I know this case is terrible.I guess ... but this man died, there is a video of him dying in the street, with a cops arm around his throat. So I don't really agree.
I know this case is terrible.I guess ... but this man died, there is a video of him dying in the street, with a cops arm around his throat. So I don't really agree.
If he wouldn't have been breaking the law, none of this would have happened.I guess ... but this man died, there is a video of him dying in the street, with a cops arm around his throat. So I don't really agree.
If he wouldn't have been breaking the law, none of this would have happened.
When Pantaleo approached Garner from behind and attempted to handcuff him, Garner pulled his arms away, saying "Don't touch me, please."[25] Pantaleo then put Garner in a headlock or chokehold from behind. Chokeholds are prohibited by NYPD regulations.[26] Pantaleo then pulled Garner backward in an attempt to bring him to the ground;[27] in the process, Pantaleo and Garner slammed into a glass window, which did not break.[3] As Garner was being brought to the ground, other uniformed officers surrounded him, and Garner went to his knees and forearms and did not say anything for a few seconds. At that point, three uniformed officers and the two plainclothes officers had surrounded him.[3] After 15 seconds,[28] the video showed Pantaleo had removed his arm from around Garner's neck; Pantaleo then used his hands to push Garner's face[27] into the sidewalk.[29] Garner is heard saying "I can't breathe" eleven times while lying facedown on the sidewalk.[30] The arrest was supervised by a female African-American NYPD sergeant, Kizzy Adoni, who did not intercede.[31] Adoni was quoted in the original police report as stating, "The perpetrator's condition did not seem serious and he did not appear to get worse."[32]
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Had Eric Gardner not been selling ciggies and bypassing the tax man, he wouldn't have been arrested, and therefore would not have been placed in a choke hold. I'm not saying that the police did things right or by the book, but the fact remains that if he hadn't have been breaking the law, non of it would have happened.
I'm confused... I was under the impression that he had no cigarettes on him and was not selling them at that time.
Fighting arrest is never going to end well, sometimes it ends in death. I think there is fault on all sides here.
At 400 pounds, I'm sure he was. Obesity is not a disease, it's a lifestyle choice.Maybe he was looking to die? <<<----- a thought I just now had...
Generally, I totally agree. This was a very large man that took his own life into his own hands when he resisted. I'm an asthmatic, if I resist the police and have an asthma attack over it and die, it's on me
Nah, my Mom would be all "Criminals die doing criminal things stupid." and the siblings would let it go because I am a Conservative... :hilarious:
Apparently this guy got tired of being arrested considering it was like his 30th time and decided he was better off taking his own lifeMy point is getting arrested is an everyday thing for criminals ... making an arrest is an every day thing for police officers and I can speak from
personal experience, and so can lots of other criminals that there is a difference between a good arrest and a bad one.
I wont even tolerate an officer using profanity during contact ... I've been in situations where officers swore at me, and I reacted to it,
it sounded like this: I'm not swearing at you officer, what's your name ??? If you swear at me again ... I'm going to tell !!!
The look on his face ... like I could see the gears/wheels in his head spinning. He didn't respond by punching me in the face or even telling
me to shut the fuck up ... he adjusted and apologised, started acting like a professional.
@lithiumgirl - We're going to have to do what Republicans and Democrats can't yet manage, agree to disagree. I find him partially if not equally responsible for his death. I have seen nothing to date that changes that. <3
Apparently this guy got tired of being arrested considering it was like his 30th time and decided he was better off taking his own life
A sovereign citizen of what? Did she break traffic laws and not show up to court?
As a sovereign citizen she did not break any traffic laws because she is not bound by them. She was not required to show up for court.
WTF? Please tell that you don't actually believe that 'sovereign citizen' rubbish. You don't get to decide for yourself which laws you wanna opt out of. Korryn Gaines was a child abuser, violent criminal and deserved as slower more painful death that the one she got.
A 38 million dollar settlement says you're wrong about that ...
I personally think her anti -police tirade was vile ... the ideals she was teaching her children were wrong, but she had rights as a
sovereign citizen and those rights should have been respected.
"Self-described "sovereign citizens" see themselves as answerable only to their particular interpretation of the common law and as not subject to any government statutes or proceedings. In the United States they do not recognize United States currency and maintain that they are "free of any legal constraints." I don't see how it applies quite frankly...
No. She did not have rights as a 'sovereign citizen'. It's not a real thing, it's bullshit perpetuated by charlatans. No legal argument has ever been accepted anywhere in North America based on the concept of a 'sovereign citizen'.
I really want to know who was on that jury:YOW:A settlement, that I assume was decided by a Baltimore jury, if you think it doesn't matter I'll refer you to People of State of California v. Orenthal James Simpson. And you mean 'tirades'. That bitch was on a suicide mission from the get go.
No. She did not have rights as a 'sovereign citizen'. It's not a real thing, it's bullshit perpetuated by charlatans. No legal argument has ever been accepted anywhere in North America based on the concept of a 'sovereign citizen'. It's stupidity on par with thinking that lizard people from Beta-Reticulai control the US government.
I really want to know who was on that jury:YOW:
I've been reading up on this in between posts. Almost everything I find ends with "too bad, there's no such thing". The ones that don't are pushing a bad idea. I can't find anything that says it's an OK thing to do... Or anything that recognizes this as legal.
But they're not self described sovereign citizen ... she had documents to back it up. As a sovereign citizen she isn't bound by traffic laws,
she should have never been charged and she was not required to show up for court.
Somehow they found a whole group of jurors that believe they are sovereign citizens, it’s the only explanation for the verdictI've been reading up on this in between posts. Almost everything I find ends with "too bad, there's no such thing". The ones that don't are pushing a bad idea. I can't find anything that says it's an OK thing to do... Or anything that recognizes this as legal.
I want to know Incase I ever kill anyone, I want those jurors, it’ll be like hitting the lottoWhy on earth would that make a difference ... and of course you glossed right over the fact that she had legal sovereignty.
Same as Eric had a right to be arrested according to the policy the officer was directed to follow, and not by some
cowboy who murdered him in the street