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A 5-month-old baby in Italy has died as the result of a circumcision performed by his parents at home.

The boy was in cardiac arrest on Friday afternoon and died that night.

The prosecutor's office has opened a manslaughter investigation, and the infant will undergo an autopsy.

The tragedy follows a botched home circumcision of a 2-year-old who died of severe blood loss in December in Rome. In that case, his twin brother nearly died, too, but survived following intensive care treatment.

Circumcision is not practiced among Italy's Roman Catholic majority. Many immigrants in Italy are Muslim and practice circumcision for cultural and religious reasons, but sometimes have trouble accessing the practice in hospitals.

For some, the hospital costs are too high. Also, in some Italian hospitals, doctors refuse to perform circumcisions until the boys have reached the age of 4 or even older.

Foad Aodi, the founder of the association of foreign doctors in Italy (AMSI), has appealed to health authorities to allow circumcisions at affordable prices and to lower the age of access to help fight clandestine attempts at circumcisions.
 
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Infant circumcision is an abomination that needs to stop existing. Research demonstrates that infant circumcision causes major, permanent changes to brain activity. Changes occur in brain regions associated with mood disorders. Extreme pain in infancy/early childhood can result in psychological and neurological activity patterns closely resembling long-term systemic child abuse. There can be sexual performance problems later on, most likely caused by vastly reduced sensation.

Non-orthodox jews, christians, and most muslims who have their infants circumcised have (big surprise) not actually read their own scriptures. The Quran does not mention circumcision at all. Multiple passages of The Bible actually denounce the practice.
"Circumcision counts for nothing, and its lack makes no difference either. What matters is keeping God’s commandments.” 1 Corinthians 7:18-19

Early mentions in medical literature were using circumcision for all kinds of batshit insane stuff. Preventing wet dreams and masturbation, a cure for bed wetting, curing "eye problems" and crossed-eyes, and more assorted insanity.
One physician claimed that performing it on blacks will prevent them raping white women.

If there are any American soon-to-be parents considering circumcision reading, do the research first. And if you decide against it (which you bloody should unless you're an Orthodox Jew), make damn sure your doctor knows it. Why? In disturbingly recent times, circumcisions have been performed immediately after birth without consulting the parents in any way. If your doctor tries to argue, tell him to fuck off and request a different doctor.


 
I had no idea Muslims did this though. I thought it was primarily a Jewish and American thing.
Same
Bible actually denounce the practice.
"Circumcision counts for nothing, and its lack makes no difference either. What matters is keeping God’s commandments.” 1 Corinthians 7:18-19
You take that WAAAY out of context. Paul was telling them basically you don't have to be a Jew to be a Christian
circumcisions have been performed immediately after birth without consulting the parents in any way
IDK what country you're in but in America we have to sign a consent. I really can't take you serious :hilarious:

Are we forgetting the types of bacteria that gets caught in that foreskin and the different infections it could cause? I get it. Everyone doesn't support the practice of circumcision. But for God's sake, at lease make a VALID argument as to why :rolleyes:
 
My father had to have one done when he was about 20. He was in the Navy & got some kind of infection. The pain of having it done as an adult was enough to ensure my brother had it done as an infant. So there are reasons.
Likewise, my son had to have it at age 12 because his foreskin could not retract. He lived in pain without telling us for quite a while, because when he would get an erection, the foreskin wouldn't let the glans escape, so he was stuck. The surgery and afterwards was painful, but once healed, he was so glad to have had it done. We didn't circumcise the first one because we couldn't afford it. Didn't do the other two because we didn't want them to think something was wrong.
 
Circumcision just wasn't a thing in England except for Orthodox Jews when I was growing up and going through my wild times there. The first night I was with my American husband I was like uhhhh you've got a bit missing, what happened? He had no idea what I was talking about :D

But seriously... if you don't know what you're doing, don't fucking chop bits off your kid. Your god would probably prefer your kid alive and intact than dead by stupid.
 
I dont know, both my boys are circumcised since day 1....yea prolly cause i dont know any different ( have never even seen an uncircumcised penis in my life) but at the same time i have never regretted the decision of having it done....hell i didnt even know it was a religious thing period til fairly recently and my boys are 20 and 11 now! To me circumcision is as normal and every day as the sky is blue and the grass is green.
 
Circumcision just wasn't a thing in England except for Orthodox Jews when I was growing up and going through my wild times there. The first night I was with my American husband I was like uhhhh you've got a bit missing, what happened? He had no idea what I was talking about :D

But seriously... if you don't know what you're doing, don't fucking chop bits off your kid. Your god would probably prefer your kid alive and intact than dead by stupid.
I'm laughing at your reaction to his penis. Not to the very good point you made


My father was uncircumcised (gee thanks Mom for sharing) and sometimes my mom would get vaginal infections after sex. I look at it more from a sanitation standpoint
 
I wavered about circumcising my son but deferred to my ex husband & had it done. The first doctor I talked to about using pain relief brushed me off, saying babies don’t even feel it. Bullshit and don’t touch my son. The second agreed to use a topical anesthetic.

These Italian Muslims should see if an experienced rabbi will help them out.
 
The most valid and important reason to circumsize your kids is because it is simply unAmerican not to. Why would you not want your boys vital bits to be proud and AMerican like the rest of him?

My father was uncircumcised (gee thanks Mom for sharing) and sometimes my mom would get vaginal infections after sex. I look at it more from a sanitation standpoint

Your parents are disgusting and had disgusting sex lives.
 
The most valid and important reason to circumsize your kids is because it is simply unAmerican not to. Why would you not want your boys vital bits to be proud and AMerican like the rest of him?

Back in school in the 70's and early 80's starting in 5th grade everyone showered after gym class and football practice, so all the guys saw each other. From 5th to 12th, I only saw one guy that wasn't cut. He looked like a freak.

I don't know what the proportions are now, but it sickens me that no one showers after PE now. I hate my sons coming home from school smelling like an old gym sock.
 
Back in school in the 70's and early 80's starting in 5th grade everyone showered after gym class and football practice, so all the guys saw each other. From 5th to 12th, I only saw one guy that wasn't cut. He looked like a freak.

I don't know what the proportions are now, but it sickens me that no one showers after PE now. I hate my sons coming home from school smelling like an old gym sock.

I never saw one growing up. Wasnt until the internet came into being and i made the disgusting sinful mistake of viewing pornographic imagery that i saw what an Unamerican disgusting dick looked like. Awful.
 
Back in school in the 70's and early 80's starting in 5th grade everyone showered after gym class and football practice, so all the guys saw each other. From 5th to 12th, I only saw one guy that wasn't cut. He looked like a freak.

I don't know what the proportions are now, but it sickens me that no one showers after PE now. I hate my sons coming home from school smelling like an old gym sock.

Less than fifty percent of newborns are circed now. So it isn’t as odd as it used to be.

I also wish they would shower at school.
 
Fun fact: Despite what porn tells you, only 33% of all males in the world are circumcised.

My boys aren't chopped. My reason? It's not my place as a mother to make those decisions. My job as a mother is to love and care for them, not wack an inch off their dick. They want it cut later..they can get it done. Adult circumcision is a thing, yes more painful, but it's their choice. My oldest is 14 and it fell out of practice a few years before he was even born, so it's not like he's in the minority among his guy friends.

I don't care which way people lean with circumcision but I do find it ironic how many women will rip on an uncut dick. There's no room to shit talk extra skin when you're walking around with literal curtains of extra skin. Saying you arent used to it or that you find it odd or what not, understandable when you come from a country thats predominantly cut. Saying it looks bad because its *gasp* natural..that's the pot calling the kettle black. I can almost guarantee none of us are sporting 18 year old pornstar vag :beaver:
 
Fun fact: Despite what porn tells you, only 33% of all males in the world are circumcised.

My boys aren't chopped. My reason? It's not my place as a mother to make those decisions. My job as a mother is to love and care for them, not wack an inch off their dick. They want it cut later..they can get it done. Adult circumcision is a thing, yes more painful, but it's their choice. My oldest is 14 and it fell out of practice a few years before he was even born, so it's not like he's in the minority among his guy friends.

I don't care which way people lean with circumcision but I do find it ironic how many women will rip on an uncut dick. There's no room to shit talk extra skin when you're walking around with literal curtains of extra skin. Saying you arent used to it or that you find it odd or what not, understandable when you come from a country thats predominantly cut. Saying it looks bad because its *gasp* natural..that's the pot calling the kettle black. I can almost guarantee none of us are sporting 18 year old pornstar vag :beaver:
Yeah! I mean, who wants to slip the panties off their latest catch and find Arby's under them.
 
I always thought as long as you clean yourself properly there would be no issues? (Besides the skin being too tight which I get) Don't uncircumcised men know to pull their skin all the way back to clean? I dunno circumcision seems like genital mutilation to me unless it's medically necessary. Poor baby had a freakin heart attack because of the pain.
 
My husband is uncut, he's the only man I've ever been with so it's all I know in that area. We've been together 13 years come April 1st. And that whole time he's never once had an unclean cock. Never smelled and never any infection.

That being said when we found out we were having a son a few years back he demanded that he be cut. I said it was up to him. So our son is circumcised. Looks a bit weird to me but the hubby says it's less work and stress for him growing up. Either way I could care less as long as he's healthy.
 
Insurance didn't cover circumcision when my son was born. My stepdad refused to pay for it cause he wasn't and thought that was so mean. So I asked my dad to pay for it which he did. Fast forward 4 years.... stepdad apologized to me for giving me such hell about it cause his cousin got an infection and had to have it done at the age of 50 something.
 
Cracks me up really. Americans and their cut peenies. It's not really done here. My older boys are 20 and 19 and it was never even mentioned. It's not a thing.
If you want it then you can pay for it and struggle to find a surgeon willing to. I would say maybe 5% or less babies are Done?
To me they look terribly raw and exposed if circed. Naked lol.
There are no high rates of infections or anything. They just have to learn to clean it. Like learning to clean your ears.
 
I don't care which way people lean with circumcision but I do find it ironic how many women will rip on an uncut dick. There's no room to shit talk extra skin when you're walking around with literal curtains of extra skin. Saying you arent used to it or that you find it odd or what not, understandable when you come from a country thats predominantly cut. Saying it looks bad because its *gasp* natural..that's the pot calling the kettle black. I can almost guarantee none of us are sporting 18 year old pornstar vag :beaver:

First off I would like to say that I’m finally beginning to understand the controversy involved with male circumcision. I honestly don’t know when I had any knowledge that the penises (is that a word or is it peni’s) I had encountered were altered in any way. That’s just the way they were. And of course you’re correct in saying one shouldn’t gasp or say it looks bad (for the record I didn’t do either of those upon my first experience with a full Monty) However, I don’t think had I had an inclination to do or say such a thing, that alternately saying “I must say I find this odd, or don’t take offense I’m just not used to this” would have lessened impact.
 
Unfortunately circumcision is tied to religion in some cases so the practice will continue.

I would guess that many parents do it for the convenience.

Many of us here know that their are many parents that do not teach their children proper hygiene whether

they are boys or girls.

I would prefer the procedure to be done in a safe and sterile environment if it has to be done.
 
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