Yoinks! Greyhound passenger DECAPITATES seatmate in transit!

[wheresthebeef]

The hilarious part about it - mention God told you to do something and you'll get off. :laugh:

:tape22:

 

[brokenandtwisted]

News necro!

Bus beheader allowed time outside locked hospital ward

June 3, 2010

Less than two years after he beheaded a passenger on a Greyhound bus, Vince Li, pictured, has been given permission to start spending brief periods outside his locked, high-risk ward at a Manitoba mental hospital.

Li learned Thursday that a review board hearing has decided to accept his treatment team's recommendation to allow him opportunities for fresh air and recreation — under escort.

Li will be allowed initially to go outside at the Selkirk Mental Health Centre for 15 minutes at a time, twice a day.

The review board says those privileges can be extended to passes good for up to one hour, twice a day, provided there are no problems.

The facility's grounds are not surrounded by any fence or barrier, and extra staff likely will have to be hired to accommodate Li, the board was told.

Li was found not criminally responsible last year for the 2008 killing and beheading of 22-year-old Tim McLean on board a Greyhound Bus near Portage la Prairie, Man.

cont'd

 

[akika666]

News necro!

Bus beheader allowed time outside locked hospital ward

June 3, 2010

Less than two years after he beheaded a passenger on a Greyhound bus, Vince Li, pictured, has been given permission to start spending brief periods outside his locked, high-risk ward at a Manitoba mental hospital.

Li learned Thursday that a review board hearing has decided to accept his treatment team's recommendation to allow him opportunities for fresh air and recreation — under escort.

Li will be allowed initially to go outside at the Selkirk Mental Health Centre for 15 minutes at a time, twice a day.

The review board says those privileges can be extended to passes good for up to one hour, twice a day, provided there are no problems.

The facility's grounds are not surrounded by any fence or barrier, and extra staff likely will have to be hired to accommodate Li, the board was told.

Li was found not criminally responsible last year for the 2008 killing and beheading of 22-year-old Tim McLean on board a Greyhound Bus near Portage la Prairie, Man.

cont'd

holy crap, that's awful. fuck that!

i'm always one to advocate for the rights of mentally ill people in the criminal justice system, but that's such a terrible, awful, horrible, abysmal idea... i'm not exaggerating... this really scares me.

i used to agonize and lose sleep about the grounds- or day-passes i signed for my garden variety inpatients. they were committed to a locked unit for a reason, not because they washed their hands too much... but none of them had fucking full-on butchered another person in public.

if i were the M.D. on that treatment team, i'd never ever sign my name to that plan. i'd rather resign, or be sued by Mr. Li, than have an innocent life, and such horror, on my conscience for the rest of my life.

it's basic psychology as well as common sense. the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. it's so pointless when we don't learn from history.

 

[Dakota]

Say what?

Two passengers are suing Greyhound, claiming they can't eat or work since being aboard the same bus as Vince Li, but the bus company not only denies liability, it even challenges them to prove they were negatively affected by what went on that day.

In February 2011, two Ontario women — Kayli Shaw of London and Debra Tucker of Port Colbourne — filed lawsuits against Greyhound, the federal government, the RCMP, and Li, arguing those parties are responsible for stress and anguish that they suffered after witnessing Li's attack on Tim McLean aboard a bus in the summer of 2008.

Li, who has decapitated MacLean aboard a Greyhound bus near Portage La Prairie, Man., has since been declared not criminal responsible for his actions.

Both passengers filed identical lawsuits on the same day, using the same firm, and both are seeking $1 million in general damages, $1 million in "nervous shock damages" and $1 million in special damages.

The women argue that witnessing the attack has left them permanently disabled by the trauma, and unable to properly participate in work, recreation and social life.

Greyhound filed its statements of defence in May, not only denying any responsibility for the women's conditions, but questioning whether those conditions even exist.

In its statement of defence, Greyhound claimed the women suffered no "severe stress, nervous shock, post-traumatic stress disorder and mental suffering," and challenged them to prove otherwise.

The company said it maintained a "reasonable" security system on the bus, and if anyone is liable for anything, it's Li, whose "sudden and unforeseeable actions" caused whatever trauma the women claim.
[...]

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/29/bus-decapitation-witnesses-sue-greyhound

 

[Kitty]

In February 2011, two Ontario women — Kayli Shaw of London and Debra Tucker of Port Colbourne — filed lawsuits against Greyhound, the federal government, the RCMP, and Li, arguing those parties are responsible for stress and anguish that they suffered after witnessing Li's attack on Tim McLean aboard a bus in the summer of 2008.

WoW.

 

[Dakota]

If they win, I'm going to sue them for "loss of ability" to do almost anything due to uncontrollable laughter.

 

[Nell]

If they can't eat shouldn't they be dead already?

 

[nannyd]

If they can't eat shouldn't they be dead already?

There you go. Case dismissed. A waste. Huge waste.

[MENTION=509]Dakota Valkyrie[/MENTION], can we make that a class-action or whatever it is so it's like a group suit or something?

 

[Dakota]

@Dakota Valkyrie , can we make that a class-action or whatever it is so it's like a group suit or something?

Sure! If they win they will have plenty to go around. And since they are incapacitated, there should be little resistance.

 

[Whisper]

Greyhound Cannibal Wins Right to Leave Mental Hospital

WINNIPEG, Manitoba -- Vince Li, the man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Canada, has won the right to be allowed to leave the grounds of the mental hospital where he is being kept, a criminal review board ruled Thursday.

Li was found not criminally responsible for the July 2008 death of Tim McLean, a young carnival worker who was sitting next to Li on a bus near Portage la Prairie.
On Thursday, the Criminal Code Review Board overseeing Li's treatment decided to authorize short escorted trips into the central Canadian city of Selkirk, Manitoba.
The review board said the passes will start at 30 minutes and increase incrementally to a maximum of full days.

But the passes should only be granted if Li's treatment team believes his condition is stable and that it would be "appropriate and safe for him to leave the locked ward."

[...]
As the bus stopped and horrified passengers fled, Li carved up McLean's body and ate portions of it.

Finding himself locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.

Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.

Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-no-jail-time-for-man-who-behea-229246,0,4047239.story

 

[cubby]

Okay...show of hands of everybody who thinks this is a good idea to let this man roam around in the city even if he is supervised?

Do they think he'll be okay as long as he kept away from greyhound buses and young carnival workers?

 

[Killroy]

Canadian Cannibal Has Been Allowed To Leave The Grounds Of Mental Hospital

Canada – While perusing the news for some articles to post, I found an*update*on Vince Li, the Canadian cannibal who*beheaded*and ate parts of a stranger on a Greyhound bus. Last week he won the right to leave the grounds of the mental hospital where he is being held. Oh, Canada.
Back in 2008, 40-year-old Li was a passenger on a Greyhound bus*traveling at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway. For no known reason, aside from Li being batshit insane and God telling him to, Li stood up and began calmly stabbing the fellow sitting beside him in the neck and chest.
The victim, 22-year-old Tim McLean, was a carnival worker returning home to Manitoba after working at a fair in*Alberta. He*didn’t have much time to defend himself as he had been sleeping while listening to music on his headphones. *The bus came to a stop and everyone inside fled, leaving poor McLean to be carved up at the hands of Li.
And when I say carved up, I mean that literally. Li decapitated McLean and then held up McLean’s head, showing it to the 35 horrified passengers outside who had fled the bus. The bus driver and two others attempted to board the bus but were chased off by Li who then went back to work on mutilating McLean’s body eating*pieces*he was carving off.…

This article is from The Dreamin' Demon, the Internet's self-appointed buzzkill.


"Read the full Front Page article..."

 

[biteme]

The Canadian justice system always makes me feel better about ours

WINNIPEG, Manitoba, May 14 (UPI) --
A man who beheaded a fellow Canadian bus passenger should be allowed to spend more supervised time in the outside world, his treatment team recommends.

Two psychiatrists taking care of Vince Li at the Selkirk Mental Health Center told a review board that Li has stopped having hallucinations and has been a model patient, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. reported.

The 45-year-old Li was confined to the center after he was found not criminally responsible for beheading Tim McLean, 22, on a Greyhound bus in July 2008.

Li suffers from schizophrenia.

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20130514-104051-7162

 

[Dakota]

The Criminal Code Review Board met Monday afternoon to discuss Vince Li's progress as a patient.

Li was found not criminally responsible for beheading Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus in 2008.

Doctors recommended three changes to conditions for Li. They say Li should be given unsupervised passes into Selkirk.

They also recommend that Li's Winnipeg visits be done in a group with two other patients and one staff member. Previously, Li required one-on-one supervision in the city.

Finally, it was recommended that Li be moved to an unlocked ward in Selkirk Hospital.

Doctors said Li is a model patient who gets along well with other patients and staff.

"From a clinical perspective, he has progressed excellently," Dr. Steven Kremer told the Criminal Code Review Board hearing Monday.

The Crown did not object to the recommendations.

McLean’s mother, however, said Li should remain locked up for life.

"I don't think it should matter whether you're mentally ill or not mentally ill. If you kill someone, you should lose your freedom, period," Carol DeDelley said outside the hearing.

The review board will take a week to deliberate.

http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/vince-li...pervised-trips-into-selkirk-doctors-1.1700861

 

[Satanica]

Maybe he's all better due to meds...which he definitely will not take once outside supervision. Or maybe he's just faking it. Either way, just keep him away from the rest of us.

 

[cubby]

Li should be given unsupervised passes into Selkirk.

Winnipeg visits be done in a group with two other patients and one staff member.

Li be moved to an unlocked ward

Only if all the doctors that agree with these conditions be prosecuted right along side of him when, not if, he does anything else against the criminal code. I'm sorry, (No I'm not really) but this guy is a little different from the guy who stands on the corner downtown and talks to himself, or cusses at people as they walk along, or has conversations with invisible animals, this guy is a homicidal maniac.

 

[KaOnA]

Dude was on meth I can guarantee it!
I could be wrong...but that is the only thing I can think of

 

[Dakota]

Greyhound bus beheader Vince Li has been granted unsupervised visits to Selkirk, Man.

The Manitoba Review Board's decision means Li can go on unsupervised trips into the city of Selkirk for 30 minutes at a time, incrementally increasing to full days.

They also granted Li full-day staff-supervised trips into Winnipeg, provided one of the staff members has a cellphone, as well as staff-supervised trips to Lockport, Man., 30 km north of Winnipeg, and surrounding beaches.
[...]

Carol de Delley, McLean's mother called the decision "disgraceful" stating she was "disgusted" but unsurprised by the decision.

"I think this should greatly concern every Canadian, do I really need to refresh everyone's memory on what happened? What this individual, sick though he may be, is capable of?" she said. "We should not be subjecting the rest of the public to this."

The decision comes after a hearing Monday during which Dr. Steven Kremer, Li's treating psychiatrist, recommended he be moved to an unlocked ward at Selkirk Mental Health Centre and allowed unescorted passes into Selkirk.
[...]

Li suffers from schizophrenia and Kremer said he has responded well to treatment, understands the importance of taking his medication and is a low-risk to re-engage in violence.

"Our overall goal is to have Mr. Li re-integrated into society," Kremer said Monday.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/27/bus-beheader-vince-li-granted-unsupervised-trips

Chris Summerville says he knows Vince Li has come a long way since 2008.

The CEO of the Schizophrenia Society of Canada first met Li in 2009, one year after he stabbed Tim McLean and then ate parts of his body.

At first, Li was standoffish, “subdued, very, very quiet and to himself,” Summerville told Global News. Now, six years later, Li is able to carry conversations, he’s stopped hearing voices. Instead, he takes walks, reads, watches hockey games on TV and does Bible study with the hospital chaplain.

“He doesn’t display any odd behaviours or thinking patterns like paranoia or delusions. He’s a very nice gentleman, you wouldn’t pick him out in a crowd,” he said.
[...]

In a 2012 interview with Summerville, Li said he first started to hear voices in 2004.

“I thought I heard the voice of God telling me to write down my journey. The voice told me that I was the third story of the Bible. That I was like the second coming of Jesus,” Li had said.

He went four years without treatment.

Dr. Duncan Scott, a Queen’s University psychiatrist and acting clinical director of the school’s forensic division, likens schizophrenia to a concussion.

“Every time you become psychotic, your brain becomes more injured and you don’t get better as quickly and require more help,” he told Global News.

“No intervention makes it more difficult for these people, and increases risk of relapse and suicide. We don’t understand the magnitude of these psychotic concussions, it’s much more difficult to treat when he’s been ill for longer,” he said.

But the review process is thorough and well-established across Canada, Scott said. Review boards consist of a minimum of three people, including a chairperson, lawyers on either side of the Crown and defence, the defendant and people representing the victim.

Support staff go over Li’s progress with this review board about once a year – Scott estimates that by now Li’s undergone about seven reviews.

The trouble for Scott is that he said he hopes Li is taking supervised monthly dosages of medication to treat his condition. A daily dose of medicinal therapy could be overlooked.

“My concern is we’re not using the best therapy…I would feel more secure with him on supervised or unsupervised visits when he’s on this long-acting therapy,” he said.

Adherence – sticking to taking medication daily – tapers off in most people. Think about when your doctor hands you antibiotics to take for three weeks. Do you keep taking the drugs once you’ve recovered?

In most patients, only about 20 per cent adhere to taking their medication in the long run, Scott warned.

Dr. Oren Amitay, a registered psychologist and university lecturer, said the cycle is dubbed the “revolving door phenomenon.” Patients are admitted to hospital, they’re given medical intervention, they return for follow up, feel better, then question why they’re taking these drugs when they feel fine.

“Society owes it to this individual to get back on the street but we have to really, really be sure that this medication is being taken,” Scott said.
[...]

Amitay says that the public needs to understand the difference between psychosis and psychopathy. In psychopathy, people can have no regard for others and their actions are deliberate and intentional. In Li’s instance, he was having a psychotic episode – “he truly was not in control of his mind at the time.”

“People have to understand it’s not like he’s walking off scot-free. He did something very wrong but it wasn’t his fault. He’s going to continue to pay the price for the rest of his life,” Amitay said.

Schizophrenia is a lifelong condition, Amitay told Global News. “All you can do is manage it, you cannot cure it.”

Summerville says Li also fears for relapse but he’s learned to manage his illness. He takes on therapy, joins support groups, undergoes rehabilitation.
[...]

Right now, Li is in a relatively stress-free environment, but this will change. Li knows he has an uphill climb, Summerville said. He reads the newspapers and watches the news.

“He was embarrassed, he was ashamed, he was tearful, remorseful. The medications were kicking in and he was coming back to reality,” Summervile said.

He says that Li’s ordeal is only heightened because of his notoriety in Canada, and that being so high-profile is only adding stress to his recovery. Summerville said he hopes that Li will receive support and services as needed as he slowly returns into the community.

When asked if he could say anything to Canadian readers, Summerville told Global News:

“If I didn’t know what I knew, I’d be scared to death, too, if I were in his presence,” he said.

“But it wasn’t Vince Li who did it, it was schizophrenia that used his brain. I don’t know if that makes sense to most people but that’s the way schizophrenia is. You can’t punish an illness, you treat it and it is treatable,” Summerville said.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1179523/should-vince-li-be-granted-unescorted-visits-experts-weigh-in/

 

[Rockin Ma]

“Society owes it to this individual to get back on the street but we have to really, really be sure that this medication is being taken,” Scott said.

I really sympathize with the victim's family.

 

[cubby]

The trouble for Scott is that he said he hopes Li is taking supervised monthly dosages of medication to treat his condition. A daily dose of medicinal therapy could be overlooked.

WHAT! I would think it would be easier to overlook a monthly dose rather than a daily dose!

“My concern is we’re not using the best therapy…I would feel more secure with him on supervised or unsupervised visits when he’s on this long-acting therapy,” he said.

Does this guy even know what he is talking about? Is it supervised or UNsupervised

I'm afraid if I was the one granting outings and this guy was trying to convince me to let Li go on visits, I'd have to turn him down, the way he talks does not convince me at all that this guy has it all together.

 

[Dakota]

WHAT! I would think it would be easier to overlook a monthly dose rather than a daily dose!

The key is "supervised monthly dosages" - It would be far easier to make sure he takes a monthly dose than a daily dose. He would have to go into the doctors office once a month and if he missed, lock him back up.

Does this guy even know what he is talking about? Is it supervised or UNsupervised

The guy if just saying that under either scenario, he would be more comfortable if Li was taking the long-acting monthly dose. Personally, I would be too.

 

[KJkaris]

Mounties' answer to pain: suicide. What he witnessed as a RCMP officer led to years of mental anguish

The beheading that took place on a Greyhound bus near Portage la Prairie in 2008 has claimed another victim.

Ken Barker, a retired RCMP corporal who was a dog handler for the force, took his own life last weekend after struggling with post-traumatic stress disorder for years. He was one of the first officers on the scene of the Greyhound tragedy. (...)

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/his-answer-to-pain-suicide-267450561.html

Ken Barker and Axa

 

[myra manes]

 

[McDanel]

“Society owes it to this individual to get back on the street but we have to really, really be sure that this medication is being taken,” Scott said.

Wait, we owe him his freedom? How about we start with Dr. Scott taking him home for weekend visits?

 

[cubby]

That must be a requirement for the first 6 months and if Dr. Scott survives then maybe they should think about it, maybe.

 

[tmdgirl]

And I guess because its Canada and our justice system truly sucks.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/n...lized+passenger+greyhound/12888081/story.html

WINNIPEG — A man who was found not criminally responsible for beheading and cannibalizing a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus has been granted his freedom.

Manitoba’s Criminal Code Review Board has given Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Li, an absolute discharge, meaning he is no longer subject to any conditions.

Baker, a diagnosed schizophrenic, killed 22-year-old Tim McLean in 2008.

 

[FrayedKnot]

 

[lithiumgirl]

Manitoba’s Criminal Code Review Board has given Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Li,

Like a name change is going to help this guy .... no one is going to forget his face.

 

[JackBurton]

Wow permitted to change his name too. Will there even be a record of this when employers or neighbors look him up to see if he's a deadly monster or not? Terrifying stuff up in Canada.

Amitay says that the public needs to understand the difference between psychosis and psychopathy.

Nope. Most people know, we just aren't bleeding heart fucktard idiots. I don't care whether you're a nutter idiot or not, you kill someone like this, you should rot in a cell for the rest of your life. Sorry you're crazy, but fuck off anyways.

What a piece of vile shit this guy is.

 

[Burke]

He's been incarcerated for 9 years, if i read that right.

During that time he's been civil to staff, allowed very gradual freedoms, and has adhered to his treatment plan willingly.

My concern is lack of a support network to check in. It doesn't sound like his family is open to helping him. If he decides to stop taking his meds, who will know? Will someone be able to alert the authorities or talk him down if he goes into psychosis again?

If he gets in trouble again, which i really highly doubt is going to happen, he won't come back out.