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Siobhan

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At least 9 and possibly up to 27 people are dead, and one shooter is in currently custody after two gunmen opened fire at two separate Mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.
Authorities have the area under lockdown, and asking the public to avoid attending mosque services throughout the region tonight.
• Dozens feared dead as at least two gunmen open fire at two central Christchurch mosques
• City in lockdown, with reports of a third shooting scene and a car bomb in Strickland St
• One gunman, believed to be Australian, filmed as he shot victims in the mosque - and wrote a manifesto declaring his intentions
• Teen witness: "I just ran as fast as I could, over the fence to Hagley Park, I didn't stop. The gunshots sounded like pop, pop, pop...I heard over 50."
• A man wearing military clothing has been arrested outside Papanui High School
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern called it "one of New Zealand's darkest days".
A body has been seen lying near Al Noor Mosque in central Christchurch and a second gunman has been seen near Linwood Masjid mosque.
One of the gunmen broadcast live as he shot victims.
One of the gunmen is believed to be an Australian who has written a manifesto declaring his intentions.
In it, he says "it is a terrorist attack."
Ardern described the event as "extreme and unprecedented violence".
Police were "actively managing the situation".
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213039&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nzh_tw&ref=NZH_Tw

New Zealand police told CNN they are "aware" of a social media video that purports to show a live broadcast of a shooting at a Christchurch mosque, but were unable to confirm or deny its veracity.
This may be the live broadcast by one of the gunmen as he shot victims, but there is no reporting as to where the live feed was uploaded at or where it can be accessed - viewing may not be possible if NZ LE have the link, as it may have already been placed under a blackout until after charges and court proceedings.

Twitter feed of New Zealand Police with more tweets to follow in this thread:

There is enormous cowardice and a specific type of evil in those who attack innocent people while they are engaged in prayer services at any house of worship, regardless of the religion or their victim's origin of nationality.
As New Zealand has no death penalty, we can only hope that the perpetrators are all captured, prosecuted, convicted, and receive the worst penalties under that nation's laws.

Thanks to @ChaosKitty for the heads up on this developing situation.

UPDATE: At least 4 people: 3 men and 1 woman are now in custody after the deadly shootings, according to NZ Police Commissioner Mike Bush.

FURTHER UPDATE: A number of IEDs that were attached to vehicles in Christchurch have been defused by the Defense Force
 
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Pandorama

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There was a live and I have seen it. No sound, but not sure why. But count that as a blessing. He started shooting as he got to the door. There's going to be a lot of people dead. 30 I think so far. One child, a 5 year old girl.
They were just huddled into piles in the corners of the room and he was only a few feet away unloading clip after clip into them.
There are two locations so I think it's more than one shooter but I don't know. Thise places are only a few minutes drive apart.
It's my hometown. Quake City.
These are small family mosques and this is extremely shocking in peaceful little nz.
Aramoana was the last mass shooting and that was years and years ago.
When he walked out of the mosque onto the st he was just shooting randomly in both directions at anyone near.

My sister was at her daughter's school in lockdown and I didn't know where my son was for a while, which was worrying even though I didn't think he was near the location. He's only lives a suburb away.
It's really unreal.
 

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Craygor

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This doesn't surprise me, someone (especially a racist) was bound to break due to the numerous attacks in the UK, France, the Netherlands, Germany, and the US, not counting all the ones in Islamic countries that was not being responded in kind.

This attack wasn't just an angry racist group attacking in response to some transgression, it was also a political statement and part toward the US and our Constitution, here a bit of reason in their words;
“To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands, our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our people.
"To take revenge on the invaders for the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by foreign invaders in European lands throughout history."
“By the definition, then yes. It is a terrorist attack. But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force.”
'BY DEFINITION IT'S A TERRORIST ATTACK'
He boasted that he chose to use firearms so he could influence politics in the US.

“Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states," he wrote.

“This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.”

The suspected shooter described himself as an "ordinary white man born in Australia to a working class,low income family."


This being Dreamin Demon I have to add this,

Since Muslims believe nothing happens without Allah's will, why wouldn't he stop these things from happening to his people?
 
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Siobhan

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There was a live and I have seen it. No sound, but not sure why. But count that as a blessing. He started shooting as he got to the door. There's going to be a lot of people dead. 30 I think so far. One child, a 5 year old girl.
They were just huddled into piles in the corners of the room and he was only a few feet away unloading clip after clip into them.
There are two locations so I think it's more than one shooter but I don't know. Thise places are only a few minutes drive apart.
It's my hometown. Quake City.
These are small family mosques and this is extremely shocking in peaceful little nz.
Aramoana was the last mass shooting and that was years and years ago.
When he walked out of the mosque onto the st he was just shooting randomly in both directions at anyone near.

My sister was at her daughter's school in lockdown and I didn't know where my son was for a while, which was worrying even though I didn't think he was near the location. He's only lives a suburb away.
It's really unreal.

I'm so deeply saddened that your family and town has been impacted by this hideous act of cowardly terrorism. It's wrong on every level of humanity when things like this happen, and it sickens me to the depths of my heart and soul.

The NZ police are asking people not to share the footage, as it only serves to further the terrorist's agendas, and will undoubtedly be seen by the survivors and victims families if shared.
I myself have no desire to see it, I've viewed such videos filmed by murderers as they commit decapitations, shootings and other horrific acts, and long ago decided not to view such things again, as once viewed, they can never be unseen.

The people involved in these actions will not be remembered as martyrs, nor heros, but as terrorists who killed for the sake of hatred and to incite further violence.

This doesn't surprise me, someone (especially a racist) was bound to break due to the numerous attacks in the UK, France, the Netherlands, Germany, and the US, not counting all the ones in Islamic countries that was not being responded in kind.

This attack wasn't just angry racist group attacking in response to some transgression, it was also a political statement and part toward the US and our Constitution, here a bit of reason in their words;


This being Dreamin Demon I have to add this,

Since Muslims believe nothing happens without Allah's will, why wouldn't stop these things from happening to his people?
The same could be said for any Christian religious person who views things as "God's will"; the answer being, whether one is a non-believer or devout believer is that we are endowed with free will to decide our own actions.
Some act on blind hatred; some on devout beliefs; and others act out of the kindness and with kindredship of our fellow humans, in knowing that we all must share this planet with each other, and that no single person completely survives the entirety of their life without the help of all of us working together in our various ways to help supply foods and industrial goods throughout the world to each other.
From a simple rice farmer in China, miners everywhere, to the autoworkers in the US, we all work together in a sense that helps us all.
Just as the old phrase that "No man is an island", no single country or nation has all of the natural resources that are needed in today's world, whether that means various foods, raw metals, or technology - we all need each other to meet mutual needs.

As for the white supremacy aspects, much like the US, the indigenous peoples of both Australia and New Zealand are not white, and have a long history of suffering at the hands of those Caucasians who settled in those countries after immigrating from elsewhere, but now claim the countries to be solely theirs, and based only on the color of skin.
 

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Craygor

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The same could be said for any Christian religious person who views things as "God's will"; the answer being, whether one is a non-believer or devout believer is that we are endowed with free will to decide our own actions.
Some act on blind hatred; some on devout beliefs; and others act out of the kindness and with kindredship of our fellow humans, in knowing that we all must share this planet with each other, and that no single person completely survives the entirety of their life without the help of all of us working together in our various ways to help supply foods and industrial goods throughout the world to each other.
From a simple rice farmer in China, miners everywhere, to the autoworkers in the US, we all work together in a sense that helps us all.
Just as the old phrase that "No man is an island", no single country or nation has all of the natural resources that are needed in today's world, whether that means various foods, raw metals, or technology - we all need each other to meet mutual needs.

As for the white supremacy aspects, much like the US, the indigenous peoples of both Australia and New Zealand are not white, and have a long history of suffering at the hands of those Caucasians who settled in those countries after immigrating from elsewhere, but now claim the countries to be solely theirs, and based only on the color of skin.
Don't confuse my disdain for Islam as any type of support for Christianity, because I have very little for it as well.

This shit today has many reasons, but hatred does top the list. I can understand hatred, but I find hating someone over something they had no control over (like birth place, skin color, sex) as asinine, illogical. I can understand hating someone due to choices they've made, especially personal actions. I can understand not trusting a group and individuals that belong to them, like political parties, religions (not that there is much of a difference), social circles, because of the group's beliefs and attitudes, but to punish an individual for a group they chosen is pretty fucked up, like what happen in New Zealand today.
 

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CentreAussie

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Well fuck.... Where to begin with this one?

I'll start with - I was at work today, enjoying my third and last cigarette break of a ten hour shift. I heard two of my colleagues say, "I reckon it was ten. Na, I reckon it was more than twenty." I asked what was up, and then I heard about it. My response was - "So what's your bet? A celibate white supremacist?" There was general agreement.

I have seen a portion of the live stream and I have read the entire manifesto. Both were sickening.

I'm going get out in front of a few issues that I know will come up.

This guy was not "right wing", he was not a Trump supporter, although he praised his immigration policy. His mentality is seriously all over the place. He has a lot of socialist views, such as opposition to free market capitalism and says that he chose to use firearms in an attempt to provoke Democrat legislators to enact gun confiscation in the US, in the hope of starting some kind of revolution and against the ruling elites. His main gripe is the 'Islamization' of western nations and the attacks against the 'native' populations of countries who have bowed to globalist implementation of mass 3rd world migration by those they allowed in.

All pretty fucked up, incoherent and simplistic....

I'm just gonna say this shit. If you want to call me a 'racist', go ahead. You probably know that I don't give a shit. If you want to call me 'wrong', tell my why I'm wrong and I'll listen to you.

I don't like that the UK, France, Sweden and to a far lesser extent Australia are allowing masses of immigrants from cultures diametrically opposed to ours into these countries. I don't like it because it presents zero benefit to us, while causing social issues. Issues like over-crowding, increased crime, lessening of social cohesion, a drain of social support resources among many others. Now, if any of you feel a gut instinct to call me a 'bigot' please go ahead. But only after you name one single western nation that has shown any benefit what-so-ever from mass Islamic migration. Name just one. But you can't, can you? Because that country doesn't exist. Mass 3rd world immigration doesn't benefit the ordinary citizens of western nations at all. That's just one more of those cold hard facts of life that we sometimes don't want to face, because we don't like the logical conclusions that we are led to.

This terrible tragedy was the inevitable result of policy enacted by globalists. Someone, somewhere was going to snap and target those he saw as the enemy. But these people who carried out or were complicit in this attack, they were wrong. Those innocent people in those mosques, they weren't the enemy. They weren't the enemy anymore than Samir (he tells everyone else that he is Italian and that his name is Sam to avoid the hate of drunken idiots), who pours my beers at the pub every Friday arvo after work.

I asked Samir what he had to say about all this not less than an hour ago. He just told me that he was going to pray to Allah and ask that Australia doesn't change.

I've been thinking about that for a while and I still don't know what he really meant. I don't want things to change either, but change is inevitable. And change in England, France, Sweden and Minnesota has been rapid and drastic while fraught with unintended consequences for people who had no say.

I'm heartbroken. As our Prime Minister Scott Morrison said "We are not just allies, we are not just friends. We are family."

Those people were innocent, the only thing they achieved by dying was to prove that terrorists come in all colors.

I'm going to go drink more beer, celebrate the end of another work week and mourn the loss of innocent people and the loss innocence in my corner if the world.
 

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Siobhan

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The death toll is now at 49, with at least 20 more injured.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703644006/shots-fired-at-christchurch-new-zealand-mosque?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190315

"It is clear this is one of New Zealand's darkest days," Ardern said earlier Friday. "What has happened is an extraordinary and unprecedented act of violence."

"Many of those affected may be migrants, maybe refugees ... They are us. ... The perpetrator is not. ... There is no place in New Zealand for such acts of extreme and unprecedented violence," Ardern said.
 

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At least 9 and possibly up to 27 people are dead, and one shooter is in currently custody after two gunmen opened fire at two separate Mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.
Authorities have the area under lockdown, and asking the public to avoid attending mosque services throughout the region tonight.


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213039&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nzh_tw&ref=NZH_Tw

New Zealand police told CNN they are "aware" of a social media video that purports to show a live broadcast of a shooting at a Christchurch mosque, but were unable to confirm or deny its veracity.
This may be the live broadcast by one of the gunmen as he shot victims, but there is no reporting as to where the live feed was uploaded at or where it can be accessed - viewing may not be possible if NZ LE have the link, as it may have already been placed under a blackout until after charges and court proceedings.

Twitter feed of New Zealand Police with more tweets to follow in this thread:

There is enormous cowardice and a specific type of evil in those who attack innocent people while they are engaged in prayer services at any house of worship, regardless of the religion or their victim's origin of nationality.
As New Zealand has no death penalty, we can only hope that the perpetrators are all captured, prosecuted, convicted, and receive the worst penalties under that nation's laws.

Thanks to @ChaosKitty for the heads up on this developing situation.

UPDATE: At least 4 people: 3 men and 1 woman are now in custody after the deadly shootings, according to NZ Police Commissioner Mike Bush.

FURTHER UPDATE: A number of IEDs that were attached to vehicles in Christchurch have been defused by the Defense Force

So, where is the video?
 

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brokenandtwisted

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What a bonkers manifesto. If anyone wants to read the ridiculous piece of shit, here it is:


Praise for Donald Trump, alt-right culture, Wikipedia quotes, and endlessly annoying memes. And Pewdiepie. Dude is everything wrong with fringe white culture. Doesn’t come as a surprise at all.
 

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BuffettGirl

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What a bonkers manifesto. If anyone wants to read the ridiculous piece of shit, here it is:


Praise for Donald Trump, alt-right culture, Wikipedia quotes, and endlessly annoying memes. And Pewdiepie. Dude is everything wrong with fringe white culture. Doesn’t come as a surprise at all.
You don't mention any of his alt-left cultural dipshittery, just the part that fits alt-right. The guy is a mental case with extreme ideals on BOTH sides of the political coin. Can't we just call insane insane without assigning him a political identity? I'm not trying to be bitchy, my heart hurts too much for that right now. :(
 

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brokenandtwisted

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You don't mention any of his alt-left cultural dipshittery, just the part that fits alt-right. The guy is a mental case with extreme ideals on BOTH sides of the political coin. Can't we just call insane insane without assigning him a political identity? I'm not trying to be bitchy, my heart hurts too much for that right now. :(
Oh, I don’t disagree! Alt-right; alt-left. Same crazy shit. As a self-identifying moderate, both ends of the political spectrum are the same irrational nonsense to me.

This is a terrible act of terrorism and the guy is going to be painted as mentally ill when he’s simply a byproduct of contemporary political rhetoric. And stupidity. He’s incredibly dumb.
 

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Morbid

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Does he not see the irony of a white man of Scots/Irish/English descent born in Australia attacking and killing people at a mosque in New Zealand because he doesn't want other particular people invading his homeland? :mad:
Yeah, he does. It's mentioned in his manifesto. Edited to add he doesn't see it as ironic and, by his reasoning, it isn't.
 
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BuffettGirl

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Oh, I don’t disagree! Alt-right; alt-left. Same crazy shit. As a self-identifying moderate, both ends of the political spectrum are the same irrational nonsense to me.

This is a terrible act of terrorism and the guy is going to be painted as mentally ill when he’s simply a byproduct of contemporary political rhetoric. And stupidity. He’s incredibly dumb.
Phew! :shame: I truly didn't want to ruffle any feathers! I had heard that his intent in praising Trump had to do with gun rights/gun control but his end game was to actually get guns out of American hands... :oops: I think there are both the hate/political thing AND serious mental health issues with this one. So far, and I haven't read much because it is so hateful and awful (not to mention utterly illogical) that I have to stop and put it down again, but his every sentence when taken on it's own face value is off it seems. GAH! Maybe I should quit thinking about it all for a minute, I only got 2.25 hours of sleep and I'm sort of dazed and confused today along with the heartbroken thing.
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Does he not see the irony of a white man of Scots/Irish/English descent born in Australia attacking and killing people at a mosque in New Zealand because he doesn't want other particular people invading his homeland? :mad:
That's me rolling my eyes at him, not you @cubby dear! :happy:
 

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Craygor

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had heard that his intent in praising Trump had to do with gun rights/gun control but his end game was to actually get guns out of American hands... :oops:
I think he meant that this would push the "progressives" in the government into making swiping gun confiscation in the country, which would push the 2nd amendment supporters to resist, causing a civil war, along cultural and racial lines.
 

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cubby

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Yeah, he does.
I, also, couldn't read all of it. don't really think I will given that I don't have the time to read all that nonsense, so I basically skimmed it, until I couldn't skim anymore. I know about the Miranda Effect and all that, but does he really think he can get a civil war started in the USA by shooting a bunch of innocents in Christchurch?

The blame for this rests squarely on his and his confederates shoulders, no one elses.
 

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JackBurton

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So what news of these other folks arrested. Ive read 3 were picked up. Is one of these confirmed as the 2nd shooter? Is one of these this brenton clown, or are there 4 outside of him who got nabbed?

And i know there's some Aussie members here, be interested in their way in on the issue that has to be part of the discussion on this, the guns. Do we know if this guy was living in Australia or was he merely born there but had been residing in NZ? How does someone in a country as strictly controlled as Australia or New Zealand for that matter collect an arsenal like that? I thought even acquiring weapons illegally was a tough thing to do in these countries. Do we know how he attained these guns? Is it possible to do so legally?

This being Dreamin Demon I have to add this,

Since Muslims believe nothing happens without Allah's will, why wouldn't he stop these things from happening to his people?
Im sure many Muslims, perhaps some of the victims even, will in fact say it was Allah's will that this occurred.

I don't like that the UK, France, Sweden and to a far lesser extent Australia are allowing masses of immigrants from cultures diametrically opposed to ours into these countries. I don't like it because it presents zero benefit to us, while causing social issues. Issues like over-crowding, increased crime, lessening of social cohesion, a drain of social support resources among many others. Now, if any of you feel a gut instinct to call me a 'bigot' please go ahead. But only after you name one single western nation that has shown any benefit what-so-ever from mass Islamic migration. Name just one. But you can't, can you? Because that country doesn't exist. Mass 3rd world immigration doesn't benefit the ordinary citizens of western nations at all. That's just one more of those cold hard facts of life that we sometimes don't want to face, because we don't like the logical conclusions that we are led to.
What relevance does this have to the crime here? I dont get why you felt the need to rant about how much you hate muslim immigrants.

This terrible tragedy was the inevitable result of policy enacted by globalists. Someone, somewhere was going to snap and target those he saw as the enemy.
Can an argument be made that each and every unprovoked violent crime wasnt inevitable? What's the point of putting this junk out there?
 

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JackBurton

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What the fuck? Why the fuck are nutters going after Chelsea Clinton and why the fuck is she not telling them what total fucking idiots they are. What dipshits. This is the most random thing ive seen in some time.

Wish those fucks would get shot.
 

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Pandorama

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So what news of these other folks arrested. Ive read 3 were picked up. Is one of these confirmed as the 2nd shooter? Is one of these this brenton clown, or are there 4 outside of him who got nabbed?

And i know there's some Aussie members here, be interested in their way in on the issue that has to be part of the discussion on this, the guns. Do we know if this guy was living in Australia or was he merely born there but had been residing in NZ? How does someone in a country as strictly controlled as Australia or New Zealand for that matter collect an arsenal like that? I thought even acquiring weapons illegally was a tough thing to do in these countries. Do we know how he attained these guns? Is it possible to do so legally?



Im sure many Muslims, perhaps some of the victims even, will in fact say it was Allah's will that this occurred.



What relevance does this have to the crime here? I dont get why you felt the need to rant about how much you hate muslim immigrants.



Can an argument be made that each and every unprovoked violent crime wasnt inevitable? What's the point of putting this junk out there?
He was raised in Grafton in Australia, got an inheritance as a young man and travelled extensively. Worked in a gym in Aus for years. Quiet guy. No word ever on Muslims or immigration.
Moved to Dunedin NZ. Still travelled. Joined the local gun club. Was licenced. Brought thed guns legally. No record, only a few traffic tickets. No associations with any extremist groups. Lived quietly. Good neighbour. No one ever heard him speak against Muslims or immigration.

Semi autos are legal in NZ if you have appropriate licence which is not easy to get.
They won't be after this.
 

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JackBurton

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I just read another article that shined some light on NZ gun laws. I thought it was similar to Australia, i was way wrong. Sounds like they have very lax gun laws, 16 to buy a gun for example, statistically 1/4 people there own a firearm according to article i read, which is quite close to American stats actually.

Yeah id be shocked if New Zealand doesnt kick gun ownership in the ass and HARD now.

I did read he traveled, even to places like Pakistan where apparently he posted something up about how beautiful it was and how great the people were. Very odd he then did this. Gotta wonder if his feelings on them was akin to a person looking at animals in a zoo. Just cuz he traveled to Muslim nations and said positive ethings about the people there doesn't mean he viewed them as human beings, or equals, or didn't deep down fucking hate them.
 

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CentreAussie

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What relevance does this have to the crime here? I dont get why you felt the need to rant about how much you hate muslim immigrants.
I thought it was pretty clear that I don't hate Muslim immigrants. I hate MASS 3rd immigration implemented by globalists for the sole benefit of the top .001%ers. Immigrants themselves are just pawns like the rest of us.

Can an argument be made that each and every unprovoked violent crime wasnt inevitable? What's the point of putting this junk out there?
Brilliant. I'm in awe of your rationale and intellect once again.
 

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JackBurton

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I thought it was pretty clear that I don't hate Muslim immigrants. I hate MASS 3rd immigration implemented by globalists for the sole benefit of the top .001%ers. Immigrants themselves are just pawns like the rest of us.



Brilliant. I'm in awe of your rationale and intellect once again.
I see you decided to post absolutely nothing pertinent to the actual story.

Don't fucking do it again.
 

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