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knockout

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I seriously doubt they’re trying to discredit the victim, by stating they found some weed in his apartment, no one cares it had nothing to do with the shooting. They found weed and they have to list what they took from his apartment , that’s all. Talk about turning regular procedure into a big conspiracy
 

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Keepalowprofile

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I seriously doubt they’re trying to discredit the victim, by stating they found some weed in his apartment, no one cares it had nothing to do with the shooting. They found weed and they have to list what they took from his apartment , that’s all. Talk about turning regular procedure into a big conspiracy
Why are they searching his apartment? Why take the weed and list it as evidence. I doubt they took every single item from his apartment.
I have issue with it even being mentioned let alone log it as evidence and release that to the media. Texas is full of Rusty crusty old farts that think weed is the devils salad. While wine, burbon, whiskey etc is nectar from the gods.

It looks as if LE is trying to make him guilty of his own death.
 

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TheMorningStar

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Weed is still illegal in Texas. The police can't just leave it there.
However....
This is a crime scene and I do not understand why the police need a warrant to secure/inventory it. Is this standard procedure? Also, even though its existence is irrelevant, I'm not sure how they know the weed actually belonged to him.
 
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Craygor

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[...]

Guyger told police that when she went into the dark apartment, she saw a silhouette and thought she was being burglarized. She drew her gun, gave commands "that were ignored" and fired twice, striking Jean once in the torso, the affidavit stated. She then turned on the lights and realized she was in the wrong apartment, according to police records.

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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/09/14/week-ago-botham-jean-killed-dallas-officer-amber-guyger-know-questions-remain
Even if Guyger's statements are true, who in the fuck trained this stupid idiot? I was trained not just as to fight in combat, but also as a police officer and there is no fucking place in the "Force Continuum" where it says to shoot someone just because your commands were ignored without a recognized deadly threat visible. She saw a silhouette and it didn't fall to the ground fast enough, so she got pissed or scared and executed the poor bastard? Fuck you, asshole.
 
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CentreAussie

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This whole case, and the investigation around it just smacks of white privilege; "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine too."
SMDH at this shit, yet there are still too many dumb fucks who are clueless to the truth of why people #TakeAKnee.
Screw off with that shit.

I think you really mean 'cop' privilege. What exactly do you think the cops would be doing differently if the victim was white and the cop was black? Immediately take responsibility and offer a cash settlement? Nope.

Just past sunrise the morning after a Minneapolis police officer shot and killed Justine Ruszczyk Damond, more than a half-dozen state agents piled into the victim’s house on Washburn Avenue, searching for blood, hair, guns, ammunition, knives, drugs or “writings” that would help them understand what happened.

Don Damond, the victim’s fiancé, was still trying to get back to Minneapolis from out of town.
http://www.startribune.com/search-of-justine-damond-s-home-draws-scrutiny-in-southwest-minneapolis/440401093/

Race-baiter.
 
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Siobhan

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Screw off with that shit.

I think you really mean 'cop' privilege. What exactly do you think the cops would be doing differently if the victim was white and the cop was black? Immediately take responsibility and offer a cash settlement? Nope.


http://www.startribune.com/search-of-justine-damond-s-home-draws-scrutiny-in-southwest-minneapolis/440401093/

Race-baiter.
The only baiting I do is for gators in the miles of salt flats by the Gulf coast.
You, OTOH seem to try chumming for mullet where ever you go:

White men gave you the freedom to decide your own future. If you want to be future leader, I'd suggest learning some history first.
I'd suggest you're not up on world history. Of things like, democracy and the rule of law, the invention of everything you take for granted, in fact western civilization as a whole. We built the framework of western freedoms as you know them. We gave you the ability to fight. In a lot of places you'd be beaten back into the kitchen. I'm all for equality, but I'm sick of western women (the most privileged class of human being to ever exist in history) crying "But, muh oppression, men suck!"

Modern feminists aren't anti-oppression, they are pro-"Fuck men, I don't need them."
 

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CentreAussie

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The only baiting I do is for gators in the miles of salt flats by the Gulf coast.
You, OTOH seem to try chumming for mullet where ever you go:
I thought it pretty clear that I was slagging off 3rd wave millennial feminist idiots and also why. Not baiting them.

To some people, race is the issue at the heart of everything. Those people tend to get as much credibility as they deserve.
 

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Satanica

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https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-fired-over-botham-jean-shooting/597599666
Amber Guyger, the Dallas police officer who faces a manslaughter charge in the shooting death of Botham Jean, has been fired, the Police Department announced in a news release Monday.

Chief Renee Hall fired Guyger, 30, during a hearing.

The news release said an internal affairs investigation concluded that Guyger "engaged in adverse conduct" when she fatally shot Jean at his South Side Flats apartment on the night of Sept. 6.

"Officer Guyger was terminated for her actions," the news release said.

Under Civil Service rules, Guyger can appeal her firing.

The criminal investigation in the case is ongoing.
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Last week, Chief Renee Hall said federal and state laws were preventing her from firing Guyger, though it was unclear what those laws were. Hall also said that an internal investigation could "potentially compromise the criminal investigation."

The Dallas Police Department general orders – the policies that officers have to follow and are governed by within the department – allow the chief to "circumvent all formal disciplinary procedures to render an immediate decision when it deems it necessary to preserve the integrity of the department.”
 

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LFODBiker

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@Craygor - Stupid question. Since she's been separated from the force, does that usually entail loosing the union provided lawyer? Or is that still in play until arbitration/reviews are exhausted?
 

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Satanica

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http://www.fox4news.com/news/search-warrants-detail-what-investigators-are-looking-for-online-in-amber-guyger-case
More search warrants relating to the Botham Jean shooting investigation have been released.
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The new search warrants only say what investigators wanted to look at and not what they found or why they wanted to investigate.

The items that were searched include Guyger's cell phone, her online Pinterest account, the Facebook page for South Side Flats, Jean's personal Facebook account, his cell phone and his laptop.

Even with almost a month since the shooting, very few public records in the shooting have been released.
 

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lithiumgirl

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So assuming the door was open and she strolled in...why would she have not realized immediately that she was in the wrong apartment?? All apartments can look alike--same layout, same white walls, same beige carpet, but the decor differs. How did she not realize that, "Holy shit, that's not my sofa! Those aren't my pictures hanging on the wall!"?
This happened to me once ... I got off on the wrong floor, and walked into someone else's unit, I was really confused because there was garbage all over the place and I stood there for a second wondering ...WHAT THE FUCKED HAPPENED HERE ???
and then I realised that not only was I on the wrong floor ... but that my downstairs neighbour was a fucking filthy hoarder.
I wasn't armed ... I didn't shoot anyone ... the police didn't show up. I just backed out saying ... Oops ... Sorry!
 

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LFODBiker

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This happened to me once ... I got off on the wrong floor, and walked into someone else's unit, I was really confused because there was garbage all over the place and I stood there for a second wondering ...WHAT THE FUCKED HAPPENED HERE ???
and then I realised that not only was I on the wrong floor ... but that my downstairs neighbour was a fucking filthy hoarder.
I wasn't armed ... I didn't shoot anyone ... the police didn't show up. I just backed out saying ... Oops ... Sorry!

Hell I've done similar (a few times I was actually sober, I shit you not). I've even once tried unlocking my downstairs neighbor's door by mistake.
The trick I've found is to check the numbers on the door. ;)
 

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Satanica

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http://www.fox4news.com/news/grand-jury-hearing-case-against-dallas-officer-amber-guyger
DALLAS - The criminal case against a fired Dallas police officer who shot and killed her neighbor is now being presented to a Dallas County grand jury.
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Grand jury proceedings are secret, so the details and evidence being presented by the Dallas County District Attorney will not be made public until the grand jury finishes its review, which began Monday. Guyger could be indicted for manslaughter, face an upgraded charge of murder or be cleared of any potential charges.

The attorneys for Botham Jean's family said Monday are hopeful for the maximum charge.

"This is an indictment that is highly anticipated by an international community,” said Jean family attorney Lee Merritt.

Among the people seen at the courthouse on Monday were Dallas County District Attorney Faith Johnson and members of the Jean family. Jean's mother was called into the grand jury to testify.

"They do have information that is probative on the days that Botham was killed because they were one of the last people to speak with him,” Merritt said.

The family's attorneys say they want the grand jury to get all the facts.

"This officer was able to find her keys, she was able to locater her car. She was able to locate the direction back to her apartment complex, but somehow she couldn't find her apartment. And these are answers, I think that the grand jury is going to want to know,” said Jean family attorney Daryl Washington.
[....]

Attorney Peter Lesser, who is not involved in the case says the grand jury has plenty of options on the bale.

"The question is, is there probable cause to believe that an offense has been committed. I think clearly the answer is yes. What offense, that's another question,” Lesser said.

Merritt said the grand jury’s decision is important for Dallas County.

"Not only is his family anticipating, but the world is watching,” Merritt said.

An announcement of charges could come as soon as Wednesday.
 

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Brillig

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Good, the bitch was charged with murder. Now they just need to convict her and give her a nice, long sentence.
 

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Satanica

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http://www.fox4news.com/news/first-court-proceeding-set-for-tuesday-in-amber-guyger-murder-case
Amber Guyger is expected to appear in court on Tuesday.

It will be the first time there will be any matters taken up before the judge since Guyger was indicted for the murder of Botham Jean. The fired Dallas police officer has a high-powered legal team defending her.

One of the big concerns for the defense is how much publicity the case has received.

It may only be a formality before Judge Tammy Kemp on Tuesday of scheduling a legal action a few weeks down the calendar. It’s called filing a pass slip. But nothing about the case is just a formality, and nothing about it will likely get a pass from the media and courthouse observers.
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“The attorney will go down to fill out what’s called a pass-slip, do a letter of representation and then they’ll will meet with the prosecutor,” explained George Milner, an attorney who is not involved in the case.

Jason Hermus, chief prosecutor for the Public Integrity Unit, is the lead prosecutor.

Milner says it is the normal process in any murder case except “in a case like this there probably would be no plea offer or plea negotiations. It’s just too big a case. Too premature for that.”
[....]
Milner feels like it’s too premature to request a change of venue but it will eventually take place.

“You've got people who believe she should never have been charged or they believe she's already guilty, and there’s no in-between,” Milner said. “And I mean if you're just loosely paying attention to the news, you know about this case.”

Robert Rogers, a long time police attorney and former prosecutor Toby Shook make up Guyger’s defense team. They’ve now added appellate specialist Mike Mowla to the team.

“It’s a perfect team,” Milner said. “That’s a very good team.”

Milner expects a flood of media to report on the team's every action until trial.

“I suspect they'll be media from all over the place — not just local and regional. I think there'll be media from everywhere,” Milner said.

The defense will also now be able to get discovery, meaning they’ll obtain copies of what the state has as it relates to the case.

There is likely to be several more basic steps in the case before important motions are filed.
 

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Satanica

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Guyger will make another court appearance this Friday at her third announcement hearing.

Court records indicate Guyger’s defense team is looking into the background of the woman who shot video of the pacing, then off-duty Dallas police officer, following the shooting of Botham Jean.

Ronnie Babbs heard the shot and decided to take the video which she then uploaded two days later. The family's attorneys brought it to the attention of the D.A. Babbs started speaking out after realizing there was a discrepancy in Guyger's account, and she couldn't let this slide by.

She is the only witness, so the Guyger's defense is busy digging for any possible dirt on Babbs. Attorneys Toby Shook and Robert Rogers are representing Guyger. They’re now digging into Ronnie Babbs. They've filed subpoena applications with four of her former employers and are wanting to know her employment history and any termination and disciplinary documentation. They also want to know about two theft cases from 2013 and 2012 connected to Babbs. Babbs also gave an interview that they will be watching closely.

I don't know why Babbs would have motive to discredit Guyger, so I'm not sure her background is going to be as big a factor as the defense would have us believe.



 

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Satanica

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That's why they're going to be on this witness like white on rice. It's their only hope, I believe.
 

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Keepalowprofile

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@Satanica said
. don't know why Babbs would have motive to discredit Guyger, so I'm not sure her background is going to be as big a factor as the defense would have us believe.
It's the dirty facts. They will dig up and enhance everything they can find.
The want to discredit her.
I honestly feel the judge should put a cap on shit like this.
 

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LFODBiker

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I don't know why Babbs would have motive to discredit Guyger, so I'm not sure her background is going to be as big a factor as the defense would have us believe.

Just trying to dig up mud. Video is hard to refute so the only thing left is to make the videographer look bad. The PD tried the same checklist in the hours/days following the shooting to try and justify the shooting. At least her lawyers are attempting the 'vigorous defense' so that shouldn't be one of the reasons to appeal when she's found guilty (provided the DA doesn't hose the case).
 

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Satanica

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DALLAS - The murder trial for a Dallas police officer who shot and killed her upstairs neighbor has been set for August.
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During an announcement hearing Monday morning, a judge scheduled Guyger’s trial for Aug. 12. State and defense attorneys also exchanged information related to the case but nothing happened in open court.

According to court documents, the state requested records from Royal Carribean about a cruise or cruises Guyger took between September 2018 and March 2019.

The court documents also reveal one witness was told to hand over a copy of the lesson plans for several courses Guyger would have taken during her time at the Dallas Police Academy from 2013 to 2014. Among them were courses on subjects like de-escalation techniques, use of force training and less lethal electronic control device training.

Another witness was asked to speak about Guyger's time card from August 15, 2018, until Sep. 7, 2018, the day after the shooting, the documents state.

The hearing was just one step in the process of gathering more evidence and witness testimony in the case.
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http://amp.fox4news.com/news/amber-guyger-appears-in-court-monday-for-hearing?__twitter_impression=true
 

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Satanica

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The Dallas Police Department is launching an internal investigation after a Dallas television station obtained the 911 call made by an off-duty officer who fatally shot a man in his own apartment.

WFAA-TV aired the entire 911 call Monday night from now-former Ofc. Amber Guyger the night of Sept. 6 when she entered the apartment of Botham Jean and shot him dead. The station didn’t say how they obtained the recording.

Police officials said Tuesday they still have not authorized the official release of the 911 call [....]
Well, whatever station is was I missed it. Must be one I don't have the app for on my phone, dammit.

http://www.fox4news.com/news/dallas-police-open-internal-affairs-investigation-after-amber-guyger-911-call-obtained-played-on-tv
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Satanica

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Ms. Guyger's attorneys are requesting a change of venue.

District Attorney's office objects to request for change of venue.
 

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Satanica

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New documents submitted by attorneys on both sides of the Amber Guyger murder trial reveal some of the main issues that may come up in court.

A hearing in the case is scheduled for Friday morning at 9 a.m. Jury selection is set to start next month.
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In the new documents, both sides appear to be anticipating certain issues about Guyger's character and her use of deadly force that might be brought up during trial and need to be discussed before being heard by a jury.

A new motion by the state says "the defendant will argue that her use of deadly force was justified as deadly force in self-defense." But the state says that argument requires reasonable "belief that would be held by an ordinary and prudent person in the same circumstances."

Criminal defense attorney Todd Shapiro is not involved in the case. He says the state may want to portray Guyger as a normal citizen who's held to the same standards as everyone else.

“Would an ordinary person in these circumstances have reacted in the same way that Ms. Guyger reacted? Would they have used the same amount of force?” Shapiro said. “Would they have reacted the same was as she did as opposed to a police officer reacting in the way she reacted?”

Another motion filed by the defense pleads for 'character trait evidence' to be allowed in court possibly to show committing a murder is not in Guyger's character.

“It seems from some of the things they’ve filed there may be some specific character traits they want to be able to get into about her that would shed some light on some positive character traits that may say she’s not the type of person that would’ve committed this kind of act,” Shapiro said. “That she’s not the type of person that would’ve committed a murder.”

Attorneys on both sides argue all these issues need to be heard outside the presence of a jury first in order to decide if they'll be allowed in court.
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A judge has yet to decide on a defense request for a change of venue out of Dallas County.

For Friday’s hearing, court officials say Guyger isn't required to be there, but there is a two-day pre-trial hearing scheduled for August 19 and 20 where she must be present.
 

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JackBurton

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Just give this rotten racist white trash hick bitch the death penalty like she deserves and let's be done with it.

Only a piece of shit racist would disagree with that.
 

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Satanica

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DALLAS - The judge in the murder trial for former Dallas police officer Amber Guyger did not rule on a request to move the case out of Dallas County.
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District Court Judge Tammy Kemp said she will try to find a jury in Dallas County first. If that is not possible, then she may move the trial.
 

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