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At approximately 2:20 p.m., several SWAT officers were visible outside the Henry Pratt building and the scene appeared to still be active.

Holy Angels School is on lockdown, as is Capital Printing and Die Cutting in the 300 block of South Highland.

West Aurora Schools are on soft lockdown and all students are being held in the building. School District 129 sent the following statement to parents:

"There are reports of an active shooter at the Henry Pratt building near Cleveland and Prairie just east of Luigi's Pizza, as a result, we are holding all district students in place for their safety, there is a police presence in the area.

Per directions from the county sheriff, the District has been advised to go into soft lockdown situation across the district. Teaching will continue with reduced movement. Normal operations will resume when the soft lockdown has been lifted. No one will be allowed to leave or enter our buildings until the lockdown has been lifted."
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Heavy police response to active shooting at Aurora, Ill., manufacturing plant

Officers are on site at the Henry Pratt Company.

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Aerial shots from ABC7 Chicago showed a large police response at the area, though no details were immediately available.

The West Aurora School District 129 nearby reported they are holding students in place for their safety.
The Henry Pratt Company – which makes valves for potable water, wastewater, power generation and industrial markets - has long been based in the Chicago area.

ATF Chicago tweeted they are also responding to a reported active shooter situation in Aurora.
 
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Why is this general news instead of the one about crime?


And what a surprise, gunman is a convicted violent felon, although oddly enough one could make the argument that he technically obtained his firearm LEGALLY, seeing how he utliized existing gun laws that should have red flagged him and the Illinois law enforcement "professionals" CHOSE to say "fuck it" and GAVE him access to gun ownership anyways. Prepare to be outraged folks, even diehard gun-nuts should find something extremely objectionable about all this...


They soon learned he had caused the carnage with a handgun purchased from a local dealer in 2014. What’s now under question, as five families grieve and wounded police officers recuperate, is why the killer still had a gun he shouldn’t have possessed.

the man who fatally shot five employees of Henry Pratt Co. and wounded several officers Friday was a convicted felon. Gary Martin served time in prison in Mississippi in the 1990s for aggravated assault. Yet about a decade later, he was issued an Illinois firearm owner’s identification card and purchased a Smith & Wesson .40-caliber handgun.

when he sought a concealed carry license. It appears that during the background check process, which included fingerprinting, his criminal record popped up.

It appears that Illinois law — or follow-through — is weak. Mark Jones, a senior policy adviser for the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and a former federal law enforcement agent, told the Tribune over the weekend that state police typically don’t act beyond sending a letter when someone is found to have a gun he or she shouldn’t have. “They’re not funded to do anything more than that,” Jones said.


Scary stuff. Even in a state with gun laws as restrictive as Illinois, some asshole violent offender was able to obtain one without hassle. Terrifying. No clue why politicians, no matter what side of the aisle, arent losing their fucking minds right now and demanding changes. Truly bizarre lack of reaction, yet again, following a mass shooting.

There are laws on the books saying certain people cant own firearms, but the govt has WILLINGLY CHOSEN to not enforce ANY of these laws. The govt KNEW this man was violent and should not have had a gun, yet they CHOSE to give him this FOID card permitting him to purchase one, and CHOSE to allow him to keep it when their mistake was shoved into their faces. In this day and age, after all the recent mass shootings, in one of the most restrictive, democrat-led states in America, multiple decisions were consciously made by the authorities to knowingly and willingly permit this violent felon to not only purchase a gun but to KEEP it, and to later do whatever the fuck he wanted with it.

The need for a MASSIVE overhaul of Americas gun laws could not be better illustrated than by this horrible crime.

Every victim/family here should sue the govt of Illinois, certainly whichever law enforcement agency/city had jurisdiction over this individual and chose to grant him the FOID card and chose not to enforce any of their own laws. They KNEW he shouldnt have had a gun, yet they granted him access to one and then later refused to act to remove it from his possession. They are partially culpable for this and i hope they get massacred by a civil suit. OUTRAGEOUS how the govt has turned its back on the citizenry here.

Another terrifying element here is that the thing that finally tipped authorities off that he shouldnt even own a gun is when he tried to get a concealed/carry permit. Dont know if anyone has been following the news lately, but numerous states, most recently SD and idiot ignorant Oklahoma, have enacted laws that make it so an individual does NOT need any special permit to conceal/carry. How many others like this trash, who obtained a gun they should not be able to of obtained in spite of existing background checks and gun laws, will continue to slip under the radar as yet another regulation/gun law is stripped away???
 
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What good will it do to overhaul any laws if they're not going to be enforced?

--Al

You joking? That obviously is one significant area where massive overhaul is desperately needed.

The ENTIRE fucking system is totally fucked. Instead well get more idiotic, pointless nonsense about outright banning certain types of firearms from EVERYONE, instead of putting the focus on common sense and practical laws to include better education and enforcement.

So batshit outrageous how instead of seeing that, we actually are seeing gun lows weakening across the country, meanwhile bleeding heart fucktards on both sides argue about impertinent idiocy like the definition of an "assault rifle" and why M-4s should be locked away forever no matter who you are. Idiotic.
 
You joking? That obviously is one significant area where massive overhaul is desperately needed.
No I'm not joking.

If a government entity passes a Draconian law to address some perceived shortcomings of existing law, and fails to enforce it like they failed to enforce the previous law, what is the point of passing the law except, at election time, to point fingers at the other side and claim they are not concerned about the issue at hand?

You yourself said the existing laws were not enforced:
There are laws on the books saying certain people cant own firearms, but the govt has WILLINGLY CHOSEN to not enforce ANY of these laws.

and I have no argument with that, but why not give enforcing the laws presently on the books a trial instead of implementing new laws?

--Al
 
Yet the gun lobby and all the hick trash gun nuts in this country will continue to intensely fight against any and all gun control measures proposed...


More than 75 percent of the people who received gun license revocations last year in Illinois ignored the notices, Illinois State Police said.

State police say their records show that about 10,800 firearm-owner cards were revoked in 2018 but that only about 2,600 of those individuals returned notices. Revoked card holders are supposed to return the notices, or firearm disposition records, which document individuals receiving transferred firearms from revoked cardholders.
 
To enforce the existing laws, governments need to be properly funded. The article reports that state police only send a denial letter to the permit applicant because they’re not funded to actually check if the gun’s been confiscated. Yet the last 20 years has seen declining federal assistance to the states.

Conservatives like Ronald Reagan have actually said the best way to get a small government is to starve a big one. So less police to enforce gun laws, less IRS agents to catch tax evaders, less teachers in the classroom, less investment in higher education and job training, less people on welfare or unemployment, more poverty and general malaise. It sucks.
 
To enforce the existing laws, governments need to be properly funded. The article reports that state police only send a denial letter to the permit applicant because they’re not funded to actually check if the gun’s been confiscated. Yet the last 20 years has seen declining federal assistance to the states.

I think the states should consider how they manage their funds. Seems to me keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldnt have them is a fairly important issue, important enough to receive funding.

How much money is being wasted on narcan to revive overdosed drug addict scum for example? Cut that entirely, prob free up some ability to ensure violent felons dont have ready, at will access to guns.
 
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