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Marv

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191821/Parents-asked-identify-children-nursery-porn-images-worker-charged-sex-abuse.html

Furious parents today spat and jeered at a nursery worker as she appeared in court charged with sexually abusing children.

Angry relatives packed the public gallery to see Vanessa George, who is accused of assaulting a boy and two girls under the age of 13 and distributing indecent images.

They hissed as the mother-of-two was brought into the dock at Plymouth Magistrates Court and then yelled and cried with horror as the charges were read out.

Two fathers were so distraught at the details they fled the room in tears. A third man spat at her as she was led away after the hearing.

Hordes waiting outside the court for George to emerge then chased her prison van, pelting it with flour and bottles and banging on the vehicle's side.

More than 100 relatives arrived to see George face to face to find the courthouse sealed off by up to 50 officers.

Less than 30 were allowed into the court itself after being screen for weapons and sat in the public gallery just three feet from the glass box which houses the dock.

George, 39, who worked at Little Ted's nursery in Laira, Plymouth for three years, appeared wearing a white T-shirt and black trousers.

She only spoke to confirm her name and address and did not enter a plea to the charges against her. No application for bail was made by her lawyers.
[...]

George was charged yesterday following her shock arrest on Monday.

Her husband Andrew and two teenager daughters have already fled their home in Efford and gone to a safe house amid fears of vigilante attacks.

As part of the wider investigation, parents and relatives have been asked to identify their children from indecent images taken in the nursery.

Around 95 families have been shown some of the 'hundreds, if not thousands' of photographs which have been seized to try to see if their children appear in them.

Police officers are struggling to identify those involved as many of the pictures just show torsos.

More than 100 relatives of children at the nursery attended a tense meeting with senior police officers at a local church on Tuesday night.

They were told that a camera phone and several computers at the centre of the investigation did contain pictures that had been taken inside Little Ted's nursery.
[...]

At a press conference, police said the pictures showed children under the age of four. Some depict 'level four' abuse - one level below the most serious grade.
[...]

George was charged with seven offences in total - two counts of sexual assault by penetration, two counts of sexual assault by touching, and three further counts relating to indecent images of children.


Vanessa George


Fury: A man batters on the side of the prison van taking Vanessa George away from Plymouth Magistrates Court after she was remanded in custody

 

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Peeperann

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As part of the wider investigation, parents and relatives have been asked to identify their children from indecent images taken in the nursery.
Oh God, having to look thru all those pics just to see if your own child was a victim. The horror will be branded into their brains. If she's guilty, just kill her.
 

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Dakota

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In Plymouth magistrates court there was hissing and catcalls from the public gallery, which held several relatives of children who attended the nursery, as Vanessa George, 39, emerged from the steps below the dock.

There were gasps of horror as the charges, dating back to the beginning of 2007, were read out and one man ran from the court in tears. As she was led from the glass-bound dock in court number one, a man in a red T-shirt leapt from the public gallery and spat at her.

One mother shouted: â€￾Look us in the face, Vanessa.â€￾ Mrs George did not respond and kept her head down.

A police van carrying her was later pelted with flour as she left the building.

A crowd of around 30 parents and protesters gathered outside jeered and tried to bang on the windows. One man was arrested by police officers who escorted the van to the main road.

Two men, one wearing a suit and the other wearing a red T-shirt, were taken away by police officers after blocking the path of the police van.
[...]

Before the brief hearing the magistrate Hilary Anderson had warned the waiting parents not to disrupt the hearing.

She said: â€￾This case is of a very sensitive nature and I would like to remind those in the public gallery that they should remain silent during proceedings.
[...]

The charge list:

1. Between January 1, 2007 and June 8, 2009 at Plymouth in the county of Devon, she [assaulted] a girl aged under 13, namely about one year old, as shown in recovered image 140, exhibit number SCL1.

2. Between the same dates at Plymouth she intentionally touched a girl under 13, namely an infant girl, as shown in the exhibit, and the touching was sexual.

3. Between January 1, 2007 and June 6, 2009 at Plymouth, intentionally touched a boy under 13, namely an infant boy, and the touching was sexual.

4. Between the same dates at Plymouth took an indecent photograph of a child.

5. Between January 1, 2007 and June 8, 2009 at Plymouth, intentionally [assaulted] a girl under 13, an infant girl.

6. On June 6, 2009, possessed indecent photographs of children

7. Between January 1, 2007 and June 8, 2009, at Plymouth, distributed indecent photographs of a child.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6477451.ece
 

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Valasca

Death, horror, torture
Any idea what Level Four photos are? I have this sick feeling that it's penetration.
Ew. Just kill her anyway.
 

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Dakota

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Vanessa George's husband and teenage daughters cut all ties with her after she was accused of sexually abusing children and taking pornographic pictures at a nursery.

Andrew George, 41, said he and his family were shocked and devastated by the allegations.

He is under police protection at a safe house after fleeing the family home with his two daughters.

A close relation, who did not wish to be named, said yesterday that the whole family had broken off contact with George.
[...]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191821/We-want-say-family-nursery-worker-charged-sex-abuse.html

I think the English are getting fed up with anything against children.
 

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horsegirl

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What is it with all these female paedophiles?
This woman will be slaughtered in HMP and good job too.
I cannot understand what makes a woman do this, was she working alone?
She has no history and is apparently of previous good character, it makes no sense to me?
I hate what is happening in this world, babies chucked away like trash, mothers killing their babies WTF?
Or has it always been like this and we just know now because of the internet?
:argh:
 

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Runecire

Back again to the Den of Iniquity
We were just discussing this week whether or not you would trust a male care-giver. Many responses said they would not trust male or female...and here's why.

So many parents are finding it hard to trust anyone with their children anymore, and I can't blame them. The sad part is there are so many GOOD people out there trying to make a living by doing what they do best...taking care of children. These people are being affected by asshats like this woman, and they are losing business because of tragedies like this. I feel for them.
 

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Marv

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193744/Second-woman-arrested-connection-nursery-child-sex-abuse-case.html

A second woman has been arrested in connection with a child abuse investigation at a nursery.

The 39-year-old was detained by police on suspicion of sexual abuse of children and possessing and distributing indecent images.

Two men, aged 17 and 21, were also held.
[...]

It is understood that none of those arrested yesterday have any professional contact with children.
[...]

She added: 'From our current enquiries, there is nothing to suggest the most recently arrested people have any links to Plymouth or any premises in the city.

'However we are still working to establish the exact links that exist between these people and Vanessa George and evidence the nature of their relationship.

'We are continuing to prioritise our enquiries here and we will now be working closely with our colleagues in both Greater Manchester and Nottinghamshire in relation to these new arrests.'
 

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Dneilz

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assholes! What nasty bitches to do this to innocent little children. They are scarred now for life. Great going you pieces of shit. Why is it that I feel so sick to my stomach??? All of "THESE" people who rape, molest and murder children who know nothing more but trusting other humans. Absolutely a fucking bullshit world. So sad. If you see me on the FP soon, it is because I locked my kids up in our home and never let them leave. This world is NOT safe!!!!
 

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Dakota

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All 3 pleaded guilty.
A Bulwell woman has admitted sexually assaulting a child and distributing images of child abuse during an "evil" web-based relationship with two other paedophiles.

Angela Allen, 39, was snared along with Vanessa George and Colin Blanchard after a complex probe involving three police forces.

Detectives in Notts, Greater Manchester and Devon and Cornwall said the trio met on social networking website Facebook but had never met and had made no plans to do so.

Police recovered "thousands" of emails and text messages sent between them, many containing images of child abuse. Allen also sent an invitation to other parties to rape a child.

Earlier today at Bristol Crown Court Allen pleaded guilty to four counts of sexual assault of a child and one count of distribution of indecent images of children, category level 1 and 4. Level 1 is the lowest and level 4 second to highest.

George, 39, admitted six counts of sexual assault on a child and of making and distributing indecent images of children.

Blanchard, 38, admitted two counts of sexual assault on a child, making and distributing indecent images of children and possession of six extreme pornographic images.

Detective Superintendent Adrian Pearson, head of Notts Police's Public Protection Unit, said: "It's important to recognise the sinister and evil nature of Angela Allen, as absolutely atrocious.

"None of the three suspects we're talking about today are bathed in glory, are particularly nice individuals you want your family to be involved with, but Angela Allen is truly evil."

He went on: "I have to say the tone and the fantasies she described in her texts and emails were perhaps the most graphic of the three individuals we're talking about.

"It was just of a graphic nature you could not possibly describe, it was chilling."
[...]

DS Pearson said she has "shed not one tear of remorse", adding: "That's truly shocking and truly evil."
[...]
http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/homenews/Evil-Bulwell-woman-admits-internet-child-sex-ring/article-1384362-detail/article.html
 

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Marv

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217415/Nursery-worker-Vanessa-George-internet-accomplices-plead-guilty-sexually-assaulting-young-children.html


A judge has begged paedophile nursery worker Vanessa George to tell police which children she sexually abused.

George, along with her Facebook accomplices Angela Allen and Colin Blanchard, today admitted subjecting children to sickening sexual abuse which she recorded on her mobile phone.

And mother-of-two George photographed herself sexually abusing up to 30 children - some as young as 12 months old.

Judge John Royce said the 'decent' thing for George to do would be to help identify all the abuse victims in the photographs to put parents out of their misery.

He pleaded with her: 'A lot of people are affected by this case and I would like your help.'

But police have admitted that they may never be able to identify the children in the horrific photographs the three paedophiles emailed to one another.
[...]

As the two women competed online for his affections, Blanchard goaded them to outdo each other in the brutality of the sex abuse, which they photographed.
[...]

Speaking to George's lawyer, the judge said: 'Your client must know, it seems to me, who she has abused and who she has not. If I were a parent, I would want to know whether my child was abused or not.

'Would it not be decent for her to indicate who she has abused? It is a factor that I have got to take into account.'

But Detective Inspector Costa Nassaris, of Devon and Cornwall Police public protection unit, said police feared many of the victims may never be identified.

He said: 'Work is ongoing, we've not given up on that, but the probability I would have to say is very low that we will identify any of these children.'
[...]

All three have said they met on Facebook, apparently by coincidence, but investigating officers find this hard to believe.

Detective Superintendent Adrian Pearson said: 'How did three people get connected on Facebook and somehow get on to such depraved, awful topics of conversation that led to sex assault of children, betrayal of trust, depravity, awful crimes being commissioned and exchanged between the three of them?'
[...]

It can be reported today for the first time that Blanchard had been on the sex offenders register before after receiving a police caution for a previous offence.
[...]

Mr Creely gave a 'typical' example of one of their exchanges.

Allen sent an email to Blanchard on April 21 this year, showing her abusing a child. On the same day, Blanchard forwarded the email to George.

The next day - April 22 - George sent Blanchard an email containing ten images of children abused by her.

This email was then forwarded by Blanchard to Allen.


Mr Creely said: 'All of them were getting gratification from the texts and seeing who could have the worst idea. They were all as bad as each other.'

And the judge rejected suggestions that Blanchard was the main instigator who groomed the two women to abuse children.

Defence lawyers for Allen and George had suggested to the court that there was a degree of encouragement of the two women by Blanchard.

But Judge Royce said of George: 'She is not a child, this is a married woman who can make up her own mind whether she indulges in this sort of activity or not.'
[...]

He said: 'Having met her, she knows she has done wrong, but I personally didn't see any remorse or recognition of the seriousness of the charges.'



Vanessa George



Angela Allen, who police say was the most sadistic of the three, and Colin Blanchard





The judge is wasting his breath. If this fugly hambeast paedo slut had a 'decent' bone in her body, she wouldn't have abused these poor babies in the first place.

Besides, she probably can't remember who they were to identify them. They weren't babies with identities, names and feelings to her, they were just objects. Playthings. Nameless items that were merely there for her perverted lusts and amusement. Little props in her fantasy world.

All three of these fucktard wastes of oxygen deserve nothing less than stoning to death, by the parents and families of all the kids at that nursery.
 

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Marv

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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1152772_hunt_on_for_fourth_sex_fiend?rss=yes


A FOURTH pervert is being hunted by police who smashed the internet child-sex ring which has shocked Britain, the M.E.N. can reveal.

Computer consultant Colin Blanchard, 39, from Rochdale persuaded two women he met online - one a nursery worker - to abuse children and send him the images.

All three are waiting sentence after admitting a horrific string of paedophile crimes.

But some of the appalling photos of the abuse show a hand belonging to a mystery person who has so far escaped justice. A forensic anthropologist has been brought in by police to try and identify the culprit.


I am very surprised that one of these perverted cretins has not offered to turn the mystery 4th paedo in to try and get a lighter sentence for their worthless hides.
 

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Dakota

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Detectives investigating the Plymouth nursery child abuse case have rejected reports of another suspect.

Police were thought to be investigating a mystery hand on a photo belonging to Colin Blanchard, from Manchester.

But officers have told BBC News the image was downloaded from the internet and was unconnected with the case.
[...]

Police say they intend to re-interview George after the judge in the case called on her to let the 30 families involved know which children were her victims.

Community leader Kathy Hancock said: "Some parents just want to get on with their lives and enjoy their children.

"And there are a few families who want to know and need to know to put some closure on this."

It has also been suggested that George could get a new identity to protect her from revenge attacks.

Mrs Hancock said: "That's what angers parents most, after such awful crimes."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/devon/8288289.stm

I don't think a new identity would help her as much as relocation... preferably to the South Pole in tropical attire.
 

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dawnmpeters

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The 39-year-old mother-of-two, who admitted a string of child sex offences, said: "I'll get four (years) and be out in two."

Her husband, Andrew, said her comments illustrated her lack of remorse or understanding of the severity of her crimes.

She will be sentenced on November 12 along with her online accomplices Angela Allen, 39, from Nottingham, and IT dealer Colin Blanchard, 38, from Manchester.
Not a single child has been identified from any of the images found on George, Blanchard and Allen's computers.

Mr George, 41, said his wife was "pure evil" and said he hoped to visit her in prison to persuade her to identify her victims.

"I would plead to her, tell those parents, all those parents who want to know," he said. "If Vanessa has got any shred of human decency in her she should tell those parents."

"I can't force her to see me but she owes me and the girls big time for all the suffering she has caused us," he said.

"I hope she will do the honourable thing and allow me to visit her because I want her to know how she has devastated not only the victims' families but our lives too."
He also expressed anger at the news George may get a new identity when she leaves prison. "We are also the victims here," he said. "She could be found somewhere to live in secret where no-one will know of her wicked past and will be able to carry on as if nothing has happened."
Most days when I came home we'd have a hug and a kiss," he said. "But then she started to spend more time on the computer and we weren't as close. We were going to bed at different times.

"She just stopped doing anything round the house and there was never anything organised for the girls for school in the morning. And now, looking back, I can see why."

Mr George added: "I just can't believe the woman I used to love, and gave 20-odd years of my life to, has done this.

"I call her the monster now. She's evil. Pure evil. And the kids don't want anything to do with her."

Mr George said he believed his wife's obsession with Blanchard, who received a police caution for possession of indecent images of children in 2002, lay behind her crimes. He disclosed that his wife had made hotel bookings on his credit card for illicit trysts with Blanchard although the pair never met until they appeared in court.

Transcripts of text and email traffic viewed by The Daily Telegraph show that George sent Blanchard a message speaking of her chance encounter with a little boy as he waited for his mother outside a lavatory cubicle. The married mother of two ended the message with the words: “That would have been the perfect opportunity to snatch him, wouldn’t it?â€￾
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6258910/Nursery-paedophile-Vanessa-George-Ill-be-out-in-two-years.html
 

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Dakota

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"Hambeast" must have been coined with her in mind.
A nursery worker who sexually abused children in her care admitted her crimes were "disgusting" and "vile", on police tapes obtained by the BBC.

Yet Vanessa George, 39, from Plymouth, ignored pleas to name her victims.

She claims Colin Blanchard, 39, from Rochdale, urged her to take indecent images after they met via Facebook and that she agreed to gain his attention.
[...]

Tapes of George's police interview, released to the BBC's Inside Out South West programme as part of an investigation, reveal her claiming to have told Blanchard to "put a ring on my finger" in exchange for pictures.

George admits photographing her victims in the toilets, out of view of colleagues, and choosing younger children because they were easier targets.

"I knew it was wrong when I was doing it. It's vile," she tells officers, adding that she "wasn't doing it for enjoyment".

"I'm fuming with myself, really... it's absolutely disgusting," she says.

She initially claims she cannot remember whose photograph she took on her "fun phone".

However, when pressed during later interviews, she refuses to co-operate, even when officers produce photographs of her abusing the children.

One pleads with her: "Help the families who are out there now, stressed, worried, concerned for their children....please help us and tell us who you took pictures of.

"Vanessa, please. For them….as a mother you'd want to know. Don't you care?"

However, George simply replies: "No comment".


Det Insp Costas Nassaris, who led the investigation into George's actions for Devon and Cornwall Police, told the BBC it was questionable how much she regretted her actions.

"She clearly knows that what she did was wrong and there was some of that expressed," he said.

However, the detective said she was "still trying to manipulate the situation to some degree" by trying to work out "what she could get away with and deny".
[..]

Recordings of the early interviews reveal how George thought Blanchard, 39, was "nice looking" when they struck up their online relationship about six months before her arrest.

He asked her about her fantasies, she claims, adding: "I thought 'I've got a kinky one here', so I'll play along with it."

Blanchard eventually asked her to take photographs after she told him she worked in a nursery, George tells the officers.

"I've gone 'yeah, alright then'," she says, adding that she was joking when she asked him: "What would you do for me if I done that for you?"

George claims she then told Blanchard: "You'll have to put a ring on my finger to make me do things like that."

She told officers: "The more photos you take the more you get back, you know, in interest... it was attention back."
[...]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8302520.stm

Video at link. She's not even upset or worried sounding in the interview. :puke:
 

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Marv

Trusted Member
"I'm fuming with myself, really...
I'm sure she is. Fuming with herself for getting caught!

And note to police: don't plead with this fucking hambeast-paedoslut-skanky-cunted BITCH! BEAT IT OUT OF HER!!!!! Or, take away her cream cakes and pies for a few hours and she will be begging to give the names of these poor kids!!!!

She is evil personified. Hang the bitch. (with a steel cable, of couse)
 

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Dakota

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This story just keeps getting more sick:
The husband of paedophile nursery worker Vanessa George attempted suicide after learning the content of sick e-mails sent by his evil wife, it has been reported.
[...]

Mr George said the messages were sent while watching children playing at the Harlyn Sands Holiday Park in North Cornwall, which had been a family favourite.

One allegedly said: "This is like a goldmine here, there are so many children running free, no immediate parent around, easily one could go missing."

The report said George came across a little girl on her own in the toilets, and later wrote to Blanchard: "I could have grabbed her. We could have booked a room in a Premier Inn and done what we want, abuse for our own pleasure."

Mr George said he thought the kidnaps had been close to happening, and could have ended in multiple killings.

He told the Sunday paper: "I feel dirty and ashamed to have been married to her."

He is reported to have dressed up smartly and told his daughters to go to their grandparent's house after school, before taking an overdose of pills on Tuesday morning.

But a friend who had called with a message of support alerted the police after noticing how drowsy he seemed.

Mr George was reported to have received help from psychiatrists and has vowed not to attempt suicide again.
[...]

Mr George and his two daughters still live in the house on Douglass Road they shared with disgraced Vanessa, 39.
http://www.thisiswesternmorningnews.co.uk/news/Paedophile-s-e-mails-prompted-suicide-bid/article-1411087-detail/article.html
 

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Marv

Trusted Member
Jeez, we go to Cornwall - a lot. It's a lovely part of the world and I have always said I would love to live there if I could. But this bitch has just spoiled it for me.

It's so scary to think that while a normal, happy family is relaxing and enjoying their holiday, a sick fuck could be watching their kids and just waiting for a chance to steal them away and do unspeakable things to them. Yet more proof that you have to be vigilant with your kids all the time.

I mean, you know it happens and that they are watching and waiting for the opportunity, but reading it like this........That has come directly from the diseased mind of a true paedo, so reading her thoughts just really brings it home.

That article made me go all cold, DV.
 

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AngelFire

Your dream or your nightmare. You decide.
I can't even begin to put into words the amount of rage this story has created inside me. How can human beings like this exist? Kill them, kill them all and let's get on with life. This kids will need a lot of support from their families.
 

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skeptik

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Can I just say I really enjoy the outrage that Brits express? Hurling flour and chasing after police cars, Americans could take a lesson.

These fuckers are so goddamn disgusting I can't find words for it.
 

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Dakota

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A heavily pregnant mother of eight has been charged in connection with the nursery paedophile case.

Tracy Lyons, who is expecting her ninth child in two months, is suspected of being the fourth member of the abuse ring.

The 39-year-old, from Portsmouth, appeared at the city's magistrates' court charged with the sexual abuse of a child, taking an indecent image of a child, and distributing indecent images of a child.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219897/Nursery-paedophile-admits-crimes-disgusting-vile-refuses-victims-Vanessa-George-Little-Teds-nursery-colin-Blanchard-Angela-Allen.html
Miss Lyons was understood to have been traced by a video she is alleged to have sent to Colin Blanchard, an online accomplice of George who made contact with women on Facebook in one of Britain’s most depraved child abuse networks.

Police sources said it was believed Lyons had no direct link with George, nor the Little Ted’s nursery in Plymouth, where George worked.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6310710/Fourth-woman-arrested-over-Vanessa-George-paedophile-network.html
 

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Marv

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219897/Nursery-paedophile-admits-crimes-disgusting-vile-refuses-victims-Vanessa-George-Little-Teds-nursery-colin-Blanchard-Angela-Allen.html

The heavily pregnant mother of eight charged in connection with the inquiry into paedophile Vanessa George also worked in a nursery, it has been revealed.
[...]

Lyons, who is seven months pregnant, has also worked with young children and was employed as a volunteer classroom assistant last year at the privately-run Izzies Nursery half a mile from her home.
[...]

Distraught parents have today confronted staff at Izzies over the employment of Lyons at the nursery, demanding to know if their children had been safe in her care.
[...]

But senior managers said Lyons had been fully supervised during her time at the nursery and CRB checked. Lyons would have had direct contact with children with her role helping them with their reading and writing.
[...]

'The nursery insist she was fully checked but it is worrying she was allowed to work here and I do not believe she was supervised as that would be very difficult to do.
 

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Marv

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223740/Nursery-monster-Vanessa-George-names-children-abused.html


Nursery paedophile Vanessa George has finally broken her silence and identified some of the young children she abused.

Five months after her arrest for sexually abusing toddlers at Little Ted's nursery in Plymouth, Devon, the former classroom assistant has confessed which children were involved.

Senior police sources said she had given the names of at least 10 of the abused children, all aged under three, ahead of her sentencing next month.

Families of children who attended the nursery have been forced to endure months of agony wondering whether their youngsters were abused.
[...]

Some parents said they did not want to know if their children had been abused by George - but others demanded she tell the truth, including her own husband, who has disowned her.
 

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Echo

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Those poor little babies! OMFG.

It's disheartening to hear parents say they would rather not know that their child has been molested by this woman. I understand that its beyond devastating to find out that someone has hurt and violated your baby in such a horrible way, but don't you think they HAVE to know to be able to properly take care of and support their child who is now a victim of sexual molestation? Even though they are 2 years old problems and behaviors are sure to arise due to what has been done to them by a trusted adult.

These parents cant afford to put their heads in the sand.
 
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Rawrehz

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how disturbing. Thank God her husband disowned her, right on for him.
I just do not see how people love to fondle with the little babies bippys. Sick and twisted and cruel.

If I was a parent of one of these toddlers, I'd most definitley want to know if my dearest little wee was touched by this sicko. So I can hunt her down and scalp her.
 

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