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A limousine involved in a crash that killed 20 people in upstate New York Saturday failed to stop at an intersection seconds before the collision, officials said Sunday.

New York State Police First Deputy Superintendent Christopher Fiore confirmed that all 18 people in the limousine were killed, as well as two bystanders.

Fiore said the 2001 Ford Excursion limousine was traveling southwest on state Route 30 in Schoharie, about 170 miles north of New York City and 43 miles west of Albany, when it went through the intersection with Route 30A and struck a parked 2015 Toyota Highlander outside the Apple Barrel Country Store.

An aunt of one of the victims told The Associated Press the limousine was on its way to a birthday party when it crashed.

Valerie Abeling said newlyweds Erin Vertucci, 34, and Shane McGowan, 30 were among those killed. Abeling added that her daughter had been invited along but was unable to go.

National Transportation Safety Board Chairman Robert Sumwalt said it was the deadliest transportation-related accident in the U.S. since February 2009, when 50 people were killed after a Continental Airlines regional flight crashed into a house near Buffalo, N.Y.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/limousine-crashes-in-new-york-killing-20-after-failing-to-stop-at-intersection-officials-say
 
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Anosmia

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I'm so glad the limo guy's son has been arrested! Hopefully there's enough dirt on him to actually keep him behind bars.

On a different note, I just read some telling comments from the King sisters' brother:

“The girls are being buried together, although I don’t think I can say buried because all my sisters are being cremated,” sibling Tom King said outside his parents’ home in rural Amsterdam, about 35 miles northwest of Albany.

“It depends on the release of their bodies,” said King, 36. “As of last night, [authorities had] only ID’d 10 bodies,’’ or half of those killed in the horror.

King, one of seven siblings, said authorities “asked us for dental records, and tattoo and jewelry identification.”

If they haven't identified all the bodies yet and are asking for dental records and tattoo identification, the bodies are probably in very bad shape, not intact, etc.
 

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There’s actually a lot of new info in that article I linked to above involving 2 of the key questions in this case so far: was that limo on the road legally & was the limo driver properly licensed- the DOT says No but the lawyer for Prestige Limo says Yes...
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Kindlon said the state DOT conducted a periodic inspection last week and found minor infractions, including a broken window latch and faulty windshield wipers, but the issues were fixed. The DOT ruled the limo "roadworthy" last week, he said.

"I respectfully disagree with Gov. Cuomo. I would just ask for the investigation to take place so we can figure out exactly why the vehicle crashed," Kindlon said, adding that no recent failure or minor safety issues led to the crash.

State DOT spokesman Joe Morrissey, however, called the assertion that the limo had been cleared to be on the road "categorically false."

"The vehicle was subject to inspections, and the owner was warned not to operate the vehicle," he said. "The vehicle was placed out of service."
Was the driver properly licensed?
Kindlon also contends that the driver -- Scott Lisinicchia, 53, of Lake George -- was properly licensed, and that Prestige had checked multiple times with the state Department of Motor Vehicles, which confirmed Lisinicchia was in compliance.

Lisinicchia, who worked for Prestige as needed, had been with the company for years, the attorney said, and was a "very reliable employee and a great driver."

Investigators have said that determining Lisinicchia's state -- namely, whether he was impaired or fatigued in any way at the time of the crash -- will be integral to their probe.

The driver's brother, Keith Lisinicchia, told CNN affiliate WRGB that Scott Lisinicchia also drove tractor trailers and dump trucks and took his job seriously. He can't see his brother driving without the proper license, he told the station.

"I know that he always made sure that it was valid and was in order," he said.

The driver's wife, too, says he was an excellent driver and told CBS that she doesn't understand why there is so much focus on the license "because even if he didn't have the proper license, this still would have happened, and I feel like he still would have got blamed."

She said Prestige "should've been more responsible" when it had people's lives in its hands, according to CBS.

CNN's attempts to reach Kim Lisinicchia have been unsuccessful. Grant & Longworth, a law firm with which she has consulted, said in a statement the family requests privacy.

"The family believes that unbeknownst to (Scott Lisinicchia), he was provided with a vehicle that was neither roadworthy nor safe for any of its occupants," the statement said, without elaborating.

Prestige is looking into Lisinicchia's history as part of an internal investigation, Kindlon said. It's also collecting maintenance records, driver logs and ownership records, which it will turn over to authorities, he said.
Was the limo roadworthy?
Local, state and federal investigators are still trying to figure out why Lisinicchia plowed the Excursion through a stop sign and into a parked SUV on Saturday.
A focal point of the investigation will deal with the aftermarket modifications involved in converting the Ford SUV into a limousine. Investigators will also home in on the company's history.

Authorities seized three of the company's vehicles, as well as the modified limo involved in the crash, State Police Maj. Robert Patnaude said.

The company underwent five inspections in the last two years and had four vehicles taken out of service in that time, federal records show.

Kindlon says the vehicles taken off the road were sold or transferred, while those with safety or mechanical issues were repaired and returned to the fleet. But records from a September 4 inspection show the Excursion was taken "out of service," meaning it was prohibited from being on the road because it posed a hazard.

Among the problems behind that designation were a lack of or defective emergency exits, seating in excess of the manufacturer's designed capacity and an unspecified violation of the requirement to keep records dealing with inspection, repair and maintenance of parts and accessories, according to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration.

The inspection also yielded seven lesser violations that did not warrant the vehicle being taken off the road. Among them: improper display of the carrier's name and/or federal DOT number, registration or license plate violation, a problem with the hydraulic brakes, inoperable or defective windshield wipers and a failure to repair defects noted in a previous inspection.

Prestige can provide records showing that the entire brake system was replaced in June, Kindlon said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/10/us/new-york-limo-crash/index.html
 

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If they haven't identified all the bodies yet and are asking for dental records and tattoo identification, the bodies are probably in very bad shape, not intact, etc.
This is confusing. The limo looks mostly in tact in the photos from after the accident. How could the bodies be so hard to identify? What am I missing?
 
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This is confusing. The limo looks mostly in tact in the photos from after the accident. How could the bodies be so hard to identify? What am I missing?
Deceleration forces,maybe?

The limo was doing some 50 miles an hour until it went into the ravine, where it suddenly stopped. The passengers, not being belted in, continued moving at 50 mph until they struck something or somebody that stopped them, also suddenly. Remember, acceleration is change in velocity divided by change in time, so the greater the change in velocity or the less time it takes the greater the acceleration is.

Crumple zones at the front and rear of an automobile are designed to increase the time it takes to come to a stop. I gather that the modification of the Expedition into a limo was not sanctioned by Ford so the crumple zones may well have been inadequately resistive for the increased weight of the vehicle, which would allow them to collapse faster and impose greater acceleration upon the occupants.

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Deceleration forces,maybe?

The limo was doing some 50 miles an hour until it went into the ravine, where it suddenly stopped. The passengers, not being belted in, continued moving at 50 mph until they struck something or somebody that stopped them, also suddenly. Remember, acceleration is change in velocity divided by change in time, so the greater the change in velocity or the less time it takes the greater the acceleration is.

Crumple zones at the front and rear of an automobile are designed to increase the time it takes to come to a stop. I gather that the modification of the Expedition into a limo was not sanctioned by Ford so the crumple zones may well have been inadequately resistive for the increased weight of the vehicle, which would allow them to collapse faster and impose greater acceleration upon the occupants.

--Al
That was a sexy answer. I like big brains.
 

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After seeing that video of the limo crash test and hearing they haven't ID'd all the bodies, I am amazed that one of them lived long enough to die at the hospital. Does anyone know which one it was?
 

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The results of the autopsies, conducted by Dr. Michael Sikirica, are not particularly surprising; so-called "blunt force trauma" is the most common cause of fatalities in automobile crashes. However, the description of the injuries — as "severe" and "multiple" — speaks to the severity and powerful impact of the collision that caused the deaths.

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The State Police said in its news release that investigators are still "awaiting the results of toxicology tests."

Those tests could answer whether the driver, 53-year-old Scott Lisinicchia, was at all impaired at the time of the crash.

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https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2018/10/19/ny-limo-crash-20-victims-cause-death-state-police/1698377002/
Also, "There was no sign of skid marks, officials said."
 

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SARATOGA SPRINGS, N.Y. — The former manager of a Mavis Discount Tire outlet told investigators last month that the Saratoga Springs auto shop had falsified invoices and failed to perform critical brake work on the stretch limousine that crashed in Schoharie last year, killing 20 people.

The alleged falsification of the records and the shop's purported failure to perform work on the 2001 Ford Excursion were part of a systemic practice at the auto service outlet as it tried to meet corporate sales quotas, according to court records.

Schoharie County District Attorney Susan J. Mallery disclosed the information in a letter this week to attorneys for Nauman Hussain, who operated the Wilton-based limousine company that owned the Excursion. Hussain was indicted in April on manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide charges — one count apiece for each of the 20 crash victims.
[....]
In a Sept. 17 interview with investigators, Virgil W. Park Sr., who no longer works at Mavis, told investigators that he had purchased a "Wearever brake master cylinder" from Advance Auto Parts on May 4, 2018, about a week before the auto shop worked on the limousine. (In her letter, Mallery misspelled Park's name as "Parks.")

Although a Mavis invoice dated a week later indicates the brake part had been installed on the stretch Excursion, Park said another employee, Chikezie Okoro, "told him that the part was not installed."

"Instead, this part was returned to Advance Auto Parts on May 12, 2018," Mallery wrote. "Mr. Parks (sic) stated that he learned this information from Mr. Okoro shortly before Mr. Parks was terminated by Mavis in February 2019."

The brake master cylinder is a device that transfers the force from a driver's foot on a brake pedal into hydraulic pressure to slow or stop a vehicle.
 

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Also, "There was no sign of skid marks, officials said."
Now we know why.
SARATOGA SPRINGS, N.Y. — The former manager of a Mavis Discount Tire outlet told investigators last month that the Saratoga Springs auto shop had falsified invoices and failed to perform critical brake work on the stretch limousine that crashed in Schoharie last year, killing 20 people.
[....]
In a Sept. 17 interview with investigators, Virgil W. Park Sr., who no longer works at Mavis, told investigators that he had purchased a "Wearever brake master cylinder" from Advance Auto Parts on May 4, 2018, about a week before the auto shop worked on the limousine. (In her letter, Mallery misspelled Park's name as "Parks.")

Although a Mavis invoice dated a week later indicates the brake part had been installed on the stretch Excursion, Park said another employee, Chikezie Okoro, "told him that the part was not installed."
[...]
The brake master cylinder is a device that transfers the force from a driver's foot on a brake pedal into hydraulic pressure to slow or stop a vehicle.
[Emphasis added]

It's about what it sounds like, a cylinder with a fitted piston that slides deeper into the cylinder when one steps on the brake pedal Once the necessary slack in the system is taken up, pressure starts to build in the brake system. The piston has seals on it to prevent the escape of pressurized brake fluid to the non-pressure side of the piston. If those seals fail, there is no braking pressure. And no braking pressure means no brakes.

--Al
 

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