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Nell

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Mariah Walton is 20-years-old and permanently disabled. She has pulmonary hypertension and has to carry an oxygen tank in order to breathe. There have been times where there had to be screws in her bones to anchor in her breathing device. A heart and lung transplant may soon be in her future.

Things didn’t have to be this way, however. When she was an infant, a small defect in her heart could have easily been treated before the damage was irreversible. The problem was that her fundamentalist Mormon parents didn’t believe in doctors.

Living off the grid in Idaho in a fundamentalist Mormon sect isn’t ideal if you’re in need of urgent medical care. But having parents who refuse to seek out that care is an unimaginable nightmare. According to The Guardian, as Mariah’s condition worsened, her parents would prescribe her a steady regimen of prayer and “alternative medicine.” When she finally left home two years ago, she didn’t have a social security number or a birth certificate.

“Yes, I would like to see my parents prosecuted,” Mariah told The Guardian. “They deserve it… And it might stop others.”

http://deadstate.org/permanantly-disabled-idaho-woman-wants-her-faith-healing-parents-prosecuted/
 
Damn straight they should be prosecuted.

The life she must lead today - I can't imagine it. And the bitterness and resentment that none of it needed to have been this way, if her parents just did the right thing.

I wonder, would the parents cart themselves off to a hospital if they needed emergency, life saving care? Or would Joseph Smith ride on down on an American Elephant and heal them himself?
 
I think they should be prosecuted.
They have the right to drink some herbal tea and pray about it.

Then we'll see how it turns out.
 
Oh boy, from the details like no Social Security or birth certificate, I'll bet this is another FLDS case. Oh, duh, how about I read more closely, of course it is.

They're all over the west, mostly remote locations. Little unfriendly towns with about 5 surnames and genetic issues.
 
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Faith healers ..... Pffft!!!! I am a person of faith but have enough common sense to also put a bit of faith in modern medicine and pray like hell that I get a good doctor/specialist.
 
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Faith healers ..... Pffft!!!! I am a person of faith but have enough common sense to also put a bit of faith in modern medicine and pray like hell that I get a good doctor/specialist.

I agree..because God gave us science and talents and we're supposed to exploit them, on the premise that specialists have a talent and that talent serves of course.

***The Morman's are doing it wrong...God expects us to act, not just pray about things...and we're expected to a degree to rely on others...that why God gave us all a talent and not to just one guy you know...life is supposed to be a collaborative effort, where supposed to both share our skills and draw on the skills of others...and doctors have skills.
 
The Morman's are doing it wrong..

These Mormons are doing it wrong anyway. Mainstream Mormons will take their kid to the doctor. FLDS take their kids to the doctor usually. These assholes are a lot more fringe. The Church would condemn them blah blah blah. Course the Mormons do everything else wrong so, IDK. I lived in southern UT for 15 years. I married a jack Mormon. Several of the nurses at our local mini-ER were actually from Hildale/Colorado City. I lived in Hurricane/ St. George.
 
Oh boy, from the details like no Social Security or birth certificate, I'll bet this is another FLDS case. Oh, duh, how about I read more closely, of course it is.

They're all over the west, mostly remote locations. Little unfriendly towns with about 5 surnames and genetic issues.
I've recently been devouring articles and interviews and whatnot about the FLDS, and Warren Jeffs in particular. That is some of the most disturbing shit ever. And most of them are dead-eyed serious about it. There are recordings of Jeffs (And some of his father, Creepy Jeffs Sr.) giving a sermon about how girls should prepare for marriage and other stuff of that persuasion. His voice and manner of speech gives me the willies. If he read Winnie the Pooh to me I'd be freaked out, let alone the subject matter he actually talks about.

You just know these people are against abortion because it violates the rights of the fetus as an autonomous being, distinct from its parents, yet letting your kid die for a religion they did not choose for themselves isn't violating another human being's rights.
 
giving a sermon about how girls should prepare for marriage and other stuff of that persuasion.

I actually agree with this...I value traditional gender roles. motherhood and being a wife. the world has gone to shit since Mothers abandoned their children for a pay check and shiny objects. I think our kids and our society would be better off if Moms were at home.
 
I actually agree with this...I value traditional gender roles. motherhood and being a wife. the world has gone to shit since Mothers abandoned their children for a pay check and shiny objects. I think our kids and our society would be better off if Moms were at home.

Those are not the parts that bother me... they aren't for me, but to each their own. It's the "obey your prophet" and "Let's teach you how to diddle old men." parts stuff that eeks me out.

Also, everything this guy says is creepy no matter what he says:

 
The Witness Wore Red is a great book about the FLDS culture. It's written by Rebecca Musser, formerly Jeffs. Anyway, she was the wife of Warren Jeffs' father. Well one of his wives. She escaped the church and helped them prosecute several members. She also gives a detailed account of the Texas raid.
 
It's the "obey your prophet"


This is the part that bothers me too...on account that prophets are messenger's and there are so many ... Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Mohammed...and apparently the smith guy too. Personally I think God speaks to all of us...via Prophet or otherwise.
 
The fuck? Why wasn't this poor girl married off? How is she going to make it into the 7th celestial circle of heaven if she doesn't produce fruit and live a life of honoring her husband and doing right by her fellow sister-wives?

That o2 tank is gonna blow up where she's going, that shit's highly combustible, and that place is full of fire from what i hear.
 
Any ordinary ass can slap Prophet in front of their name and claim they have been in supernatural communication with God and all you have to do is sign away your free will, property and bank accounts to learn what God's message for you is.

Beware the false prophet.
 
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The government in most cases would have taken her from her parents if she hadn't been the child of Mormon extremists. The government has a hands off approach with those groups after Waco. They don't want the bad PR, sieges, and gunfights.
 
I'm a Christian and I've never understood this. I was raised in a household that took you to the doctor in a minute. Drove me NUTS.

If you truly believe in God and then I would figure you would believe that he put people here who have a passion of knowledge and science that will help is live better lives.

I don't remember the "eff the Dr" verse in the Bible. Maybe I need the Urban Dictionary Version.
 
This poor kid, condemned to a life of misery because of parents too fucking retarded (or lazy), to do the right thing.

Prosecute those fuckers and give their brethren something to consider before doing the same shit.
 
Out of curiosity, anyone out there ever had great success with the "if you pray hard enough, with good intent in your soul, it will come to pass"?

I'm pretty sure God expects us to throw a bit more than good intent to make something come to pass that we are praying for. Like any good parent, God walks the path with you but he won't walk it for you.
 
Out of curiosity, anyone out there ever had great success with the "if you pray hard enough, with good intent in your soul, it will come to pass"? I've tried that shit... see where's it gotten me? I spend a good deal of time on a true crime website with a bunch of others that are as fucked in the head as I am.... This is NOT my private island in the Caribbean with a zillion dollars and Tom Selleck mixing my drinks dammit!!!
duh... you are doing it wrong. Look, I'm A Real Prophet. I'm in direct contact with The Almighty himself. You can communicate with him thru me. If you want salvation, give me all your properties, all your money, all of you ( :woot: ), and I'll teach you the truth. You can make a deposit to a bank account in Panama City (I'll give you the number via an sms message -some idiot leaked some names) and if you gather some 100 followers, I'll teach you how to spread the word.
And that is how God works.
 
duh... you are doing it wrong. Look, I'm A Real Prophet. I'm in direct contact with The Almighty himself. You can communicate with him thru me. If you want salvation, give me all your properties, all your money, all of you ( :woot: ), and I'll teach you the truth. You can make a deposit to a bank account in Panama City (I'll give you the number via an sms message -some idiot leaked some names) and if you gather some 100 followers, I'll teach you how to spread the word.
And that is how God works.
Don't know about god, but that's sure as hell how religion works.

Typically they don't take kids to doctors because they are to answer us nothing. Without identification, what can they do to get treatment?
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So, umm, are you saying that wasting my life on a tropical island with drinks and Tom Selleck isn't a higher purpose??? ;)
You mean the young Tom Selleck, right?
 
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