Antifa protesters went the home of Fox host shouting 'Tucker Carlson, we will fight, we know where you sleep at night'

[CentreAussie]

You don't understand what "freedom of speech" is all about. "Freedom of speech" simply means the GOVERNMENT will not arrest you, or interfere with your lawful message. It DOES NOT mean that people won't formulate the opinion that your message is harmful to society and do what they can to prevent you from proliferating it.

I can't understand why rubes think they have some unfettered right from God almighty to spout their bigotry and bullshit uncontested.

Freedom of speech is an ideal, a fundamental corner-stone of democracy. Just like the right to protest. And of course freedom of speech does not mean freedom from repercussions. The right to peacefully protest is another one of those core tenants. If ANTIFA was a peaceful protest organisation I would fully support and defend their right to protest, even if I think that they are ignorant fools. They do not have the right to be violent, vandalize or threaten. The thing you seem to be missing is that they don't protest Nazi/fascist/whatevers, they riot against anyone that they see as such. Their perception is completely warped, like most leftists.

Tucker Carlson is not a racist Nazi fascist etc. He's a conservative. IE Someone they just don't agree with. When you use violence and threats in an attempt to silence someone that you don't agree with, you are the fascist.

Which is why you shouldn't throw around words like Nazi. Because for the 99 sensible people who see it as the juvenile insult and attempt at dehumanization that it is, you'll have one person who'll join ANTIFA in a self-righteous fury and threaten violence against innocent people like Mrs Carlson. Or Ben Shaperio, or Steven Crowder, or anyone who is prepared to call out the idiocy of extreme leftist agendas.

 

[lithiumgirl]

then fill the role with a former prostitute there's going to be some some blow back, and then when the plastic slut wore that "I don't care" jacket to visit detained children it showed the world what she is all about.

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MODEL ... and when you say plastic slut do you really mean plastic slut that wouldn't spit on the best part of you ... and when you mention the jacket ... You do realise that the I don't care message was for the media not the children right ? Like everyone else knows it ??? Knows 100 % that message had nothing to do with children of criminals.

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45 & Flo

 

[Foundingfather1776]

Ask yourself... Why isn't there antifa doing this in Florida??? or in any other state where Stand Your Ground is in place?

 

[lithiumgirl]

Ask yourself... Why isn't there antifa doing this in Florida??? or in any other state where Stand Your Ground is in place?

I'm a Canadian so all I can think of right now is ...Oh? ... OH ... Huh! Birds.

 

[BostonBurns]

Freedom of speech is an ideal, a fundamental corner-stone of democracy. Just like the right to protest. And of course freedom of speech does not mean freedom from repercussions. The right to peacefully protest is another one of those core tenants. If ANTIFA was a peaceful protest organisation I would fully support and defend their right to protest, even if I think that they are ignorant fools. They do not have the right to be violent, vandalize or threaten. The thing you seem to be missing is that they don't protest Nazi/fascist/whatevers, they riot against anyone that they see as such. Their perception is completely warped, like most leftists.

Tucker Carlson is not a racist Nazi fascist etc. He's a conservative. IE Someone they just don't agree with. When you use violence and threats in an attempt to silence someone that you don't agree with, you are the fascist.

Which is why you shouldn't throw around words like Nazi. Because for the 99 sensible people who see it as the juvenile insult and attempt at dehumanization that it is, you'll have one person who'll join ANTIFA in a self-righteous fury and threaten violence against innocent people like Mrs Carlson. Or Ben Shaperio, or Steven Crowder, or anyone who is prepared to call out the idiocy of extreme leftist agendas.

So you're basically operating under the pretense that ANTIFA starts ALL the confrontations and the white supremacists are innocent victims of their unprovoked violence, despite me providing multiple articles regarding the violent agendas of some of those white supremacy organizations?

The notion of "Freedom of speech,' as you described it, being some sacrosanct ideal that is not to be questioned has been clearly repudiated in this country by the Supreme Court. Firstly, from Shenk v. United States, we've all become familiar with the words penned by Holmes,

The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.[6

and restated and clarified in Brandenburg v. Ohio, that stated any speech that could provoke, Immanent lawless action, could be prosecuted. Lastly, in Holder v. Humanitarian Project, giving non-violent advice, or legal council to foreign terrorist organizations, even if for the purpose of facilitating peace negotiations, is not protected speech.

ANTIFA, for good or bad operates on the premise that if more people had stood up to the increasing rhetoric and hate speech in pre-Nazi Germany, then the Nazis would never have come to power. I'm inclined to agree with them.

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Ask yourself... Why isn't there antifa doing this in Florida??? or in any other state where Stand Your Ground is in place?

Lmao, you people love to invent things; here's a few examples of ANTIFA in stand your ground states, but don't let the facts interfere with your fantasy and defense of white supremacy hate speech.

ttps://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/21/neo-nazis-anti-fascist-groups-descend-georgia-town-competing-rallies/538857002/

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/antifa-thugs-unmasked-in-alabama/

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...ifa-activists-plotting-to-disarm-the-alt-right

https://www.onenewsnow.com/church/2018/09/02/lgbt-antifa-demand-texas-church-leave-over-sexuality

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/30/neo-nazis-anti-fascist-protesters-kentucky-pikeville

 

[CentreAussie]

So you're basically operating under the pretense that ANTIFA starts ALL the confrontations and the white supremacists are innocent victims of their unprovoked violence, despite me providing multiple articles regarding the violent agendas of some of those white supremacy organizations?

Dude, ANTIFA are violent scum. Nazis are scum. Two chunks of the same turd. You remember when ANTIFA attacked one of their own for daring to carry an American flag to a protest?

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2018/08/he_brought_an_american_flag_to.html

They're instigators. Over and over. Like at Berkley,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.80df004a69d9

Or how about when they attack police and journalists?

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018...s-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right

Or when they just beat up and straight out rob some random dude?

https://www.newsweek.com/nyc-proud-...awl-fight-protestoes-suspects-victims-1170666

The notion of "Freedom of speech,' as you described it, being some sacrosanct ideal that is not to be questioned has been clearly repudiated in this country by the Supreme Court. Firstly, from Shenk v. United States, we've all become familiar with the words penned by Holmes,

Yes, I think I mentioned the fact that threats of violence or calls for violence are not covered under freedom of speech.

So, are you saying that ANTIFA never incites violence? Are police and journalists all violent neo-nazis too?