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Jaded

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BOISE, Idaho — Convicted child killer Joseph Edward Duncan III told a federal judge Friday that he wants to represent himself at his sentencing hearing.

A jury is being chosen to decide whether Duncan should be put to death for the abduction and slaying of 9-year-old Dylan Groene in 2005.

"I don't have an issue with counsel personally," Duncan said in court. "It's ideological. I don't believe that they can ethically represent my ideologies."

Duncan did not elaborate on what those ideologies are. But authorities have examined an Internet blog that he kept for months before the slayings which documented his internal struggle against right and wrong, railed against the ostracizing of convicted sex offenders, and offered religious views.

Duncan pleaded guilty in December to 10 federal crimes stemming from the 2005 kidnapping of Dylan and his then 8-year-old sister, Shasta Groene. Both were taken from their Coeur d'Alene home in May 2005 and sexually abused before Duncan shot and killed Dylan at a campsite in western Montana.

Duncan previously pleaded guilty in Idaho state court to killing the children's mother, Brenda Groene; her boyfriend, Mark McKenzie, and 13-year-old Slade Groene at the family home.

If Duncan represents himself, it could put him in the position to cross-examine Shasta Groene, the sole survivor of the murders and abduction.

It is not yet clear if either side expects to call Shasta as a witness.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351750,00.html

This is another case I have followed since the beginning and I hope the court proceedings are quick and this fucker gets death. Shasta has been through so much already...I hope she doesn't have to testify in front of this dickhead. :mad:
 
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impqueen

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Jet Duncan deserves his own section of Hell.

I think, were I a judge, I'd have Shasta testify on videotape. There are ways to circumvent the kind of trauma Duncan would put her through on the stand. Duncan wants to hurt Shasta, he will enjoy it, and he will do it in such a way that it is more painful to her than it needs to be.

This is a case where a well-placed bullet to Duncan's head would be a blessing for that little girl.
 

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Lucy

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Defense lawyers ask to withdraw from his case

http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/US/Default.aspx?id=206260

Lawyers serving as standby counsel for a man who murdered a family to kidnap and sexually abuse two children asked to withdraw from the sentencing phase of his federal case on Wednesday, but the judge refused.

The attorneys said they could not ethically continue as standby counsel for Joseph Edward Duncan III, who is representing himself, because he apparently intends to base his defense on an irrational and incomprehensible world view.
"We are not mouthpieces, we are not gunslingers ... that do the bidding of someone whose rationale we do not share and whose view of the world" is irrational, said Judy Clarke, one of Duncan's standby counsel. "We feel that the request is beyond what we should be asked to do ... beyond what our professional ethics allow us to do."

U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge, however, directed that they remain on the case, saying he would not allow it to be delayed any longer.

Jury selection resumed Wednesday after a more than three-month delay following Duncan's request to represent himself. During that time he underwent a battery of psychological tests and Lodge ruled late last month that he was mentally competent to serve as his own attorney.

Duncan is facing the death penalty after pleading guilty to 10 federal charges in the kidnapping of two northern Idaho siblings, ages 8 and 9, and the murder of the older child in 2005. The 8-year-old was rescued; it is unclear whether she will testify in the sentencing phase.

The children were taken from their Coeur d'Alene home in May 2005 after Duncan fatally bludgeoned their brother, their mother and her fiance. Duncan has pleaded guilty in state court to those three murders, which also could lead to a death sentence.

During jury selection, four potential jurors said seeing Duncan act as his own lawyer could affect their ability to be impartial.

"If he is able to come face to face with the little girl, that's ethically wrong," one potential juror said. "That's not right _ it's like abusing her again."
Clarke said Duncan doesn't intend to present any evidence about his own traumatic childhood or mental state as she and his other standby lawyers recommend.

"We do not share his theory of the case to the extent we can understand his theory of the case," Clarke said.
 

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celtic friend

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This just sets him to have appeals when he gets his death sentence. He will die from natural causes before he would ever get lethal injection.
 

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impqueen

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Jet Duncan is impossible to defend. No wonder his attorneys want outta that hellish case - especially if the rumored video of Shasta and Dylan's abuse at this bastard's hands does exist.
 

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Aelwynn

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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/26912109.html

BOISE, Idaho (AP) - As a jury hears prosecutors explain why he should be put to death for killing four members of a family and kidnapping a fifth, convicted pedophile Joseph Edward Duncan III might not offer a substantial counter-argument for why he should live.

Duncan is representing himself at his death penalty hearing, joining federal prosecutors Wednesday morning in choosing a jury for the process. Duncan's standby legal counsel, Judy Clarke, has said Duncan doesn't plan to offer any mitigation, such as evidence of his own traumatic childhood.

Opening arguments were expected to begin Wednesday immediately following jury selection.

Duncan isn't new to the legal system. His past is littered with arrests and prison time for crimes ranging from car theft to rape and molestation. He is suspected in the 1996 slayings of two half-sisters from Seattle, and is charged with the 1997 killing of a young boy in Riverside County, Calif.

In 2005, he came to Idaho. He stalked a family and then entered their Coeur d'Alene home, murdering 13-year-old Slade Groene, his mother, Brenda Groene, and her fiance, Mark McKenzie. Then he kidnapped the two youngest, 9-year-old Dylan Groene and then-8-year-old Shasta Groene.

He pleaded guilty to those murders in state court in 2006, and in January 2007 the federal government charged him with 10 felonies for the trauma he inflicted on Dylan and Shasta. They were threatened, sexually abused and tortured in the remote Montana wilderness, where Dylan was killed, according to court documents. Then he packed up Shasta and returned to Coeur d'Alene, stopping in the middle of the night for a meal at a Denny's restaurant, where a waitress recognized Shasta and called police.

In December, Duncan pleaded guilty to the federal charges, clearing the way for a jury to decide his fate.

The case won't be easy, the judge has warned potential jurors. They'll have to review horrendous evidence, including a videotape Duncan made of the "sadistic sexual abuse" of Dylan. They may hear poignant testimony from Shasta, the sole survivor.

What they likely won't hear is any mitigating evidence designed to lighten Duncan's culpability.

Former defense attorneys are serving only as "standby counsel," a sort of legal resource for Duncan as he presents his case.

Clarke has argued in court that Duncan is irrational and not mentally competent to represent himself. U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge disagreed.
As of today...this is the latest update.
 

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Dakota

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might not offer a substantial counter-argument for why he should live.
MIGHT NOT?? Try "can not" and "should not". I hate this one-man cluster fuck. (understatement of the century)
 

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Aelwynn

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Man...just his picture on that newest article I posted was enough to scare the living crap outta me.
 

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nurseronda

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A jury that will decide whether a convicted pedophile should be executed listened Wednesday as a prosecutor graphically described how the man killed members of an Idaho family, abducted two children and abused the youngsters at a campsite before murdering one of them.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, who is representing himself, told the 12-member jury in his opening statement that the prosecutor's narrative was "fair and accurate up to the point of what occurred at the campground."

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/639984.html
 

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lapsus.lingua

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Yes, thank God for forensic interviews! Let's just hope they have a local Child Advocacy Center and can get one done in time...
 

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Jaded

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BOISE - We've long known that Joseph Duncan kidnapped the two youngest Groene children and took them to a remote campsite in the Lolo National Forest in Montana, but prosecutors focused on another campsite - one that may have foreshadowed Duncan's plans.

In the week or two leading up to Duncan's attack at the Groene family home in Coeur d' Alene, it appears he had a different plan in the works.

In another remote campsite, in another forest, Duncan was camping and collecting children's items. In the Kootenai National Forest in an area known as Stryker, detectives found three small children's plastic swimming pools and a little girl's bicycle he stole from a residence days earlier. Police also found a tripod at the site, which was already set up.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation was able to find Duncan's campsite in Stryker through the global positioning system in his stolen Jeep.

That GPS also revealed numerous other suspicious stops, homes... all with the common denominator of children's play equipment in the yard.
http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_081908IDN_duncan_hearing_LJ.123d50be.html
 

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Sickia

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Yikes...I've been camping near Stryker (but well before JED was there)

I found this old article indicating he may have also been cruising neighborhoods in Missoula before heading west.

I-90 runs through Missoula west to Coeur d'Alene. It's a lovely drive.

The article states that the Groene family lived close to the interstate. How fucking convenient.

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2005/08/26/news/top/news01.txt

:mad2:
 
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mpratt

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Duncan, formerly of Tacoma, Washington, has a long string of arrests and convictions for crimes ranging from car theft to rape and molestation. He is suspected in the slayings of two half-sisters from Seattle in 1996 and is charged with killing a young boy in Riverside County, California, in 1997.

Can Someone please explain to me, how this system is so FLUCKED UP that he was walking in the streets and not hanging by his nutsac already?????????????????????????????????
 

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Lucy

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Jurors in Idaho murder case cry while shown videos taken by Joseph Duncan

update on court case - penalty phase

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Jurors cringed, cried and some desperately looked away as they were shown a series of deeply disturbing and graphic videos taken by a convicted child killer as he tortured, sexually abused and nearly killed a 9-year-old boy.

Federal prosecutors showed the video as part of their efforts to persuade the jury to recommend the death penalty for Joseph Edward Duncan III. He kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, their mother and her fiance. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of horrendous abuse at the hands of Duncan.

Duncan ultimately shot the boy point-blank in the head while his sister, then 8, watched. He was arrested after returning to Coeur d'Alene, where a waitress recognized Shasta as the two ate at a Denny's restaurant.

The videos and photos taken at the cabin show Duncan forcing the boy to perform a sex act, whipping him with a belt and hanging him with a wire noose until the boy passed out.

"The devil is here, boy, the devil himself. The demon couldn't do what the devil sent him to do so the devil came himself," Duncan yells in one video. "The devil likes to watch children suffer and cry."

Duncan covered his face as parts of the video were shown, and jurors frequently shot him looks. Two of Duncan's standby attorneys also avoided looking at the screen.

Duncan, a convicted pedophile originally from Tacoma, Wash., has pleaded guilty to federal and state counts including murder. The federal jury is considering the death penalty on charges related to the kidnappings and Dylan's murder, but he also could face execution on state counts in the other three killings.

After releasing Dylan from the noose, Duncan promised to take him to the hospital so his injured neck could be treated. He also promised to tell hospital staffers where to find Shasta, who had been left back at the campground, so they could come find her. He kept neither promise.

After that, Duncan offered to let Dylan watch the video of his "death," then wandered away from the camera where he could be heard singing part of the Lord's Prayer
 

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Just my luck sucks

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I have a fairly strong stomach, but, if I were a juror they'd have to supply me with a lifetime's worth of barf bags.

Those poor jurors, they will live the rest of their days with those awful, sick and disgusting images in their heads. With no way to bleach their brains.

Bless little Dylan-RIP

Shasta--may the rest of your life be filled with nothing but light and wonderful moments. Wishing you only the absolute best of everything.
 
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Dakota

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My heart cries at this.

Luckily, federal death sentences can be performed in a relatively short time. I think Duncan will push for quick.
 

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Jaded

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My heart cries at this.

Luckily, federal death sentences can be performed in a relatively short time. I think Duncan will push for quick.
Duncan's ego is too big to wanna go out quick. I see him dragging this out for as long as he possibly can. Whatever the asshole gets, it's way too good for him.
 

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Jaded

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I have a fairly strong stomach, but, if I were a juror they'd have to supply me with a lifetime's worth of barf bags.

Those poor jurors, they will live the rest of their days with those awful, sick and disgusting images in their heads. With no way to bleach their brains.

Bless little Dylan-RIP

Shasta--may the rest of your life be filled with nothing but light and wonderful moments. Wishing you only the absolute best of everything.
There is no way in hell I would want to be in the jurors shoes. Just reading the 'cleaned up' versions in the news makes me ill.
 

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Dakota

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Duncan's ego is too big to wanna go out quick. I see him dragging this out for as long as he possibly can. Whatever the asshole gets, it's way too good for him.
That was what was thinking but changed my mind when I saw he is not going to do any mitigating factors in the penalty phase. Virtual guarantee of a death sentence. He is a chickenshit and wouldn't want to be bored.
 

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Kitty

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http://hamptonroads.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D92QS5T00&_action=validatearticle

"Joseph Edward Duncan III has been sentenced to death for the 2005 kidnapping, torture and murder of a northern Idaho boy.
A federal jury deliberated just three hours before reaching the unanimous verdict. The jurors' recommendation was binding on U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge, who thanked them, dismissed them and then issued the sentence."

Too bad executions are required to be humane...
 

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jenthgr8

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I am so pleased that this sick fuck is going to die. I really feel some people are completely and thoroughly irredeemable, and Duncan is one of them. The guy is pure evil, through and through. He deserves to die painfully and horribly, like his victims. What a shame he won't suffer.
 

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Dakota

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Convicted killer Joseph Duncan is spending Monday being sentenced on a litany of charges related to the devastation he brought on a North Idaho family in 2005.

Duncan first faced a judge via video-conference to be sentenced on state charges. The judge, located in Coeur d'Alene, handed down three life sentences for the murders of Brenda Groene, Slade Groene and Mark McKenzie. Those sentences are fixed and will be served concurrently.

Later Monday morning, he was sentenced for seven more charges - including three additional life sentence for kidnapping and two counts of aggravated sexual abuse.

He was also sentenced to ten years each on four additional miscellaneous counts.

All together, Duncan has been sentenced to death, six life sentences and an additional 40 years in prison.

He could still face charges in California on separate crimes he is accused of.

"Your crimes exceeded all bounds of human decency and has left society in a state of shock," Federal Judge Edward Lodge said. "You must now pay the price with your own life."
http://www.ktvb.com/news/crime/stories/ktvbn-nov0308-duncan.177f4c20c.html

I think they should wait until he appears to be dying of natural causes before they impose the death sentence.

"Natural causes" includes extreme un-treated sepsis due to having a new asshole ripped in by Bubba.
 

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Dakota

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A revelation struck Joseph Edward Duncan III as he was about to kill an 8-year-old Idaho girl that changed his violent ways four years ago, a psychologist testified Wednesday.

But despite his self-described epiphany, Duncan remains delusional and incompetent to stand trial for the 1997 murder of a 10-year-old Beaumont boy, Dr. Art Kalechstien said.

Kalechstien was the fourth witness called as a witness for defense attorneys to pronounce Duncan incompetent. Two other psychologists called by the prosecution have said Duncan is not mentally ill and able to stand trial.
[...]

"Whatever the defense may be is irrelevant to Mr. Duncan," Kalechstien said. "He doesn't want to participate except to show people his epiphany. In my opinion, he will not cooperate with his attorneys at the end of the day."
[...]

Kalechstien listed a series of beliefs that showed Duncan suffered from delusions and a severe mental illness. Duncan's religious beliefs have included the notions that God wants him to kill; he blamed God for his behavior; and that a child of God cannot do good.

But Kalechstien agreed many of those beliefs may have changed since Duncan's arrest in 2005. Duncan has reported an epiphany he experienced on a mountain in Montana as he was about to kill 9-year-old Shasta Groene, whose parents in Idaho were slain by Duncan.

Since then, Duncan has proclaimed to six or seven other psychologists that he wants to spread his message of "The Truth."
[...]
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_E_duncan27.453b894.html

If found competent, the case will go to trial. If not, the case will be held until he is found competent. He has confessed to abducting and killing 10-year-old Anthony Martinez. By forcing a trial, he wants just another platform to shout his craziness from.

With all the death sentences and life terms he already has, I would just put him in a corner to rot until the executioner gets around to him.
 

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Jerri Blank

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Accused murderer of Beaumont boy gets his own investigator
The Press-Enterprise

The Riverside County Superior Court has appointed a special investigator on behalf of a man being tried for the murder of a 10-year-old Beaumont boy.

Judge David B. Downing appointed private investigator Enrique Tira to work with Joseph Edward Duncan during his upcoming capital trial.

Downing assigned the investigator to help Duncan prepare his defense, subpoena victims and collect evidence. Tira is being paid $75 per hour by the county without a cap, according to court records.

Duncan is representing himself on Riverside County charges for the 1997 kidnapping and killing of Anthony Martinez, who was taken from his Beaumont home. His body was found nearly two weeks later bound with duct tape and beaten with a rock.

Duncan has already received three death sentences and nine life terms for killing a family of four in Idaho. According to court records, he has confessed to Anthony's killing, but pleaded not guilty.

Both the Riverside County public defender's office and the Desert Conflict Defense Panel have rejected the case, citing a strain on resources.

The judge said last year that Duncan needed stand-by counsel to be ready to take the case if Duncan decides he needs an attorney or the judge ruled he can't represent himself. No attorneys have been assigned.

A trial is scheduled to begin in September. Duncan was ordered to appear Feb. 26 for a scheduling hearing.

Joseph Edward Duncan


Duncan and abducted Shasta entering a store

survivor: Shasta Groene, murder victims Dylan Groene & Anthony Martinez

Victims: Slade Groene, Brenda Kay Groene & Mark McKenzie / hammer similar to the murder weapon

When I first seen a update on Duncan and searched him I didn't get a thread hit. I am so horrifed by this case I was gonna PM someone to post his story 'cause I seriously do not have the power of spirit to do it.

glad I re-searched 'cause man this is one of Those cases you just don't shake off at the end of the day. I seriously don't even think I can handle the trial evidence on this one...
 
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Jerri Blank

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Wow!! holy shit is that him in drag?!

great find, thank you for sharing it.

I was shocked to see his name in the news, I thought we were done with this evil man

this is one fucked up case.. I really hope that video he took of abusing & murdering Dylan Groene never survives to make it to the public. that was always in my head after I first read this nightmare of a story.

what if people put it on the internet, it's such a disgusting thought :-(
 

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oh man. holy shit. i got a 10th of the way through hellsbells link. why the fuck do they let murderers get off. children would be alive if not for their fucked up laws. who gives a fuck about a murderer, about his freedom. nobody should give a f.u.c.k. i swear this system is run by by murderers and child molesters. I cannot stress enough that I am not playing
 

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