidence suggesting the men had been in it between when they were last seen and when it was abandoned. The wrappers and empty cartons and cans they had purchased in Chico were present, along with programs from the basketball game they had watched and a neatly folded road map of California. But the discovery of the car raised more questions than it answered.

The first was its location, 70 miles (110 km) from Chico, far off any direct route to Yuba City or Marysville. None of the men's families could speculate as to why they might have driven up a long and winding dirt road on a winter night deep into a high-elevation remote forest, without any extra clothing and on the night before a basketball game they had been talking excitedly about among themselves for several weeks. Madruga's parents said he did not like the cold weather and had never been up into the mountains. Sterling's father had once taken his son to the area near where the car was found for a fishing weekend, but the younger man had not enjoyed it and remained at home when his father took later trips there.

Similarly, police could not figure out why the men had abandoned the car. They had reached 4,400 feet (1,300 m) in elevation along the road, about where the snow line was at that time of year, just short of where the road was closed for the winter. The car had become stuck in some snow drifts, and there was evidence that the wheels had been spun attempting to get out of it. But, police noted, the snow was not so deep that five healthy young men would not have been able to push it out.

The keys were not present, suggesting at first that the car had been abandoned because it might not have been functioning properly, with the intention of returning later with help. But when police hot-wired the car, it started immediately. The gas tank was a quarter full.

The questions continued after police towed the car back to the station for a more thorough examination. The Montego's undercarriage had no dents, gouges or even mud scrapes, not even on its low-hanging muffler, despite having been driven a long distance up a mountain road with many bumps and ruts. Either the driver had been very careful, or it was someone familiar with the road, a familiarity Madruga was not known to have. Nor, his family said, would Madruga have let someone else drive it. But the car also was unlocked and had a window rolled down when it was found, and they also said it was unlike him to leave the car so unsecured.

Efforts to search the vicinity were hampered by a severe snowstorm that day. Two days later, after searchers in Snowcats nearly got lost themselves, further efforts were called off due to the weather. No trace of the men was found other than the car.

Sightings
In response to local media coverage of the case, police received reports of some or all of the men being sighted after they had left Chico, reports of them being seen elsewhere in California or the country. Most were easily dismissed, but two stood out.

Joseph Schons of Sacramento told police he inadvertently wound up spending the night of February 24–25 near where the Montego was found. He had driven up there, where he had a cabin, to check the snowpack in advance of a weekend ski trip with his family. At 5:30 p.m., about 150 feet (46 m) up the road, he, too, had gotten stuck in the snow. In the process of trying to free it, he realized he was beginning to experience the early symptoms of a heart attack and went back in, keeping the engine running to provide heat.

Six hours later, lying in the car and experiencing severe pain, he told police, he saw headlights coming up behind him. Looking out, he saw a car parked behind him, headlights on, with a group of people around it, one of which seemed to him to be a woman holding a baby. He called to them for help, but then they stopped talking and turned their headlights out. Later, he saw more lights from behind him, this time flashlights, that also went out when he called to them.

After that, Schons said at first, he recalled a pickup truck parking 20 feet (6.1 m) behind him briefly, and then continuing on down the road. Later, he clarified to police that he could not be sure of that, since at the time he was almost delirious from the pain he was in. After Schons' car ran out of gas in the early morning hours, his pain subsided enough for him to walk 8 miles (13 km) down the road to a lodge, where the manager drove him back home, passing the abandoned Montego at the point where he had recalled hearing the voices originate from. Doctors later confirmed he had indeed experienced a mild heart attack.

Weiher's mother said ignoring someone's pleas for help was not like her son, if indeed he had been present. She recalled how he and Sterling had helped someone they knew get to the hospital after overdosing on Valium.

The other notable report was from a woman who worked at a store in the small hamlet of Brownsville, 30 miles (48 km) from the spot where the car had been abandoned, which they could have reached had they continued down the road from where they left the car. On March 3, the woman, who saw fliers that had been distributed with the men's picture and information about the $1,215 ($4,800 in modern dollars[8]) reward the families had put, up told deputies that four of them had stopped at the store in a red pickup truck, two days after the disappearance. The store owner corroborated her account.

The woman said she identified the men immediately as from out of the area due to their "big eyes and facial expressions". Two of the men, whom she identified as Huett and Sterling, were in the phone booth outside while the other two went inside. Police said she was "a credible witness" and they took her account seriously.

Additional detail came from the store owner. He told investigators that men whom he believed to be Weiher and Huett came in and bought burritos, chocolate milk and soft drinks. Weiher's brother told the Los Angeles Times that while driving to Brownsville in a different car in apparent ignorance of the basketball game seemed completely out of character for them, the owner's description of the two men's behavior seemed consistent with them, as Weiher would "eat anything he could get his hands on" and was often accompanied by Huett more than any of the other four. However, Huett's brother said Jack hated using telephones to the point that he would handle calls for his brother Jack from the other men in the group.
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Discovery of bodies
With the evidence not pointing to any clear conclusion about what happened the night the men disappeared, police and the families were not ruling out the possibility that the men had met with foul play. The eventual discovery of four of the five men's bodies seemed to suggest otherwise, but raised even more questions about what had happened that night, and whether at least one of them might have been rescued.

On June 4, with most of the higher-elevation snow melted, a group of motorcyclists went to a trailer maintained by the Forest Service at a campsite off the road about 19.4 miles (31.2 km) from where the Montego had been found. A front window had been broken. When they opened the door they were overcome by the odor of what turned out to be a decaying body inside. It was later identified as Weiher's.

Searchers returned to Plumas, following the road between the trailer and the site of the Montego. The next day they found remains later identified as Madruga and Sterling, on opposite sides of the road 11.4 miles (18.3 km) from where the car had been. The former's body had been partially consumed by scavenging animals; only bones remained of the latter, scattered over a small area. Autopsies showed they had both died of hypothermia; deputies speculated that one may have succumbed to the desire for sleep that marks that condition's final stages, and the other refused to leave his side, eventually meeting the same fate.

Two days later, as part of one of the other search parties, Jack Huett's father found his son's backbone under a manzanita bush 2 miles (3.2 km) northeast of the trailer. His shoes and jeans nearby helped identify the body. The next day a deputy sheriff found a skull downhill from the bush, 300 feet (91 m) away, confirmed by dental records later to have been Huett's. His death, too, was attributed to hypothermia.

In an area to the northwest of the trailer, roughly a quarter-mile (400 m) from it, searchers found three Forest Service blankets and a rusted flashlight by the road. It could not be determined how long those items had been there. Since Gary Mathias had presumably not taken his medication, pictures of him were distributed to mental institutions all over California; however, no trace of him has ever been found.

Evidence in trailer
Weiher's body was on a bed with eight sheets wrapped around it, including the head. The autopsy showed that he had died of a combination of starvation and hypothermia. He had lost nearly half his 200 pounds (91 kg); the growth of his beard suggested he had lived as long as 13 weeks from when he had last shaved. His feet were badly frostbitten, almost gangrenous.

On a table next to the bed were some of his personal effects, including his wallet (with cash), a nickel ring with "Ted" engraved on it, and a gold necklace he also wore. Also on the table was a gold watch, without its crystal, which Weiher's family said was not his,[2] and a partially melted candle. He was wearing a velour shirt and lightweight pants, but his shoes could not be found.

Most puzzling to the investigators was how Weiher had come to his fate. No fire had been set in the trailer's fireplace, despite an ample supply of matches and paperback novels to use as kindling. Heavy forestry clothing which could have kept the men warm also remained where it had been stored. A dozen C-ration cans from a storage shed outside had been opened, and their contents consumed, but a locker in the same shed that held an even greater assortment of dehydrated foods, enough to keep all five men fed for a year if that had been necessary, had not even been opened. Similarly, another shed nearby held a butane tank with a valve that, had it been opened, would have fed the trailer's heating system.[2] This behavior, however, was consistent with what Weiher's family members described as a lack of common sense arising from his mental disability; he often questioned why he should stop at a stop sign, and one night he needed to be dragged out of bed while his bedroom ceiling was burning in a house fire since he was worried about missing his job the next day if he left his bed.[9]

It also seemed that Weiher had not been alone in the trailer, and that Mathias and possibly Huett had been there with him. Mathias's tennis sneakers were in the trailer, and the C-rations had been opened with a P-38 can opener, which Mathias would have been familiar with from his military service. Mathias, his feet perhaps also swollen from frostbite, could have decided to put Weiher's shoes on instead if he had ventured outside.[2] The sheets all over Weiher's body also suggested that one of the others had been there with him, as his gangrenous feet would have been in too much pain for him to pull them over his body himself.

Theory
Even knowing that four of the five men had died in the Sierra, investigators still could not completely explain what had led to those deaths. They still had found no explanation for why the men were there, although they learned that Mathias had friends in the small town of Forbestown, and police believed it was possible that, in an attempt to visit them on the way back home, the men may have taken a wrong turn near Oroville that put them on the mountain road. For whatever reason the men had left the Montego; they had, instead of going back down the road (where they had passed the lodge that Schons later returned to), continued along the road in the direction they were originally going. Purposeful motion like that is not consistent with the circular patterns traveled by those who genuinely believe themselves lost

The day before the men went missing, a Forest Service Snowcat had gone along the road in that direction to clear snow off the trailer roof so it would not collapse. It was possible, police believed, that the group had decided to follow the tracks it left, through snowdrifts 4–6 feet (1.2–1.8 m) high, to wherever they led, in the belief that shelter was not too far away. Madruga and Sterling probably succumbed to hypothermia midway along the long walk to the trailer.

It is assumed that once they found the trailer, the other three broke the window to enter. Since it was locked, they may have believed it was private property, and may have feared arrest for theft if they used anything else they found there. After Weiher died, or the others believed he had, they perhaps chose to attempt to return to civilization by different routes, overland, on foot.




 
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This is fucking awesome. What a bizarre story. I keep trying to think of some hypothesis but there's so many oddities that absolutely nothing makes sense.

Every suspicion i have, every guess as to one(or a couple) of the 5 perhaps killing the others, is neutered by the fact that these dudes were all mentally retarded, some apparent to an extent far more extreme than parts of the article lets on. The dude in the trailers family confirmed that it was actually NOT that unusual, given his intellectual disabiilities, for him to have done something as inexplicable and bizarre as NOT light a fire...put on warm clothes...or even eat???? It is still just too hard for me to believe though, but still, it is impossible to fully wrap ones head around the level and pecularities that go along with mental retardation. I also wonder if this dude, or any of the others, were autistic? That would compound the bizarre behavior.

What if this victim who died of starvation perhaps had some hangup about stealing and thought, "these warm clothes, matches, and food do not belong to me, even though my life depneds on it, i am not supposed to take things that don't belong to me and so i wont". It defies logic of course, but for an autistic person or retarded person, it may not.

But it doesn't explain why no one else would have encouraged him to eat or start a fire. Evidence shows others were in the trailer with him at some point. Perhaps they left long before he died, told him, "well go for help, you stay put", and then just never came back or came back after he had died and wrapped him up then?

My first thought was that the dissapeared guy and the dude who lived for 3 months after the others worked together and killed everybody for some inexplicable reason, and that the dude int he trailer perhaps can be explained by the above...or perhaps he was so guilt ridden he committed suicide by refusing to eat or start a fire? Far-fetched, but shit, you cant explain this one away without thinkin up something way out there.

Ultimately, I dont think there was any foul play. It's impossible not to let ones mind wander and come up with wild theories, but the most likely scenario is just they got lost and then made some terrible decisions based on their mental defects which led to their deaths caused by the harsh conditions. It's very possible someone could walk off and never be found again in forested/mountainous areas, even ones that arent THAT isolated(that girl who ran from the childrens nutcase home in South Dakota a couple winters ago for ex, still not found, and the Black Hills are hardly the last frontier).

Purposeful motion like that is not consistent with the circular patterns traveled by those who genuinely believe themselves lost

But this is applicable to a normal person in such a situation. Even fully mentally capable people do odd things when lost in the woods. You cant apply pretty much any standard of what folks would normally do or what is consistent with typical, logical, usual behavior when it comes to literally any aspect of this case due to the mental and pyschologicla defects of the deceased.

I dont find anything particularly odd or peculuiar about them driving all the away up that mountain, driving so far in the opposite direction of home. These dudes had problems, a simple wrong turn could have caused that, and when in a puzzling, scary situation like being lost, it is not hard to believe a group like this would choose to just take their chances and keep on driving...maybe see something they recognize eventually.

OR, maybe they just thought a road trip would be fun. They're 5 young men out for a fun night, one had never seen the mountains, one or two may have at least thought they were familiar with the area. As the article states, they could have been trying to visit a friend.

But, police noted, the snow was not so deep that five healthy young men would not have been able to push it out.

I don't know how they could tell this when it was several days by the time they found the vehicle. They had no way of knowing for sure what the snow level was that night. Not to mention, it often is slick/icy conditions that make it impossible to get traction, not merely a tire being stuck in thick snow.
 
I do not see enough info here to piece together the whole story, just several possibilities about parts of it. Thoughts go like this:


Starting circumstances:

The group of 5 had some reason for diverting up the mountain. The driver/owner of the car may have not wanted to go, but felt pushed to do so (notable that he appears to have been very careful with his car while driving on this basically bad road, not scratching the undercarriage on anything).

One possibility regarding a reason is that they may have met someone who presented themselves as needing help, which may have been a woman with a baby, and the trip was related to her. There are other possibilities involving Mathais being deceptive or malicious, and him having some degree of involvement with the woman and baby being there.

The car was stopped in the snow. The drivers side window being open is consistent with some amount of effort to get the car un-stuck (however, the reason for not closing the window before walking away from the car is unknown). At that time, the men felt that they had an important reason to hide what they were doing from a witness, despite the witness being in medical difficulty and needing help. Under normal circumstances they would have helped him, but the situation was so abnormal that they did not.

At at least 4 of the men may have began walking along the 19.4 mile forest road that ended at the cabin, but it's not absolutely assured.

There is some reason why they did not walk back down the road toward the "lodge" they had passed earlier instead of doing something else. Possibilities are that it was related to mental handicap, someone controlling the situation, or confusion (such as, not having noticed it).

It is possible that the original intention was to use the car to drive to the cabin.


Pickup truck:

A pickup truck was seen in the area by the heart attack witness. This truck could have been related to Mathais, and he ultimately left the area in this vehicle (although not necessarily at that time). This would explain why his body was never found, and also if he left with the woman and the baby, explains why those bodies were not found.

On March 3, a pair of women reported sighting 4 of them at a Brownsville store, and they were using a pickup truck.

If the woman and store owner were lying for hopes of reward money, or were otherwise mistaken, it is possible that Madruga and/or Sterling became incapacitated while walking on the road toward the cabin on the 24th - 25th of February at 11.4 miles into the walk, and both of them stopped the walk, and died there. The women lying or being mistaken is the only scenario where their deaths could have happened this way.

If the Brownsville store report was accurate:

Weiher and Huett came into the store in Brownsville 2 days after the disappearance and bought burritos, chocolate milk and soft drinks (they were known for pairing up). Huett and Sterling were seen in a phone booth together. Huett hated making phone calls and Sterling could have been making a call on his behalf. It is possible that they were deliberately absconding from their regular lives at this time, as this phone call does not seem to have been an attempt to reach their families (it likely would have done so, if this was who they were calling).

None of these 3 people could drive. The driver may have remained out of sight, possibly intentionally, possibly waiting in the pickup truck for the others. The driver was one of: Mathias, Madruga, or an unknown third party.

According to this web site, the 1969 Mercury Montago was available in both stick shift and automatic transmission versions (https://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/mercury/montego_1gen/montego_1gen_mx_hardtop/1969.html). A pickup truck of 1978 or older can safely be presumsed to have been a stick shift. If Madruga's version of the Montago had been an automatic, it is possible or likely that Madruga would not have been able to drive the pickup truck. Having that information would be helpful. In any case, Mathias can be assumed to have been able to drive either type of vehicle.

It would be helpful to know if by March 3, any info about a pickup truck having been seen near the scene by the heart attack guy had made it into the media. If the women did not know about this report from the heart attack guy, their report gains more credibility.


Death timing:

In the event that the Brownsville women were not lying, the possible timing of the deaths is variable with the specifics unknown, but not before February 27 (2 days after disappearance), an exception being Weiher, who is known from beard growth to have died 8-12 weeks after disappearance. Madruga and/or Sterling could have died attempting to walk back to the abandoned car (perhaps after having been delivered to the cabin by the pickup truck) or they could have been killed or injured elsewhere and dumped where they were found while incapacitated or already dead, among other possibilities.


Cabin circumstances:

It is believed that only Madruga and Mathias knew how to use the can opener that was in the cabin, suggesting that at least one of them, or an unknown third party, had been at the cabin along with at least Weiher for some period of time.

According to his father, Mathias would have become mentally unstable without his medication after some period of time. The primary antipsychotic he was taking is now known as Trifluoperazine and it has a 22 hour half life.


Much info missing in this story. Much.
 
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There are other possibilities involving Mathais being deceptive or malicious, and him having some degree of involvement with the woman and baby being there.

See, without knowing anything specific about the histories and behavior of these dudes, it's impossible for me to suspect something like this. If this guy had a history of manipulative or threatening behavior, sure, this would deserve some thought. As is, we dont know if his issues were completely harmless(to everyone but himself at least).

or they could have been killed or injured elsewhere and dumped where they were found while incapacitated or already dead

We dont know the full extent of the remains found, but the investigators had enough to determine the elements kileld them. If they were shot/stabbed to death, that likely would have been apparent when examining the bodies, even if it was just skeletal remains. Not ALWAYS the case with stab/slash, but most likely i would think. If they met a violent end, it would have had to be strangulation(without damaging any bones in the throat/neck) or smothering. Hard to believe multiple fully grown adult men could be taken out that way, at least if it was by one attacker.

Just dont see any real reason to suspect foul play here. Seems like one of the most unlikely scenarios.

According to his father, Mathias would have become mentally unstable without his medication after some period of time. The primary antipsychotic he was taking is now known as Trifluoperazine and it has a 22 hour half life.

Which is another reason itd be beneficial to know how his pyschosis would likely manifest itself. Would he grow paranoid of the others, agitated, be prone to violence. I think it's likely this is perhaps what drove everyone from the safety of the trailer, you have Mathias wig out and sprint away and the others go out looking for him. It would also explain why his was the only body not found. Everyone else stuck either relatively close to the trailer or to the trail back to the car, but Mathias perhaps would have been running just to run, aimless, suffering from his mental illness. He coulda been who knows how far off in some random direction, completely off-trail, or even fallen over a ledge/cliff, when he finally succumbed.
 
What if this victim who died of starvation perhaps had some hangup about stealing and thought, "these warm clothes, matches, and food do not belong to me, even though my life depneds on it, i am not supposed to take things that don't belong to me and so i wont". It defies logic of course, but for an autistic person or retarded person, it may not.

That was my exact thought. But what willpower! People will eat their own foot when they are starving and trapped.

maybe they just thought a road trip would be fun. They're 5 young men out for a fun night, one had never seen the mountains, one or two may have at least thought they were familiar with the area. As the article states, they could have been trying to visit a friend.

So many old, unused logging roads up there that fork and criss-cross. One looks like another.
 
I missed that. Still doesnt say much though. He also had drug addiction issues, were his assaults related to his drug shit or was it related to his mental illness? Still doesnt tell us much about what he potentially be likely to do if off his meds.
As you say - - - and who knows with a schizophrenic.



Sometimes family views ppl in too positive a light but ..

Mathias took his medicine weekly, as he had for at least three years - stellazine and cogentin, both used in the treatment of schizophrenia. His family says the illness appeared five years ago, while he was in the Army in Germany. Police records show he had become violent on occasion - he was charged with assault twice - and there was a difficult period, after his return from Germany, when Mathias would fail to take his drugs and lapse into a disoriented psychosis that usually landed him in a Veterans Administration hospital. "Went haywire," is how Bob, his stepfather, puts it.


For the last two years, though, Mathias had been working steadily in his stepfather's business and was taking his medication so faithfully that a local doctor who knows Mathias well calls him "one of our sterling success cases." He collected Army psychiatric disability pay, was enormously attached to his family, loved the basketball games he shared with the other four men and listened to the Rolling Stones and Oilvia Newton-John on the record player in the living room. Klopf says his stepson took his medicine the week he disappeared. But he and the doctor say Mathias had not "gone haywire" in two years.
 
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Here is an recent article from the Sacramento Bee:

This is Part One of a two-part series on the Missing Five, who disappeared into Plumas National Forest one night while driving back to their homes in Northern California. Four of the five young men were eventually found dead, while one – Gary Mathias – has never been found. Click here to read Part Two.

A Northern California drought broke hard in February 1978, blanketing rural areas of the state in sheets of snow. As if Yuba County residents needed another reason to stay inside, radios and TVs were spewing real-life crime drama: first with filmmaker Roman Polanski’s escape to France in the face of an impending statutory rape sentencing, then when a murder suspect named Ted Bundy was arrested in Florida after twice escaping from Colorado authorities.

By the end of the month, the grisly story dominating the airwaves was one from their own backyard.

On Feb. 24, 1978, five mentally disabled men from around the rural outpost of Marysville – a dot on the map 40 miles north of Sacramento – vanished into the night on their way home from a Chico State basketball game. The disappearance of the “boys,” as they were called by family, authorities and in media accounts despite being well into adulthood, captivated and befuddled the region as it spread from a local interest story to international news.

More than 100 days passed before the snow melted and search parties found four of the boys’ bodies in rugged Plumas National Forest, midway between Lake Tahoe and Mt. Lassen, about 75 miles northeast of Marysville. At least one had survived for weeks in a remote forest service trailer nearly 20 miles from his group’s car, eventually dying from exposure and starvation despite nearby food and fuel for a fire. Body parts of the others were found nearby.

The grim discovery provided more mystery than resolution. What possessed the young men to drive into the mountains and walk into the dark, cold forest? Why didn’t they take greater advantage of food and kindling found untouched around the trailer?

And, perhaps most perplexing, what happened to the fifth member of the group, a man named Gary Mathias whose body was never found?

Answers about what happened in those woods remain scant 41 years after the boys went missing. But the case, which then-Yuba County Undersheriff Jack Beecham described at the time as “bizarre as hell,” never wandered far from the minds of those involved.

Jack Beecham was the Yuba County Undersheriff in 1978 and investigated the case of the Missing Five in the Plumas National Forest. Here are his memories of the case. BY HECTOR AMEZCUA
“I have a total of over 50 years in law enforcement. It’s a case that has never lost my thought,” said Beecham, who went on to become Marysville Police Chief and deputy chief of the state Department of Justice’s narcotics bureau. “I often think back to that case. I very much regret that we were unable to find those children – and they were children. But I’m also convinced that we did everything in our power to locate them and find out what happened.”


Investigators in the Yuba County Sheriff’s Office have occasionally revisited the case over the years, with no discernible progress. None of the men had children or spouses. Nearly all their parents have since died. The last update came in 2006, when a man named Mark Mathias checked “yes” on a letter from the sheriff’s office to indicate his brother Gary was still missing.

Though the case remains active, Yuba County Sheriff Wendell Anderson allowed The Sacramento Bee to examine evidence under the condition it would not be photographed or removed from the department’s headquarters in Marysville. The Bee also interviewed several of the Missing Five’s surviving relatives as well as investigators who worked the case, and combed through dozens of news articles from the winter and spring of 1978.

These files, clips and interviews shape a disturbing image of Mathias. Billed in virtually all media reports at the time as another lost lamb caught out in the cold, Mathias was an aberration within the flock, a young man who did not belong with the others. He was violently schizophrenic and had a history of drug use, and wasn’t intellectually disabled like the others.

Was Gary Mathias responsible for his friends’ deaths?



THE OUTLIER
In a case that makes little sense, one aspect seems logical: Of course Jack Madruga, Ted Weiher, Bill Sterling and Jack Huett would have spent their last Friday night together. The four young men had been friends for years since meeting through Gateway Projects, a now-defunct Yuba City organization for adults with special needs. One was rarely found without another by his side.

All four had gone to Sacramento the night before they went missing while Mathias stayed home, according to investigators’ notes. Frequently referred to in news articles as “mentally slow,” or simply “retarded,” it’s unclear whether any of the young men ever had their disabilities formally diagnosed – not that it mattered much to one another.

“They were almost inseparable. They would pal around together, go together. They were described as kind of the studs of their community, you know, the special needs folks,” Beecham said. “They were athletic, very well-liked, very well-respected. (Law enforcement) had no issues with them. They were nice kids, nice people.”

Madruga, 30, worked as a dishwasher at dried fruit company Sunsweet Growers and helped Sterling land a job there, though he was later fired for being unable to use new dishwashing equipment. Family members told investigators Madruga was “not mentally retarded in the common sense of retardation ... merely slow in his thought processes.” He could manage his own finances, and had “unremarkable” service as an Army truck driver from 1966 to 1968, according to case files. He and Mathias were the only two of the group with driver’s licenses.


Weiher, 32, loved making new friends but lacked basic common sense, his brother Dallas said in an interview with The Bee. He once spent $100 on pencils for no particular reason, his parents told investigators, and would question instructions as simple as stopping at a stop sign. When his parents’ house in the town of Linda caught fire, he stayed in bed watching the ceiling over him burn and told his brother to leave him alone because he needed to rest for work the next day, they told investigators. One of his brothers dragged him from the burning home.

“He’d wake me up in the middle of the night and say ... how come Mickey Mantle can hit the ball farther than me?” Dallas Weiher said.

Sterling, 29, had left the house the night he vanished with his $15 weekly allowance and maps of California, Sacramento, Stockton and San Francisco. He worked at Beale Air Force Base as a dishwasher in the early 70s, but his mother made him quit after discovering airmen routinely got him drunk to steal his money, she told investigators. Though the Sterlings had a cabin near Bucks Lake in Plumas National Forest, one fishing trip as a teenager was enough for Bill, who told his parents he never wanted to go again and skipped out on subsequent retreats.

Huett, 24, was the most severely handicapped of the five, his father told investigators. He couldn’t read, write or dial a telephone and depended highly on his mother and Weiher, whom he had known for about eight years. Shy with a speech impediment, he didn’t particularly like being away from home for extended periods of time – certainly not overnight, his father said. Then-Yuba County Lt. Lance Ayers, the case’s lead investigator who died in 2010, was likely referring to Huett when he said that some members of the group had IQs as low as the 40s.

Mathias, 25, was different. He had been a singer in a local band and played football at Marysville High School in the late 1960s. Circumstances of the late ’60s and early ’70s eventually took him down another path.



A NIGHT OF CELEBRATION
The night of Feb. 24, 1978 started out with no known conflict between the boys– only happiness. Elated from watching their favorite college basketball team, UC Davis, secure a road win over Chico State, the boys strolled into Behr’s Market, a convenience store in Chico, just before 10 p.m. to load up on snacks for the ride home, mildly bothering a clerk who had been trying to close. It was the last time they were seen alive.

Ted Weiher’s mother woke up afraid at 5 a.m. the next morning, the Washington Post reported. She immediately called Bill Sterling’s mother, who had been up since 2 a.m. and had already spoken to the Huetts.

Sterling’s parents had tried to talk the boys out of going to Chico that night, they told investigators. The boys had a Special Olympics basketball game the next day in Rocklin through Gateway with a chance to meet “All in the Family” actress Sally Struthers. Several of the boys had laid out their uniforms the night before. Mathias in particular was adamant that his mother not let him oversleep.


But the boys drove off anyway, and the weekend came and went without their return. On Feb. 28, a U.S. Forest Service worker found Madruga’s 1967 turquoise-and-white Mercury Montego at the Plumas National Forest snow line while marking timber. Nearly all the snacks from Behr’s Market had been eaten. The car had a quarter-tank of gas and started right up when hot-wired.

The few roads snaking into Plumas National Forest are rough and bumpy, mostly frequented by loggers’ trucks these days, and rescue vehicles used during the search incurred moderate damage. Yet the Montego – a heavy car even before five grown men climbed inside – barely had any scratches on its undercarriage when found, leading investigators to believe that whoever was driving knew the road well enough to navigate cleanly in the dark. Madruga wouldn’t let anyone else drive that car, his parents told investigators, but he also hated the cold and camping, and wasn’t familiar with the area.

Investigators spent more than three months sifting through snow, chasing dozens of false leads. They consulted a psychic, who told them she saw bodies in green canvas bags – the same color bags later used to retrieve the boys’ bodies. A “body-witcher” was brought in, and his magic rod pointed them to an empty cabin but no clues. A man who told investigators he had been in the woods scouting a campsite claimed to have seen six or seven shadowy figures near the snow line the night the boys went missing. But he had suffered a heart attack at the time and admitted to having hallucinations.

Local, state and federal law enforcement agents spent more than 6,000 combined hours looking for the young men. Dogs, horses, helicopters and snowcats all turned up nothing but dead ends. Roads became more accessible as winter turned to spring and 15-foot snowdrifts over thick manzanita bushes thawed, but the Missing Five’s chances of survival dwindled with each day.

“I was up there one day and the only way I could get out was with a compass,” then-Sheriff Jim Grant told the Associated Press at the time.


On June 4, a small group of motorcyclists out for a Sunday ride came upon a foul-smelling U.S. Forest Service work site near the Daniel Zink Campground, about three miles southwest of Bucks Lake and 19.4 miles from Madruga’s abandoned Montego. Now a nondescript patch of forest, the site held a 60-foot trailer with a broken window someone had shattered to gain access.

Recovery teams spent half a day clearing five huge trees from the roadway before reaching the trailer. Among its noteworthy contents: empty cans of food, extra clothing, wood furniture, paperback books.

And Ted Weiher’s body.

“When you got up in that area, you could smell the death. It was horrible, that stench,” Beecham said.

Weiher, the one whose brother said he lacked common sense, was found under eight layers of sheets on a bed inside the trailer with his hands on his chest. Both pant legs were rolled up above his knees, revealing apparent blood poisoning and gangrene, as well as five toes lost to frostbite. Forensic analysis of his beard growth indicated he survived four to six weeks after going missing, during which time he shed 80 to 100 pounds from his 5-foot-11, 200-pound frame. A brown leather wallet, a ring inscribed with the word “Ted” and a bead necklace lay on the bedside table. There was also a yellow metal watch that Weiher’s family said didn’t belong to him.

Thirty-one cans of food from an outside storage locker had been opened and emptied, according to case files, with no conclusive fingerprints. Another locker that would have had enough meals to last all five men an entire year was unopened. A propane tank outside the trailer could have provided gas and heat, but was also untouched.

Evidence showed a candle had been recently lit. Burnable wood and paper were found throughout the trailer, but no evidence indicated a fire had been started despite Weiher’s cause of death being ruled as exposure/pulmonary edema (often called “wet lung”). The food had been pried open with an Army P-38 can opener, a small sickle-shaped device that only Mathias and Madruga would have had experience using. Mathias’ sneakers were inside and Weiher’s sturdier leather shoes were gone, leading investigators to believe Mathias had been inside the trailer long enough to swap footwear.

Madruga and Sterling were found two days later and eight miles closer to the car on opposite sides of a mountain road leading to the trailer. There was nothing left of Sterling but bones scattered across the forest floor. Madruga’s body had been picked apart by animals and dragged to a nearby stream, car keys still in his pants pocket. The Yuba County Coroner identified Madruga’s cause of death as hypothermia/exposure, but couldn’t determine what happened to Sterling.

Jack Huett’s father, also named Jack, ignored investigators’ pleas not to join them on their recovery mission once bodies started turning up. On June 8, he spotted his son’s jacket not far from the trailer.


When the elder Huett picked it up, Jack’s spine fell out. He was identified by the teeth in his skull, found 50 feet away.

All that was left to do was find Mathias’ body. But after two weeks and with little progress made, investigators called off the search on June 19, 1978, leaving his emotionally battered family without the closure they craved.

The gears of the world kept turning. “Grease” was released that summer starring John Travolta and Olivia Newton-John, Mathias’ favorite actress. The East Area Rapist was in the midst of his reign of terror, moving his attention from the Sacramento region to the Bay Area. People forgot about the five boys from rural Northern California, even as their families struggled to move on.

One year after the boys went missing, a letter to the editor titled “Still One Missing, Still A Reward” ran in the Marysville Appeal-Democrat. Co-written by the families of Mathias, Sterling, Huett and Weiher, the letter alternately mourns the dead, accuses law enforcement of not doing enough to find them in time and wonders what took the boys up that perilous mountain road.

“Questions, but no answers. Bitterness, some. Anger, sometimes. Bewilderment, ALWAYS!” the letter read. “When your son leaves home with friends to go to a basketball game, do you always put your arms around him, give him a kiss and remind him how much you love him? You really should – he may never come back to you.”


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This is Part Two of a two-part series on the Missing Five, who disappeared into Plumas National Forest one night while driving back to their homes in Northern California. Four of the five young men were eventually found dead, while one – Gary Mathias – has never been found. Click here to read Part One.

Four “studs” of the Yuba County special needs community – Jack Madruga, Ted Weiher, Jack Huett and Bill Sterling – met their premature end in freezing Plumas National Forest after a 1978 Chico State basketball game. What happened to the fifth member of their party, Gary Mathias, may never be known.

Slim with dark hair, a small birthmark on the right side of his chin and double vision when not wearing glasses, Mathias was an outlier among the Missing Five. The others’ intellectual disabilities became clear in their younger years; Sterling had spent most of his childhood in Napa State Hospital (then called Napa Insane Asylum), according to case files with the Yuba County Sheriff’s Office.
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But Mathias was first placed in a psychiatric ward as a sophomore in high school following a bad hallucinogenic trip, his parents told investigators. He consistently used drugs throughout his service in the U.S. Army in the early 1970s, which included a sharpshooting medal, an AWOL arrest and a medical discharge for paranoid schizophrenia, according to the sheriff’s files.

While in sheriff’s custody after his AWOL arrest in February 1973, Mathias called two sergeants and a deputy to his cell, according to case files. When they opened his cell, he walked into the hallway stark naked and punched one of the sergeants in the face, sending blood spilling from his mouth and nose. He tried to hit the other sergeant as well but was subdued.
“I’ve been in the Army and I don’t like it, and I thought if I hit a cop, maybe they’d let me out,” he told investigators at the time. He later received a medical discharge.

That same month, Mathias was watching TV at his cousin’s house around 8:30 a.m. while the cousin’s 17-year-old wife slept, groggy from medication used to cope with an ongoing illness. The cousin went to check on Mathias after a bathroom break turned suspiciously long and allegedly found him straddling the woman, groping her breasts as she lay nearly motionless in her underwear, according to case files.

The cousin asked Mathias what he was doing, to which he allegedly replied that he wanted to kiss the woman. When the cousin said he was calling 911, Mathias allegedly responded, “Good, I want to go back to jail.”

Mathias pleaded guilty to battery of a peace officer for the jail incident. A second charge of assault with intent to rape was dropped as a result of his plea deal, the Marysville Appeal-Democrat reported at the time.

Yuba County Superior Court employees are still unable to find details of Mathias’ sentence. Under current California law, he could have faced up to three years in prison if convicted of battery of a peace officer and nine years for assault with intent to rape.


But Mathias was out within eight months. In his next run-in with law enforcement that December, police had evidence he visited the home of a couple he knew after shooting methamphetamine and “dropping Bennies,” or swallowing tablets of the amphetamine Benzedrine, according to case files.

Mathias was acting erratically, talking about how he wanted to stab a woman in the jaw, the couple told police. After he told their 3-year-old daughter “I thought I’d kill you once, I guess I’ll have to do it again,” the man and woman reportedly kicked Mathias out of their house and watched as he pounded on locked doors until police arrived. Court records do not indicate he served any jail time in connection with the incident.

He had other run-ins with the law. An arrest on suspicion of grand theft auto. A citation for disturbing the peace and driving without a license where he allegedly told the arresting officer “f--- you cops, you all are motherf---ers.” A slew of bar fights. Complaints he was prowling at a local cemetery.

Mathias was “known to this department,” as an investigator with the Yuba County Sheriff’s Office put it at the time of his disappearance.

DARING ESCAPES
Drugs had warped Mathias’ brain, said Gary Whitely, who started dating Mathias’ sister Sharon in 1967, later married her and was going through divorce proceedings when the boys went missing. Whitely and Mathias spent summer afternoons near the end of high school drinking beer and swimming with their friends, he said. But when the two reconnected after their military service – Vietnam for Whitely, a base in Germany for Mathias – Mathias was largely in-and-out of his family’s home and not mentally stable, Whitely said.

After being picked up by Stockton police in 1974, Mathias was admitted to a nearby state mental hospital. He spent two days there before crawling out through a drainpipe and walking and hitchhiking back to Marysville still wearing his hospital pajamas, according to case files. It was a daring but familiar escape: Mathias had previously sneaked out of Letterman Army Hospital’s psychiatric ward in San Francisco and later walked away from another mental health facility in 1975, investigators’ notes said.

In 1975, with a short stint at Yuba College proving unsuccessful, Mathias abruptly left school and moved to Oregon to stay with his grandmother. His mother and stepfather, Ida and Robert Klopf, finally reached him on the phone weeks later and pleaded with him to come back to Yuba County. He hung up on them, they told sheriff’s investigators.

The Klopfs didn’t hear from Mathias until he showed up on their doorstep five weeks later, ragged and filthy. He had walked from Portland to Marysville, he told them, stealing milk off porches and eating dog food to stay alive on the 540-mile trek.

Later that year, a Yuba County couple awoke to find Mathias standing in their bedroom, according to case files. He had punched through the window and unlocked their front door, and was now looking for a ring to return to Satan, the couple told police. When the couple asked why he was there, he said they were in his house and he was there to collect rent.


Mathias’ path straightened out after that. He started to consistently take his schizophrenia medication and was able to hold down a job with his stepfather’s gardening business, Robert Klopf told the Washington Post in 1978. He had no notable contact with police during the two years leading up to his disappearance, and Klopf said he had not “gone haywire” in private during that time.

He joined Gateway Projects and started hanging out with Sterling, Weiher, Madruga and Huett a few months before the boys went missing, according to case files. But even under the mellowing haze of antipsychotic drugs such as Cogentin, Stelazine and Prolixin, Gateway Gators basketball coach Robert Pennock told investigators he still felt like Mathias “could possibly flip out at any time.” Gateway has been closed for decades and its leaders from the time are dead, leaving the question of how Mathias got involved in the first place unanswered. Jack Beecham, the former Yuba County sheriff, said he doesn’t know how Mathias got into the program.

Following a 1978 interview with Mathias’ longtime acquaintance Janet Enzerra, Yuba County Sgt. James Black wrote that Mathias had repeatedly told Enzerra of a dream where he and several other people would disappear. Enzerra called Mathias “a very violent person, hurting several men seriously, and (said) that he also hates women,” according to Black’s interview notes.

 
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STILL ALIVE TODAY?
The other boys’ parents weren’t comfortable with Mathias either, even though they didn’t seem to know about his criminal record, Jack Beecham said. He was a stronger personality, the only one among them who would fight back if threatened, according to investigators. Of the five missing boys, the case file said, he would be the most likely to “lead and suggest places to go or things to do.”

“I know parents at the time told us – they told me personally – that they had deep concerns about Gary being involved in this. They were unabashed in their opinion in telling me that,” Beecham said. “The other four were always together. They walked a lot of places together, always together, and he just was a different personality type. He didn’t meld with the other four, according to (the parents).”

Ida Klopf had taken her children and fled her husband, Garland Mathias, when Gary was just 3 years old, making it from Yuba County to Bakersfield before calling Garland and asking him to pick them up, according to sheriff’s files. Klopf filed a restraining order against Garland when the two split for good some years later, Whitely said.

Garland rarely came up in Whitely’s conversations with Sharon, his ex-wife and Gary’s sister. One day in 1987, though, Sharon’s father showed up at her home out of the blue, Whitely said. He ate dinner with Sharon and her two children, then about 10 and 11 years old, and left the house without incident.


A few days later, Garland Mathias committed suicide, Whitely said. Sharon Maxwell Mathias would die of a gunshot wound to the head in 2002, according to the Placer County Sheriff’s Office, a shot Whitely said was self-inflicted. Yuba County Superior Court and Sheriff’s Office officials could not find evidence of the restraining order or Garland Mathias’ cause of death.

“I do believe that the mental illness that (Gary) and my ex-wife had, they inherited from their dad,” Whitely said. “As long as (Gary) was on medication, he wasn’t too bad. But when he thought he was okay and not doing his medication – same (thing) with my ex-wife, Sharon. As long as she was on medication, she was doing OK.”

Maybe Gary Mathias was a victim of inexplicable circumstances deep in the woods, just like the four other boys. Maybe he chose not to take medication that carried side effects of drowsiness, lethargy and dizziness in light of his Special Olympics basketball game the next day, and inadvertently brought his friends out to their deaths on a schizophrenia-induced adventure.

Maybe he’s alive today.
 
He could manage his own finances, and had “unremarkable” service as an Army truck driver from 1966 to 1968, according to case files.
Madruga could drive a stick

Madruga’s 1967 turquoise-and-white Mercury Montego
k so 1967 not 69.

Recovery teams spent half a day clearing five huge trees from the roadway before reaching the trailer.
hmm. A pickup would not have made it all the way there, at least.

When the elder Huett picked it up, Jack’s spine fell out.
Oh, beautiful!

He joined Gateway Projects and started hanging out with Sterling, Weiher, Madruga and Huett a few months before the boys went missing, according to case files.
... orly.

even under the mellowing haze of antipsychotic drugs such as Cogentin, Stelazine and Prolixin, Gateway Gators basketball coach Robert Pennock told investigators he still felt like Mathias “could possibly flip out at any time.”
Yeah family tends to be a bit blinded by a little bit of sunshine if you know what I mean, but maybe not an unassociated athletic coach.

Following a 1978 interview with Mathias’ longtime acquaintance Janet Enzerra, Yuba County Sgt. James Black wrote that Mathias had repeatedly told Enzerra of a dream where he and several other people would disappear. Enzerra called Mathias “a very violent person, hurting several men seriously, and (said) that he also hates women,” according to Black’s interview notes.
I see.

Of the five missing boys, the case file said, he would be the most likely to “lead and suggest places to go or things to do.”
This

“I know parents at the time told us – they told me personally – that they had deep concerns about Gary being involved in this. They were unabashed in their opinion in telling me that,” Beecham said.
And this


Impressions of people from the time tend to have an intuition available to them that isn't available later.

With their evaluations of Mathias' personality and circumstances within the group, I feel more leaning toward the possibility that Mathias was running the show, and most definitely so if the pickup truck reports are correct. And if the pickup truck reports were not correct, strong chance on him having directed them up the mountain and done wtf-ever some plan of his was. It may have even been planned by Mathias before they drove out to the basketball game (and most certainly was if the pickup truck witness reports were accurate, as availability of the pickup near that location requires some planning).

If the truck reports are accurate, perhaps Mathias' was actually driving Madruga's car, he was able to talk him into letting him do this, and he pretended to get it stuck on purpose, and he was familiar with the road and knew just where he wanted the vehicle to be stopped (where the truck was accessible nearby).
 
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Hard to tell given the low quality of the pic, not sure if there's better ones, but in that pic it looks like Mathias could have had FAS

Def makes things more interesting knowing he was a violent scumbag. However, i still think it's most likely they all died of the elements. The fact he had previously walked 500 miles makes it even more believable he thought he could just wander off and get out okay.

Weiher, 32, loved making new friends but lacked basic common sense, his brother Dallas said in an interview with The Bee. He once spent $100 on pencils for no particular reason, his parents told investigators, and would question instructions as simple as stopping at a stop sign. When his parents’ house in the town of Linda caught fire, he stayed in bed watching the ceiling over him burn and told his brother to leave him alone because he needed to rest for work the next day, they told investigators. One of his brothers dragged him from the burning home.

“He’d wake me up in the middle of the night and say ... how come Mickey Mantle can hit the ball farther than me?” Dallas Weiher said.

That's some autism shit for sure. Fuckin weird.

but his mother made him quit after discovering airmen routinely got him drunk to steal his money

And the least surprising, shocking aspect of this story. Military servicemembers are such fucking scum.

Yet the Montego – a heavy car even before five grown men climbed inside – barely had any scratches on its undercarriage when found, leading investigators to believe that whoever was driving knew the road well enough to navigate cleanly in the dark.

I dont get why this is such a strong indicator that someone else was driving the vehicle. Someone lost, in the dark, an uncertain driver, is likely going to drive very very very slow. It makes sense no damage was done if this guy was just creeping along in the dark trying to find his way.
 
The fact he had previously walked 500 miles makes it even more believable he thought he could just wander off and get out okay.

(Mathias) That IS a consideration, for sure. If no pickup truck involved, maybe he walked far enough that the corpse would not be found in that search, or maybe not found for a very long time (or, ever). Or one has to wonder if he's alive somehow, regardless of pickup truck vs. none.
 
(Mathias) That IS a consideration, for sure. If no pickup truck involved, maybe he walked far enough that the corpse would not be found in that search, or maybe not found for a very long time (or, ever). Or one has to wonder if he's alive somehow, regardless of pickup truck vs. none.

Another thing to consider, what are the odds a guy like this could live quietly for any lengthy period of time without any other negative interactions with police or anyone else, without doing anything to draw significant attention to himself, put himself in the hospital, etc.

This guy was only functioning it sounds like cuz of the very close supporto f his family, lived with them, worked with his stepfather. A guy like this, with sczizophrenia, is not just running off and starting a new identity and living for decades without anyone the wiser. He woulda got found out somehow.
 
Another thing to consider, what are the odds a guy like this could live quietly for any lengthy period of time without any other negative interactions with police or anyone else, without doing anything to draw significant attention to himself, put himself in the hospital, etc.

This guy was only functioning it sounds like cuz of the very close supporto f his family, lived with them, worked with his stepfather. A guy like this, with sczizophrenia, is not just running off and starting a new identity and living for decades without anyone the wiser. He woulda got found out somehow.
That’s a really good point, I was initially thinking he wandered somewhere new and is still alive, but he could’ve just wandered exponentially further than his friends and died many miles outside the search radius.
 
Another thing to consider, what are the odds a guy like this could live quietly for any lengthy period of time without any other negative interactions with police or anyone else, without doing anything to draw significant attention to himself, put himself in the hospital, etc.

This guy was only functioning it sounds like cuz of the very close supporto f his family, lived with them, worked with his stepfather. A guy like this, with sczizophrenia, is not just running off and starting a new identity and living for decades without anyone the wiser. He woulda got found out somehow.

Depending on the medications, some are taken daily (especially since SSRI's have come along), and some are taken weekly in what most of us would consider a mega dosage - my father took amitriptyline every Friday in such a mega dose for the entire week for his (non-paranoid) schizophrenia for several decades.

So it may/or may not have left Mathias a few days of functional (or what would pass as functional for him, mind you) thinking; however with the degree of his dependence upon his family for his basic needs and survival, I suspect that he too succumbed to the same fate as the others.
He probably walked in a different direction after the other two fell behind, or possibly in large circles, and may have started to shed his clothing as his hyppocampus tried to compensate for the cold by making his body "feel" hot.
Yeah, better chance his remains are buried in a ravine somewhere, between the 2 options.

This.
Either a ravine, crevice, or under a mudslide formed from melting snow.
It's possible that one day, some of his remains will be found, and perhaps the location would offer some fragment of explanation as to what happened during the final few days.
One thing is for certain, by the description of Ted Weiher's body, someone helped to feed him, tried to take care of him, and covered him after (and possibly before, for warmth) his death.
We may never know if it was one of the men, or all of them who cared for Weiher, but at least one person was still in the trailer after he died.


As an aside,
I've gone into heat exhaustion and cold shock, and one's mind does not think clearly when the brain starts experiencing the rapid change in temperature differences so quickly.
Personally, I experienced much more cloudiness with rational thinking in the cold, especially when the mind goes beyond the concept of trying to find warmth (I was lucky to be with a BF who recognized what was happening, and quickly got us back to shore, canceling our fishing trip, and covered me with blankets as the truck heated up, and held me as close to him as he could for body heat while still being able to drive safely), things appear differently than they are, and it's much harder to try to keep doing or remember what you'd been doing - like remembering which rods were mine, and where I wanted to cast for the best bass fish spots.
With the heat exhaustion, I was able to get myself to a convenience store, told them I needed a bucket with water and ice, and was quickly able to cool down by putting my pulse points (feet/ankles/wrists) in the water while using a bandana to keep drenching my head/face/neck with the cold water (the owner has become a dear friend since way back then, and never fails to greet me by name and with a hug).
 
taken weekly in what most of us would consider a mega dosage - my father took amitriptyline every Friday in such a mega dose for the entire week for his (non-paranoid) schizophrenia for several decades.
Whew damn I’ve been on and off amitriptyline daily for neuro stuff for years. I can’t imagine how a weekly dose of that would knock you on your ass.
 
Whew damn I’ve been on and off amitriptyline daily for neuro stuff for years. I can’t imagine how a weekly dose of that would knock you on your ass.

It would send him into a heavily sedated state for about 24 hours, where he slept most of the time, this is why he took the meds on Friday evenings, so that he would be alert and functional by mid-mornings on Sundays so that he could attend Church services.

Now, he was able to function completely on his own, live alone, drive, control his finances (very well, as he had worked for 20 yrs as manager of financial reporting for a major airline), shop for groceries, cook, pick up his meds, and meet all of the scheduled appointments, and clean (clean, clean - his home was as sterile as a surgical room!).
He was also a wicked bridge player, and played several times a week, with others always begging him to rotate as a partner so that all could have an "upper edge" a few times a month.
In fact, we learned as kids not to play card games with him, as he could easily count into 4 decks, and would basically know in any games with the cards facing upside what was left in the deck, and the probabilities of what was in your downside hand. :eek: (I would not let him near the card tables in Lost Wages, knowing he couldn't turn off the ability to count cards, it was instinctual, and didn't want him caught like Rainman "Yeah, we're counting cards, definitely counting cards.")
Even with schizophrenia, he was never out of control, angry, hysterical or presented any danger to anyone.
He realized when he stared hallucinating and recognized that it was happening, sought treatment for himself immediately, and took his medications as prescribed religiously.

He was always a very non-violent passive person, if we got into a fight with another kid (even if you just got hit and didn't fight back) he'd give us holy hell about fighting when we got home; a very "turn your cheek" type of person - his advice when dealing with bullies and such was "Consider the source, and walk away, never lower yourself to their standards".
I was surprised by how much he enjoyed watching me sparring at TKD events, but he had loved boxing in high school, and understood that it's a sport, not a fight - which is why opponents shake hands before and after sparring.
 
It would send him into a heavily sedated state for about 24 hours, where he slept most of the time, this is why he took the meds on Friday evenings, so that he would be alert and functional by mid-mornings on Sundays so that he could attend Church services.

Now, he was able to function completely on his own, live alone, drive, control his finances (very well, as he had worked for 20 yrs as manager of financial reporting for a major airline), shop for groceries, cook, pick up his meds, and meet all of the scheduled appointments, and clean (clean, clean - his home was as sterile as a surgical room!).
He was also a wicked bridge player, and played several times a week, with others always begging him to rotate as a partner so that all could have an "upper edge" a few times a month.
In fact, we learned as kids not to play card games with him, as he could easily count into 4 decks, and would basically know in any games with the cards facing upside what was left in the deck, and the probabilities of what was in your downside hand. :eek: (I would not let him near the card tables in Lost Wages, knowing he couldn't turn off the ability to count cards, it was instinctual, and didn't want him caught like Rainman "Yeah, we're counting cards, definitely counting cards.")
Even with schizophrenia, he was never out of control, angry, hysterical or presented any danger to anyone.
He realized when he stared hallucinating and recognized that it was happening, sought treatment for himself immediately, and took his medications as prescribed religiously.

He was always a very non-violent passive person, if we got into a fight with another kid (even if you just got hit and didn't fight back) he'd give us holy hell about fighting when we got home; a very "turn your cheek" type of person - his advice when dealing with bullies and such was "Consider the source, and walk away, never lower yourself to their standards".
I was surprised by how much he enjoyed watching me sparring at TKD events, but he had loved boxing in high school, and understood that it's a sport, not a fight - which is why opponents shake hands before and after sparring.
Sounds a lot like my dad. He was also manic depressive on top of the schizophrenia and sadly was more of a danger to himself than others.
 
Sounds a lot like my dad. He was also manic depressive on top of the schizophrenia and sadly was more of a danger to himself than others.

This is the case with the majority of schizophrenics, the only person that they are most are in danger to is themselves, due to the severe depression that accompanies the illness.
It's usually only those who present with extreme paranoia and psychosis that can pose a threat to others, and even then, many seldom strike outwards, but prefer to take all the pain and problems inwards and eventually on to homelessness or even suicide.
Many blessings to you @caitierig , we're kindred spirits in that way, along with @BuffettGirl who's often told us how her brother also suffers from schizophrenia.
It can be trying for some of us, just ever so slightly with my father, but I've known others who suffer so very badly that nothing their family and friends can do will help to get through to them *that they are loved, wanted, and have a loving place to live whenever they're ready to come home*. < 3
 
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