Sentenced: The St. Louis Bail Project Posted Man's Bail Who Went On To Kill His Wife

[Old Man Metal]

Why is everyone blaming The St. Louis Bail Project?

I'm blaming them because they are the ones that ponied up the money to get dude out of jail. If they hadn't have done that, he would still be there.

Only the judge can set bail. If the judge believed he was violent its the judge's duty to order him to be held, obviously the judge believed it was safe to let him out.

You're not wrong. Plenty of blame for the judge too. And the framework that the judge has to work within. And dude himself.

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Incidents like these are statistical outliers that do not represent the system.

Statistical outliers that, at least in this case, kill people.

 

[Shimazu]

And have a look at what the article says about the crime he was bailed out for -

"he allegedly hit Johnson in the face and threatened to “finish what (he) started”

Thanks to the St Louis bail project, he got to follow through on his threat.

That's not to say the St Louis project is 'bad'. It's to say that their judgment on this particular case was flawed, to say the least. Without their intervention this woman would still be alive. Maybe they need to write into their charter than any form of violent charge disqualifies a person from receiving their assistance. Domestic abuse also. And sexual crimes. Crimes against children too.

In fact, fuck it, they should just come out and say - "We'll only bail out if you are in for possession of weed...."

Thanks for entertaining an alternate viewpoint.
What little blame that could be leveled for this misjudgment would fall to the prosecution/judge, if anyone. It sounds like 3rd degree domestic assault would've been a more appropriate charge. 4th degree, first offense is the lowest level domestic violence charge available in this state (as far as I'm aware). In addition, $5,000 bail is minuscule. I've seen people charged with misdemeanor drug possession who had their bail set for twice that amount.

The bail project only has the information that the justice system gives them.
If I had been in the captains chair I would have made the same decision as the bail project people.
Media spin is making it sound like they knowingly bailed out a serial drug dealer and ruthless killer, while roughly fifteen-twenty minutes of searching Missouri CaseNet paints an entirely different picture.

One last thing (Jesus I'm a wordy bastard): Officers making a domestic violence arrest have some control in this process. If they believe the incident is serious, they have the option of booking the suspect for felony assault. The DA/prosecution can adjust that charge downward later, but felony booking requires a full bail hearing before you can pay and be released.

My point: At every single step of the process, every involved party did not view Mr. Scott as a significant or serious threat. If the arresting officers, the judge, the district attorney, and the bail bondsman didn't see Scott as dangerous, why would The Bail Project?

 

[Hans Surstromming]

Race is not a deciding factor for assistance. I believe our firm has had one client bailed out by them, and I'm fairly sure he was white. It's not about bailing out black people; it's about bailing out poor people.
As for beating his wife, have a look at my above post about 4th degree assault in Missouri.

Yeah, right...

Here is a direct quote from that SJW organization: "In times like this, we must come together for this family and keep sight of the need to transform the larger systems that create poverty, racism and violence, including the pretrial bail system."

If race was not a deciding factor, this lib bitch would not have included that word in her statement.

 

[DaemonSadi]

A whole lot of people have received assistance from the bail project. Incidents like these are statistical outliers that do not represent the system.

Also I pulled up this guy's record on CaseNet. The domestic battery was 4th degree assault, and was charged as a first or second offense. In 1999, he was charged and convicted of marijuana possession. In 1998, he was convicted of 3rd degree assault, for which he served 90 days. In 1996, convicted of marijuana possession.

Given what I've found, there really was no reason to believe he was a threat to his wife's life. There's no pattern of violent crime on his record. His last violent crime was over twenty years ago.

I understand what you’re trying to say. I also pick up on the fact you know nothing about domestic violence. Which is often unreported and based on the ending of the story - this wasn’t the first time. It was just the first time she asked for help.

And the system didn’t fail her. Some do gooder with no regard for the actual victims did.

 

[Shimazu]

I understand what you’re trying to say. I also pick up on the fact you know nothing about domestic violence. Which is often unreported and based on the ending of the story - this wasn’t the first time. It was just the first time she asked for help.

And the system didn’t fail her. Some do gooder with no regard for the actual victims did.

Should we be angry at the bail bondsman for agreeing to do a surety bond?
(Surety bond is an agreement to pay 10% of the bail price up front, non-refundable, with a co-signer agreeing to pay the full amount/surrender collateral if the defendant fails to appear/breaches the bail agreement. As long as the defendant appears, it's a profit for the bondsman)

 

[Kiss_My_Axe]

Wonder if they regret bailing him out now?

Me too.

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Just like people wrongfully incarcerated, there’s bound to be people wrongfully freed. I don’t have a good answer on how to fix that. I don’t think anyone does. I can only be thankful that I haven’t heard of this happening before so I’m hopeful that it is uncommon. I’m very sad for the woman and her family. I also wish that someone would’ve helped her more. How did he find her? Did she not move away after he was in jail?

No one could’ve predicted this tragedy.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!

Why wasn’t she notified when he was released? Un-fuckin-believable.

 

[Shimazu]

Yeah, right...

Here is a direct quote from that SJW organization: "In times like this, we must come together for this family and keep sight of the need to transform the larger systems that create poverty, racism and violence, including the pretrial bail system."

If race was not a deciding factor, this lib bitch would not have included that word in her statement.

And the word poverty appears before racism. Being impoverished is what keeps people in jail awaiting trial, not skin tone or genetics.
Relevant followup on an earlier post: I did confirm that a former client received bail assistance from this organization and that they were indeed white.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!

I've walked through the whole process and the killer's prior record in previous posts. No one in the process believed he was a flight or severe violence risk. I couldn't go any further in depth without the police report, which I am (of course) not authorized to retrieve. It is unclear if there was an order of protection or not, though any contact would almost certainly be a violation of bail. I'm a bit fuzzy on orders of protection; not sure if that would include a notification of release.

 

[Hans Surstromming]

And the word poverty appears before racism. Being impoverished is what keeps people in jail awaiting trial, not skin tone or genetics.
Relevant followup on an earlier post: I did confirm that a former client received bail assistance from this organization and that they were indeed white.

Then why even use the word racism? Either you are being disingenuous or you need to do some research to see that the commies/socialists are going full retard in this country now. There are many examples of these SJWs screaming "RACISM" when there isn't proof of it. And this silly bitch Robin Steinberg is Exhibit A...

Edited to add: The straight white male is the most discriminated person today. I refuse to sit quietly and not call out these fuckers when spew their SJW bullshit. And that does not make me a racist, misogynist, or any other -ist they come up with.

 

[Shimazu]

Then why even use the word racism? Either you are being disingenuous or you need to do some research to see that the commies/socialists are going full retard in this country now. There are many examples of these SJWs screaming "RACISM" when there isn't proof of it. And this silly bitch Robin Steinberg is Exhibit A...

Edited to add: The straight white male is the most discriminated person today. I refuse to sit quietly and not call out these fuckers when spew their SJW bullshit. And that does not make me a racist, misogynist, or any other -ist they come up with.

White men make up roughly 80% of all democratically elected positions. Out of the 51 richest people in America, 4 of them are female and all of them are white. If there's a shadowy conspiracy to oppress the white man, it's the most hilariously inept conspiracy to ever exist.

Keep in mind that being loud is not the same thing as being supported. Yes, there are stupendously moronic bastards who wail sarcastically about the 'white man's burden' and think that demographics should set a hard limit on how many persons of X race are allowed to govern. Those people are idiots and are a minority.

Just acknowledging that racism exists doesn't mean that person is automatically holding a 'KILL WHITEY" sign.

 

[CentreAussie]

White men make up roughly 80% of all democratically elected positions. Out of the 51 richest people in America, 4 of them are female and all of them are white. If there's a shadowy conspiracy to oppress the white man, it's the most hilariously inept conspiracy to ever exist.

Just acknowledging that racism exists doesn't mean that person is automatically holding a 'KILL WHITEY" sign.

Or maybe that's a function of the USA being a country where white people are the largest ethic group by percentage. Or maybe that's a function of being one of the most educated in the USA. Or maybe there are some lingering residual effects of actual institutional racism.
There's no 'shadowy conspiracy to oppress whites', it's out in the open. Affirmative action. It means preferential treatment for people who are not white. Gender diversity. It means preferential treatment for people who are female.

People want to level the playing field, not realizing that the playing field is level as has been level for decades.

that demographics should set a hard limit on how many persons of X race are allowed to govern.

That would be the democrats. How many of those candidates (old white men) are promising to endorse a female V.P? Like, all of them. Because 'demographics'....

Maybe 'racism' and 'sexism' have become the easiest excuses in the world to exclude personal failings. Maybe in reality, when all is said and done, some CULTURES are better than others. Maybe it's time to stop making excuses for cultural differences.

 

[Hans Surstromming]

White men make up roughly 80% of all democratically elected positions. Out of the 51 richest people in America, 4 of them are female and all of them are white. If there's a shadowy conspiracy to oppress the white man, it's the most hilariously inept conspiracy to ever exist.

Keep in mind that being loud is not the same thing as being supported. Yes, there are stupendously moronic bastards who wail sarcastically about the 'white man's burden' and think that demographics should set a hard limit on how many persons of X race are allowed to govern. Those people are idiots and are a minority.

Just acknowledging that racism exists doesn't mean that person is automatically holding a 'KILL WHITEY" sign.

Why bring up stats of the top portion of the top 1%? That is not the world I live in. And you know that.

And not every minority is holding a "KILL WHITEY" sign. But there are way too many that have become useful idiots for the fascists/socialists and do convey that sentiment. A quick search on the net will provide you with many examples.

 

[Shimazu]

Why bring up stats of the top portion of the top 1%? That is not the world I live in. And you know that.

And not every minority is holding a "KILL WHITEY" sign. But there are way too many that have become useful idiots for the fascists/socialists and do convey that sentiment. A quick search on the net will provide you with many examples.

I brought it up as a reference to how leadership positions are still largely and disproportionately filled by white straight men. I'm not saying thats a problem or that something needs to be done about it. My thinking was that the top 1% have a great deal of power they can exercise over you and I, so I felt their status was relevant.

I'd also like to note that socialism and fascism are opposing ideologies. The "nationalistic socialism" movement that gave rise to WW2 era fascist governments actively and violently opposed both marxism and autarky. That's not a stab at you, though. The terms get misused by talking heads all the time.

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Or maybe that's a function of the USA being a country where white people are the largest ethic group by percentage. Or maybe that's a function of being one of the most educated in the USA. Or maybe there are some lingering residual effects of actual institutional racism.
There's no 'shadowy conspiracy to oppress whites', it's out in the open. Affirmative action. It means preferential treatment for people who are not white. Gender diversity. It means preferential treatment for people who are female.

People want to level the playing field, not realizing that the playing field is level as has been level for decades.

I think you misinterpreted me. I wasn't saying those numbers were a problem. I was using them to demonstrate that despite claims that white people are under attack on all sides, they still hold control the majority of all leadership positions. Hence me calling the conspiracy against them "wildly inept".

As for Affirmative Action:
Racial and gender quotas were ruled unconstitutional more than a decade ago. They were already unconstitutional in the state of California since 1978. Numerous other states took similar anti-quota measures as law.

Privately owned businesses are unaffected by AA. If they "participate", it's 100% voluntary. No one tells Joe's Garage that he has to have at least 40% minority employees. Publicly traded businesses are also unaffected. Any equality measures in corporations are decisions made by the corporate owners, NOT the government.

The only place where affirmative action had real power was in education. Big Ivy League universities were where AA had its major effect, and the vast majority of Americans never attend one of those.
Yes, there are scholarships that target ethnicity. They are privately operated scholarships, however, and the government has no role in doling them out.

 

[Leenoah]

Who? Who could've predicted that the guy who said he'd "finish what he started" would actually finish ---yknow---- what he STARTED?!!! There's no way, you'd have to be Nostra-friggin--domust to predict such a wacky outcome!

 

[Sevens My Charm]

Who? Who could've predicted that the guy who said he'd "finish what he started" would actually finish ---yknow---- what he STARTED?!!! There's no way, you'd have to be Nostra-friggin--domust to predict such a wacky outcome!

It’s obvious you have never been in a seriously violent relationship - when they say they’re going to finish - it might take a day, a month, a year - you’re going to loose - an loose big - if they say your life - you can bet you better be looking over your shoulder and not let your guard down - you know what protects me - a shit load of a paper trail - JAG - in the double digit witnesses - a conceal and carry - I still watch my surroundings and I walked away 13 years ago..

 

[Sugar Cookie]

Offender Name​

Samuel Scott

Sentence Summary​	Life W/O Parole​
Active Offenses​	MURDER 1ST DEGREE​