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Roberte
Well-Known Member
but will it? I mean it seems sleeping with a life like doll is a step up from reading stories or watching movies, so is it just another step up to get a real teen to have sex with?
Roasted by Albert Fish
Active Member
Now I have been told that there is a market for everything. But some how child sex doll never came to mind when hearing that statement. This guy will only progress further and further towards the real thing as he gets bored with the dolls.
I don't know if it would, but if it can reduce his urge to go out and find a child to diddle then I think it's worth a shot.
HopelessOptimist
Active Member
IMO, legally permitting use of such an abhorrent item is validating the impulses of pedophiles, especially those who haven't actualized their fantasies. I've seen and read testimony in which predators have admitted these thoughts and urges are completely uncontrollable and have requested chemical castration due to their inability to quell them. Ultimately, the availabilty of these silicone monstrosities would never deter a potential child molester or stem the flow of child pornography in the least.
dstranger99
Unregistered Sex Offender
Who cares, it's a doll. If he wants to fuck it, so be it.........
Krystal
Veteran Member
Or an under-developed older female too.
I find it disgusting that these exist or should I say that these need to exist, don't get me wrong BUT there are adult women who don't develop quite like the norm and these dolls would resemble them too.
Caveman
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately there are Chinese and Japanese companies that make them that look like ages 6 year olds and up, anatomically correct, and sell them for up to $6,000. I don't know of any law in the U.S. that would prohibit owning one or disgustedly abusing one in private.
Athena
Buzzkill.
We should be taking notes from the Japanese. They're a really sexually deviant people in many ways, especially their fixation on young-looking people. But they allow these things (and possession of child porn), and their rate of sex offenses is substantially lower than ours. NationMaster.com states that our rate of rape is 27 times the rate in Japan.
TKaz
Trusted Member
I was wondering about this. It grosses us out but....WHAT IF...it keeps pedo's & deviant behavior down because they're exhibiting it with an inanimate object?
I don't know the answer but what if this is actually it? The answer.
TKaz
Trusted Member
Hmmm.... if an American can get in trouble for owning child porn (not creating or distributing), I'd think there was some sort of law out there that having sex with a child-like object would be grounds for them LOOKING for a loophole. Remember the guy that had sex with a pink pool inflatable? He got in trouble didn't he ( I really can't remember) ?
biteme
The Rev, Molon labe
Seriously you can't be that naive, ever hear of reporting issues, we hardly ever heard about it here a few years back, but it was happening just like it is now, more people are reporting it is the only difference
In some areas it just gets swept under the carpet, just like you never used to hear about all the rapes in India, till the well broke
spiff
Professional cat spooner.
In terms of well developed countries Japan and India aren't vaguely on the same level. India is internationally known for having a corrupt and often useless police force. My childhood friend was murdered in India and they didn't interview anyone, lost evidence, stole her camera for the crime scene photos, and didn't even bother to check the ATM that had drained her bank account the day before. That's just not Japan.
Do you have any evidence that Japan has similar procedures to India, or are you comparing apples and oranges here?
Athena
Buzzkill.
They can possess that, too. But simple possession of child porn is not prosecuted in Japan. Manufacturing, distribution, purchase (I believe), yes... but not simple possession.
I appreciate that perspective... but we can believe that, OR we can research, analyze, look at what the evidence tells us and act in accordance with it, even if it offends our sensibilities. It's a tough thing to study, so there's not a ton of research available, yet. And I can't come out and say that access to these things does decrease actual abuse rates. But the data and observations we do have seems to be alluding to that.
TexasRanger
Member
And once again the Police have missed a GOLDEN opportunity. It would have been sweet if they had sold these online to the pedos, but inside the female parts lies a dick trap, which when it clamps shut on the sicko, sends a message to the local cops the directions of where to find the sicko kiddie diddler.
biteme
The Rev, Molon labe
I don't have any about China either, but feel they're corrupt and they seem to be the producers of the product, I don't even know how Japan got involved in this, except they seem to have gotten lumped in with China, so I did too
If you have links proving no corruption in Japan I'd love to see them, corruption is everywhere
Plenty on the subject if you want to take the time to look it up, I'm done with it
And my point was under reporting ( embarrassed and so fourth) saving face nationally, as much as corruption, the old double whammy
Some countries just like some police departments here, under report crime to look better than they are.
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Athena
Buzzkill.
I couldn't possibly care less about how people feel. That's kind of my point. I care about what drives down the rape of children, and will follow that goal wherever it takes me, even if that's to some unsavory places. It's a topic that deserves its fair share of research resources, and the resulting evidence - whatever that may be - should be used to drive legislation. People's emotions should be removed from the equation to whatever degree possible.
China
La Mera Mera
Japan population is 127.3 million the USA 316.1 million give or take a few thousand.
Their punishments are laughable a rapist will average 5 years in prison while a robber will average 6 years.
I'm sure their rapes are underreported, I can link but any Google search will come up as the Japan culture not being very nice to rape victims.
Athena
Buzzkill.
Rates are per capita, my dear. The size of the population is of no matter when rate is being considered.
You consider European sentencing guidelines laughable as well, I imagine, and yet their crime rates are also lower.
The exact same can be said about the U.S. In fact, some estimates suggest 80% of sexual assaults go unreported. And only about 3% of rapists spend time behind bars, according to RAINN.
You've already established quite clearly that rational appeals will fall on deaf ears (as is evidenced by that being your perception of my thought process), so I won't waste any more time with it.
Prove anything? I've never stated that definitive proof exists. I've only ever stated what I've stated in this thread, that the available data and observations suggest this. The study Caveman posted is one of the only free ones I've come across. And, surely you will excuse me for not purchasing research to "prove" things to some broads on the interwebs who routinely state that nothing will change how they feel. Not to say you're necessarily a part of that group. But I'm not throwin' down $50 to prove anything to you, either.
I think education is the answer to nearly all social problems. But this isn't a social problem as much as it is biological one. I'm curious about the brand of education you think could help correct this issue.
China
La Mera Mera
Can you point me to the ones you have to pay for? I have looked but can't find anything, maby i'm not looking in the right places.
Athena
Buzzkill.
In America, there are federal and state-level obscenity laws that can and do criminalize any number of obscene or offensive behaviors (primarily sexual in nature). I would not be surprised to hear that a guy got in trouble for screwing a pool inflatable.
Athena
Buzzkill.
When I get home, I'll take a look around.
China
La Mera Mera
We actually have a thread here :
http://www.dreamindemon.com/community/threads/edwin-tobergta-did-it-with-an-inflated-pumpkin.6845/
Sudonim
Trusted Member
That right there is the biggest problem.
People are so tunnel visioned on the bad and don't care to find the why. No one wants to do researched on something that will forever attach their name to pedophiles or child porn in a society that ranks pedophiles as the lowest of the low.
Krystal
Veteran Member
Child killers
Krystal
Veteran Member
I absolutely agree but sadly the laws haven't caught up with our thinking on that.
Abroad
Veteran Member
I am afraid the picture is a little bit skewed by the fact that they a very reluctant to register a rape as a rape unless the victim was a virgin. An awful lot of rapes are hiding out under "sexual assault" in the statistics and even those figures are too low: Rape is under-reported all over the world, but Japan is one of those places where victims are very likely to feel too ashamed to come forward. Not only would they be ashamed it happened to them, they would also be ashamed of having it known and of causing inconvenience to the police and courts. There is an awful lot of pressure on young women to not report it from police.....
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Melicious
Fuck Off Felicia
Okay, being serious now. With the logic being presented by @Athena, let's really look at this.
Serial killers have urges as well that they admittedly cannot control. Not unlike how Pedophiles describe their urges.
We give Serial Killers realistic dolls to rape, mutilate and kill and allow them to watch images of rape, mutilation and killing. Do you think this will quell their urge to commit those crimes? Or amplify those urges?
Ask a psychologist what they're take is on that kind of "therapy".
Serial killers have urges as well that they admittedly cannot control. Not unlike how Pedophiles describe their urges.
We give Serial Killers realistic dolls to rape, mutilate and kill and allow them to watch images of rape, mutilation and killing. Do you think this will quell their urge to commit those crimes? Or amplify those urges?
Ask a psychologist what they're take is on that kind of "therapy".
Roberte
Well-Known Member
I agree. You can't cure pedophilia just like you can't cure a serial killer. There is no cure except death. At best keep them incarcerated for life.
