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Yeah you can buy fully auto legally for 20-30k. People seemed surprised they are legal.
Getting one legally requires a permit from the BATFE, which requires a signoff from the chief law enforcement officer in the area and a $200 transfer tax as well as a background check by BATFE.

BATFE is currently running right at a year to get an approval or denial back to the applicant.

And you still cannot go to Wal*Mart and buy a fully automatic firearm.

--Al
 
now i wonder if the country community will be supported with the same intensity as the lgbt community was when orlando happened. between this and tom petty (reportedly) dying of a heart attack, well, it's a shitty day for lovers of boring music.
seriously though my heart goes out to all the victims and their families and loved ones, as well as those in the area that saw all that darkness.
the numbers as far as how many dead and injured just keeps growing too! i agree with miss Everjaded... posting the numbers of murdered people does seem like a double dog dare to the next generation of electronically raised hellions. but there is also legitimacy in the public need/desire to know these things...so like everything else good and legit, some assholes inevitably ruin shit for everyone.
 
My mother is somewhere in Nevada. I have no fucking clue where.
I don't think she even knows this singer, so I highly doubt she was at the concert BUT she has a gambling addiction.
I tried to call her this morning. Of fucking course it goes straight to voicemail.
This is the kind of drama queen she is. She must certainly know people are going to be worried about her. So, yeah. Turn off the phone.

The other 5 people i know who live there are all safe.
So why can't I get an answer from my mother?
/rages
Ok, so. She sent me a fucking TEXT to tell me she's fine.
 
now i wonder if the country community will be supported with the same intensity as the lgbt community was when orlando happened. between this and tom petty (reportedly) dying of a heart attack, well, it's a shitty day for lovers of boring music.
seriously though my heart goes out to all the victims and their families and loved ones, as well as those in the area that saw all that darkness.
the numbers as far as how many dead and injured just keeps growing too! i agree with miss Everjaded... posting the numbers of murdered people does seem like a double dog dare to the next generation of electronically raised hellions. but there is also legitimacy in the public need/desire to know these things...so like everything else good and legit, some assholes inevitably ruin shit for everyone.
Apparently not because they were most likely Republican
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-country-music-fans-often-are-republican.html
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CBS has parted ways with one of the company’s top lawyers after she said she was “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting because “country music fans often are Republican,” when discussing the mass shooting that unfolded in Las Vegas late Sunday night.

Monday night she issued a statement of apology.

Hayley Geftman-Gold, the network's now-former vice president and senior counsel, said, “Earlier today I posted an indefensible post in a Facebook discussion thread concerning the tragic Las Vegas shooting, a statement I sincerely regret. I am deeply sorry for diminishing the significance of every life affected by Stephen Paddock’s terrorism last night and for the pain my words have inflicted on the loved ones of the victims. My shameful comments do not reflect the beliefs of my former employer, colleagues, family, and friends. Nor do they reflect my actual beliefs — this senseless violence warrants the deepest empathy. I understand and accept all consequences that my words have incurred.”
[doublepost=1506995346][/doublepost]The fucking hateful shit she wrote.

Geftman-Gold took to Facebook after a gunman opened fire at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival in Las Vegas, killing at least 59 people and sending more than 510 others to hospitals.

A @CBS legal exec thought the Las Vegas victims had it coming. pic.twitter.com/YjeSyAox59

— Brandon Morse (@TheBrandonMorse) October 2, 2017
“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs [sic] will ever do the right thing,” Geftman-Gold wrote in a now-deleted message that was first reported and captured by The Daily Caller.

Geftman-Gold continued: “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc [sic] country music fans often are Republican gun toters [sic].”

Geftman-Gold is presumably referring to Sandy Hook, which occurred in Newtown, Conn. back in 2012. A 20-year-old gunman, Adam Lanza, killed 20 children and six adults during the tragic event that sparked intense political debates regarding gun control.
 
one of the company’s top lawyers after she said she was “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting because “country music fans often are Republican,”

You do know that you can feel sympathy towards someone even if you don't particularly like them. Even if you don't even know them. Why say something as crass as this and then apologize. You must have meant it, or you wouldn't have said it.

Most people would have realized what an utterly horrible thing they were thinking and not said it out loud. What makes people think that they have permission to say and do the most awful things these days and then get mad because they are called on their behavior.

This is one of those occasions where "If you don't have anything nice to say then keep your fucking mouth shut!"
 
Appalling.

I could live with the first paragraph, which I assume references our long delayed national discussion on gun control. In the second, what the fuck happened?

A small stroke or aneurysm, some internal flow of consciousness that was never meant to be voiced, whatever, that was inexcusable.
 
Reached by telephone, Paddock's lawyer at the time, Jared R. Richards, said he could not comment because of client confidentiality concerns.

I hate this type of shit. Your client is dead and people want to understand what happened. Who gives a shit about client confidentiality at that point? Fucking nonsense.

Anyways, i read the shithead may have utilized a bump stock, which from my limited understanding can be quite easily installed on a run of the mill semi-automatic rifle to achieve this effect...



From what i understand, there are no laws against the sale of these bump stocks.
[doublepost=1507048921,1507047611][/doublepost]Him being rich as shit makes it more understandable he'd do something like this. Rich people often have a different mindset, less empathy for their fellow man, less humanity. Wealth and sociopathy go together like my face and big round ass. People will keep making a fuss about how successful he was and how weird it is for him to have done this. I'd bet half a nut(more painful to cut one in half rather then just take out the whole thing in its entirety) that this piece of shit was ripping people off in business deals and playing hardball asshole type business tactics his whole professional life. He prob got rich being a prick.

Not all sociopaths roam the streets raping and serial killing.

The dipshit bro says if he was having money problems, the family woulda helped. How dumb can you fucking be? It's bad enough the bro says he wasnt a gun enthusiast(obviously didnt know his bro very well). It's clear as day that a man like this would not have wanted his familys assistance in such a situation. It's clear this guy likely was a greedy asshole who would be filled with rage if he lost a significant sum of money, especially if he lost it thru what he viewed to be unfair means.

Def banking on him having some beef with Vegas/casinos/the gambling industry over some perceived slight or gambling loss and this being his method of lashing out.

I want to know more about this lawsuit. Coulda been the motive all on its own.
 
Right, it seems all his gear was legal. Gun enthusiasts are concerned that this shooter used their favorite rifles and are deathly afraid of possible repercussions from this, haha just kidding the President is a white Republican.
 

Yeah i knew that much. Sounds like he was a real piece of shit filing frivolous bullshit like that.

That does shed details on the monetary aspect of the lawsuit. That right there could have been what caused this, or it at least could have been what set the gears in motion and then some other more recent petty beef or grievance sent him over the edge.

I wonder if he legit had lasting physical ailments he blamed on that incident, that too could have built up over time and led to something like this years later.

Then again, he may have simply fucking HATED trash, shit country music. I honestly would understand his actions 100% if that was in fact his only motive.
 
You do know that you can feel sympathy towards someone even if you don't particularly like them.
Even I had some amount of sympathy for the guys I was in firefights against. It didn't slow me down, they were shitbags and were trying to stop me, but they were people and I felt some sympathy for them afterwards. People who state they don't have sympathy for any particular group are sociopathic. She is a prefect example of the current elitist mentally (which is a major indicator of being a sociopath) that is running, not just the media, but the country as well.
 
I keep reading and hearing our law makers remark that it is too soon to have a conversation about gun reform laws.

After 273 mass shootings in this country in 2017 alone I ask exactly when will it be the right time to have that conversation?

Exactly what number of victims in a mass shooting incident would be adequate to begin that conversation do you suppose? I wonder.
 
I keep reading and hearing our law makers remark that it is too soon to have a conversation about gun reform laws.

After 273 mass shootings in this country in 2017 alone I ask exactly when will it be the right time to have that conversation?

Exactly what number of victims in a mass shooting incident would be adequate to begin that conversation do you suppose? I wonder.

There is no adequate number of victims. Americans love their guns too much. Politicians love campaign contributions too much. Gun manufacturers love making money too much. The victims of mass shootings are just a price we pay for freedom.

Americans don't give too much of a fuck about the 1st Amendment but come near the 2nd and it's

SHALL NOT INFRINGE!!!!!1111

@Victoria at least you can take comfort in knowing that our president has pledged to protect our constitutional rights (lol).
 
The problem with gun control is that it won't make that much of a difference. I don't mean this in a bad way.

People like this, or any other pyscho, will find a way. They will always find a way. Just like junkies. All those drugs are illegal, yet they manage to get them quite easily.

As of everything I've read so far, this guy didn't seem like he gave any indications. He obtained his guns legally. No one really thought he was this type. He passed his background checks to get them. With all that, it seems he was quite determined. Had he not had these already, and they were illegal, he still would've found a way.

It sucks. This whole thing sucks. But unfortunately, there's not much that could've prevented it.
 
The problem with gun control is that it won't make that much of a difference. I don't mean this in a bad way.

Well the only gun control that will work is getting rid of guns. That will never happen for the reasons I listed above.

Hell, the gun nuts are already claiming a lefty/democrat conspiracy is behind the Vegas shootings...you know, to speed up the gun grabbing agenda.

Hard to argue with that logic! I'm sure Barak and Hillary were behind it!
 
The problem with gun control is that it won't make that much of a difference. I don't mean this in a bad way.

People like this, or any other pyscho, will find a way. They will always find a way. Just like junkies. All those drugs are illegal, yet they manage to get them quite easily.

As of everything I've read so far, this guy didn't seem like he gave any indications. He obtained his guns legally. No one really thought he was this type. He passed his background checks to get them. With all that, it seems he was quite determined. Had he not had these already, and they were illegal, he still would've found a way.

It sucks. This whole thing sucks. But unfortunately, there's not much that could've prevented it.

Then our lawmakers should stop the pretense and come right out and inform Americans that there will never be a time for a conversation about gun reform laws in this country.

There will be consequences, financial and otherwise when the public stop going to sports and entertainment venues for fear of being caught up in a spray of bullets. Same for going out to shop at our malls and even restaurants have come under fire. Hell, anymore parents have their hearts in their throats when they send their child off to school for fear of them being picked off like the ducks in the shooting rifle game you find on the carnival midway.
 
Thanks for the pics of the room. At the risk of sounding like one of those conspiracy nuts, doesn't it look... off... to anyone else?

This doesn't look like the set up of a lone gunman. What possibly would be the point of all those different rifles spread everywhere, when dude literally had a giant stack of magazines neatly piled up together? Far faster to change the magazine than it is to switch weapons.

Every time I read a new story, the alleged weapons count grows. It started off at like 10, then it was 16, then 20, now 23. Literally the definition of overkill. There's simply no NEED for so many rifles for a single gunman. That makes no sense to me.
 
Give me a fucking break with that hotel picture supposedly showing a note. A piece of paper is now automatically a manifesto? Give me a fucking break. That is indicative of nothing. Talk about grasping for straws.

If someone is buying a high number of guns, especially in a short span of time, a red flag should be sent up as part of the background check and law enforcement should look into the person, pay em an interview. You can still buy em, however the govt will understandably question you and seek to determine if youre someone they need to be keeping an eye on or if youre circumventing any laws. I understand a gun nut hating the idea of that, but i cant fathom how any rational ,reasonably minded person could find fault with it outside of the slippery slope concern or the issue of what defines a "high number".

These bump stocks should be strictly regulated as well. If someone is buying 12 of em, something is probably up. Honestly if someone is wanting just one, law enfrocement should question why. Again, at the very least law enforcement needs to be notified when someone is buying an exhorbitant amount of this stuff so they can investigate the person and ensure everything is on the up and up.

High round magazines, high number of magazines, same type of deal.

It's very annoying how the gun "debate" in this country is ALWAYS an all or nothing "argument". Conservative asswipes dont want ANY regulation, if anything they want less regulation, while the other side goes so overboard and extreme with it that it's no wonder gun nuts rage at the mere prospect of possible legislation. It IS perfectly doable to fairly and more effectively govern guns in this country without outright bans, however that fear is what dominates the thought process and nobody approaches the issue with a rational or fair mind. Fucking nonsense.

doesn't it look... off... to anyone else?

Yeah there's guns all over the fucking place and he made a little chair fort prob as a centralized location to place his weapons or just to have some last minute fun before ending it all.

Other then that, fuck no.

I am skeptical as to whether that's not fake news though. Be an easy set of pictures to stage for some fun or to sell em to a newspaper or however these came to be.


What possibly would be the point of all those different rifles spread everywhere

I think it's highly likely what is shown in that pic isnt how thing started out. He very likely had everything well organized and set up at first, so he could seemlessly unload one weapon and move right on to another, and each subsequent weapon would already be pretty much in place and ready to unload on people below.

when dude literally had a giant stack of magazines neatly piled up together?

This dude wanted to cause as much harm as possible. Why use one gun when you can unload 12? Why use only 12 when you can bring magazines and reload and go again after those 12 are spent? He started off with 12 loaded weapons, positioned to maximize his killing ability and efficiency. He had magazines on standby to continue on after running thru those. Speculation of course, but that seems to be the most obvious case here.

Far faster to change the magazine than it is to switch weapons.

Nonsense, at least in this situation, nonsense.

Not to mention, he clearly was a gun nut piece of shit. He no doubt enjoyed doing this, and anyone who has ever found enjoyment firing guns will attest to the fact that is is even more enjoyable when you can fuck around with different types of guns. What's more satisfying if youre target shooting for fun, using just one or even two weapons, or going with some friends and getting the chance to experience a wide and varied assortment? Most anyone who's experienced such things will most def tell you the latter. Same thing prob applied to this guy.

The conspiracy nonsense already running rampant around this story is so fucking annoying and totally baseless. No idea why people insist on buying into such bullshit, no idea why people go out of their way to question what's obvious.

People who state they don't have sympathy for any particular group are sociopathic

There's MANY groups of people i have legit ZERO sympathy for. Not only that, but i have deep seeded hatred for them. Most criminals fit that boat, certainly this piece of shit behind the vegas shooting. Im def not a sociopath however. What a dumb comment youve made here.
 
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People who state they don't have sympathy for any particular group are sociopathic

There's MANY groups of people i have legit ZERO sympathy for. Not only that, but i have deep seeded hatred for them. Most criminals fit that boat, certainly this piece of shit behind the vegas shooting. What a dumb comment youve made here.

o_O
 
Not to mention, he clearly was a gun nut piece of shit. He no doubt enjoyed doing this, and anyone who has ever found enjoyment firing guns will attest to the fact that is is even more enjoyable when you can fuck around with different types of guns. What's more satisfying if youre target shooting for fun, using just one or even two weapons, or going with some friends and getting the chance to experience a wide and varied assortment? Most anyone who's experienced such things will most def tell you the latter. Same thing prob applied to this guy.



This is absolutely correct... if you're target shooting for fun. When we go to the range we bring wide varieties of arms, and everyone shoots everyone else's shit that they don't normally have access to.

That's... not what this guy was doing though. It just doesn't make sense to me to keep switching things up when different guns and different scopes, hell, even different ammunition, will all affect things like aim and trajectory.

You sound like you go to the range and play around, so I know you know this: When do you do your best/most effective shooting? When you first pick up a new gun, or after you've been using the same one for awhile?

I feel like with the way this guy prepped everything, he was going for maximum damage, not just having fun plinking targets with as many different weapons as he could one last time before he offed himself. Who the fuck knows, though. Clearly this person wasn't rational.
 
@everjaded why do you keep beating around the bush about the scene not making sense? You obviously are buying into some conspiracy theory - just come out and say it. I'm interested to hear it and the logic behind it.
 
@everjaded why do you keep beating around the bush about the scene not making sense? You obviously are buying into some conspiracy theory - just come out and say it. I'm interested to hear it and the logic behind it.


No, I'm not buying into any conspiracy theory. I've already said exactly what I think. The set up doesn't seem logical to me.

That being said, I've also already stated that this guy clearly was not rational to have done something like this in the first place. So perhaps I'm trying to find logic where there is none.

Being that this happened in Vegas I'm entirely sure that the hotel had extensive recordings of the comings and goings of that room/area over the time he was checked in, on top of whatever he himself had set up to record. So if there was more than one party involved, there would be tons of evidence to support that.

All I'm saying is that - looking at the photos - if I wasn't told that this was carried out by one person, that's not the conclusion I'd have drawn. Simple as that.
 
That's... not what this guy was doing though

You dont think this shithead was doing this in part for his own personal enjoyment?

You sound like you go to the range and play around, so I know you know this: When do you do your best/most effective shooting? When you first pick up a new gun, or after you've been using the same one for awhile?

He was firing essentially fully auto from 400/500 yards away. This wasn't some DC sniper type of sharpshooting murder spree. It was indiscriminate raining down of bullets into a clusterfuck crowd of 20,000 people. It was fish in a barrel. "effective" shooting was merely pulling a trigger.

There is a scope on one of the guns in that pic, which further backs my belief he was just bringing along a bunch of guns for fun. I believe he was gonna unload with the automatic craziness and then if he got bored or had time he was going to play around and see how good his accuracy was and play around with that.

he was going for maximum damage, not just having fun plinking targets with as many different weapons as he could one last time before he offed himself. Who the fuck knows, though.

I dont think aimless mass carnage and having fun are mutually exclusive here. I think he took great joy in blasting thru that many rounds. Again, he did bring a rifle with a scope, and i think he did that for some variety. Had cops not found him and that crowd dissipated to the point where the wanton haphazard fish in a barrel fully auto fire wasnt going to be as effective, i think he woulda started sharpshooting.

Clearly this person wasn't rational.

Scary thing is a guy who successfully plans out something like this and from what we know thus far, might have kept it secret from those closest to him despite it being in plans for at least several months, is anything but irrational. This was a careful, well planned, meticulous plot. This was the work of a careful, rational thinker for sure.
 

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