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The girl who waited....forever.
http://news.yahoo.com/family-florida-boy-killed-neighborhood-watch-seeks-arrest-044537742.html

ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

I wonder what he was doing that would have made the guy suspicious of him, or if he really did go after him because he was black :frown:
 
If they don't hold this guy accountable for shooting this unarmed 17 year old then something is srsly fucking wrong in Florida and it ain't just the Casey Anthony jury. Answer the families questions before you end up with an 18 pack of eggs on your face Orlando PD. So many unanswered questions here and it stinks to high heavens. I hope there is no cover up going on and they are conducting an investigation into what happened. This should not have happened. Is it not safe to be black and male in an upper class suburb? I'm black so I know how overused the race card can get but I'm at a loss as to why this kid is dead. Any other suggestions/ideas?
 
If this was "self defense" then the cop wannabe was the one who instigated a situation where he needed to defend himself. He was following a kid guilty of walking while black in the neighborhood in his car. He had to be driving very slowly and looking very suspicious. He's not a cop so he has no uniform, no marked car, no authority, but what he does have is a gun. So if Trayvon noticed this car following him it probably started making him a little nervous and scared. Zimmerman calls 911 and they say a car is being dispatched so instead of waiting he decides to get out and confront this guy he has been following. What must Trayvon have thought when the guy who has been following him; jumps out of his car to confront him?

So even if Trayvon, who is estimated to be about 140 lbs, did begin to fight him then the question has to be asked is if he had a right to believe that he needed to fight. Does anyone really think that Zimmerman didn't jump out of the car with his gun drawn? I think this guy was hoping to apprehend a criminal on his own to prove to all the cops that he was a badass. If he had just sat in his car then noone would be dead. The cops would have arrived, talked to Trayvon, found out his father lived in the neighborhood, and this wouldn't even be a story. Instead a not even a rent a cop had to try to "save the day" and an innocent kid ends up dead. If they don't file some kind of serious charges in this case then something smells really fishy.

George Zimmerman
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I'm not sue-happy by any means, but Barney Fife up there needs to be sued for wrongful death, at the very least. Why in the world does the neighborhood watch captain need to be carrying a gun anyway?
 
The police chief in Sanford turned over the investigation into the killing of Miami teen Trayvon Martin to the Seminole-Brevard State Attorney’s Office for review Monday, as outraged members of the community demanded justice.

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Police Chief Bill Lee said there was not enough evidence to arrest George Zimmerman, who followed Martin in his SUV and ended up confronting the teen before shots were fired.

“In this case Mr. Zimmerman has made the statement of self-defense,” Lee said. “Until we can establish probable cause to dispute that, we don’t have the grounds to arrest him.”

The State Attorney’s Office could not be reached for comment.

Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett and City Manager Norton N. Bonaparte Jr. joined Lee in making the announcement at a press conference outside City Hall, where African-American community members heckled them.

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Police say Zimmerman called police around 7:30 p.m. on Feb. 26 to report a suspicious person. The dispatcher told him to wait for patrol officers.

At one point, Zimmerman followed the teen, stepped out of the car and they began to fight, Lee said.

“When dispatchers told him not to do anything, it was just a recommendation,” Lee said. “There is evidence that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense.”

He would not say what the evidence was.

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The family filed a lawsuit to demand recordings of the conversation between Zimmerman and the police dispatcher. Police have declined to release the tape until the investigation is concluded.

“They are passing the buck,” said family attorney Benjamin Crump. “The entire time he was defending Mr. Zimmerman. But we’ll see what will come next.”

According to Sanford police Capt. Robert O’Connor, Zimmerman has received numerous death threats. Police would not disclose his whereabouts.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/12/2690445/sanford-chief-no-charges-yet-in.html

So an armed man gets out of his car to confront a young man doing nothing more than walking home from a snack run. That young man possibly fights back but who wouldn't if a strange armed man approached you on the street after following you in his car. And that gives this armed man the right to shoot someone in the chest and claim self defense because he has a bloody noise and grass on his back. This man didn't have a uniform, he didn't have a badge, and as far as anyone would be concerned it was a crazed man with a gun approaching on a sidewalk.

Trayvon wasn't a criminal, he had no reason to believe that this man was coming at him with anything other than ill intent. He was simply walking home. I can't believe the police are defending him.George Zimmerman wouldn't have needed to act in self defense if he had stayed in his car and waited for police. INSANITY. If anything Trayvon acted in self defense when fought Zimmerman.
 
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1340358.html

This might explain why they the police don't want to release the 911 tapes.

Benjamin Crump, the Martin family’s attorney, filed a public records lawsuit last week seeking the 911 recordings for the night of the shooting. Crump said people with access to the tapes told him Zimmerman made a comment about Martin’s race during the call and said he had no intention of letting the youth get away because, “they always get away.â€￾

Protestors jeered Lee during the news conference when he said he does not believe his investigators have enough evidence to charge Zimmerman in the killing, according to local news accounts. Lee said that he believes that “we can get through all the ugly thoughts and all the disagreements and all the ill will and hard feelings and truly come together as a community.â€￾

“It is with that thought that we want to make sure that we due a fair and complete and thorough investigation so that we can reach some form of justice with this event,â€￾ Lee said. He added “that there is the right for someone that has a concealed weapons permit to carry that weaponâ€￾ and that police support the neighborhood watch program.

“In this case Mr. Zimmerman has made the statement of self defense," Lee said. "Until we can establish probable cause to dispute that, we don’t have the grounds to arrest him.â€￾


Should this be in the Reality Bites forum? I for one think it's a crime.
 
Should this be in the Reality Bites forum? I for one think it's a crime.
I think it's a crime too... hopefully only a matter of time until the DA decides there is also.

It will get moved when they show there's a crime or someone gets charged. Happens all the time.
 
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There is not enough evidence in this story to be able to come to any conclusion.
All I see is a black family presenting a story to the media using the race card, while the police dept continues their investigation.
maybe it is a racially motivated killing who knows? Maybe it is self defense. The chances on this kid being some sort of angel that was gunned down by a racist overzealous white guy(who doesn't look very white) with a psuedobadge is arguable. The media loves this race angle. I suspect if it was that cut and dry, the guy would have been charged already.
 
Sanford police detectives were expected to finish their work on the case Monday, the chief said, and would forward the matter to the state attorney's office Tuesday, which would make a charging decision.

But that did not satisfy the small crowd that had gathered outside Sanford's City Hall. More than a dozen members of Sanford's black community joined a group of reporters to hear what city officials had to say about the case.

"The black community sees your department protecting the shooter," shouted one man. "A little black boy is dead."

The chief tried to reassure the crowd that his agency was investigating the shooting "thoroughly and completely and fairly. … There are no winners in this event," he said.

According to an incident report, Zimmerman, 28, called police that night, reporting that he saw a suspicious person. Sanford police dispatched a patrol car, but before that officer arrived, other 911 callers began to phone the agency, complaining of a fight.

Zimmerman was taken into custody but was released. His nose was bloody, and officers spotted blood on the back of his head as well as grass on the back of his shirt, according to the incident report.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-case-20120312,0,103615.story

Under intense pressure from the community, city officials in Sanford held a press conference on Monday.

"We are going to complete a thorough and fair investigation and present all the information to the state attorney's office so justice can be rendered," Lee said.

Police said they have not charged Zimmerman because there are no grounds to disprove his story of what happened.

"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have," Lee said.

Lee said the directions the 911 dispatcher gave Zimmerman to not accost Martin when the incident arose were not mandatory instructions.

"That is a call taker making a recommendation to him. He's not under a legal obligation to do that, so that is not something we can charge him with. But it would have been a good outcome if those -- if Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman never came in contact with one another."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/12/justice/florida-teen-shot/?hpt=hp_t2

A volunteer community watch captain who shot an unarmed Florida teenager to death last month had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics, a homeowner said.
[...]

At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,â€￾ the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.

The meeting was attended by Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee, the detective assigned to the investigation and an unnamed member of the city council, according to the homeowner’s association newsletter. The chief couldn't immediately be reached for comment about the complaints. A member of the homeowner’s association board, who asked not to be quoted by name, said she “hadn’t heard about any complaintsâ€￾ about Zimmerman.
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And as the story continues to gain national media attention, civil rights leaders, including members of the NAACP and the Rev. Al Sharpton, said they are preparing to join the family of Martin, who was black. Zimmerman is white.

“This case is disturbing to say the least,â€￾ Sharpton told Huffpost. “This is appalling, to think that this guy admitted to initiating the conversation and that there was no crime other than the killing of this young man. Yet, [Zimmerman] is walking around with no threat of an arrest.â€￾
[...]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1340358.html


Kind of hard to dispute the facts when you're dead. I can't see any common sense in Zimmerman confronting the kid or in needing to use deadly force to protect himself.
 
If anything, Zimmerman should not have gotten out of his car, and should have taken the advise of the operator and not confronted the boy. If he had kept his ass in his car, nothing would have happened.
I don't care what anyone says, the kid was walking down the street, being followed by some guy in a car.... I would be a little disturbed had it been me.
Then said guy gets out of his car and approaches him.... I would again be wondering what this guy was intending on doing to me.... Stalker? Psycho? Killer? Weirdo?
I would be ready to fight.
A man with a gun and an unarmed 17 year old. Hmmmm
Zimmerman,
Okay, so lets say there was a fist fight, there was no need for bullets. Plain and simple. Just because you have a gun and a permit to carry one, does not give the right to just shoot someone. Even if he was a better fighter and had your ass on the ground. Maybe you should have stayed in your FUCKING car, and the fight never would have happened. Asshole!!!
 
It is ridiculous that Zimmerman hasn't been arrested yet. He sounds like a bully, based on what other people in the neighborhood have said. If he can't be charged with murder or manslaughter for killing Trayvon, he should be sued for wrongful death by Trayvon's family, and they should take him for everything down to his last skidmarked pair of tighty-whities.
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/trayvon-martin-cont/254536/

"The cries stopped as soon as the gun went off, so I know it was the little boy," Cutcher said. Cutcher said a cry for help got her attention on the day Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in her backyard by Zimmerman, who was a neighborhood vigilante. Cutcher said that until now, she ignored repeated attempts by national and local media to share what she saw, partially out of fear.

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"Blew us off, and I called him back again and I said, "I know this was not self-defense. There was no punching, no hitting going on at the time, no wrestling,'" Cutcher said. Cutcher said she believes whatever confrontation there was, it ended before they got to her backyard.

I just have to wonder if Trayvon left the main road to get away from the car following him and ducked between houses causing Zimmerman to decide to follow him and confront or if Zimmerman left his car and then Trayvon ran away.

Sanford police pointed to a state statute for not making an immediate rest, and they sent WFTV a copy of the law entitled, "Justifiable Use of Force."

However, WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer reviewed the statute and said that if Zimmerman was told by 911 to not confront Martin and did anyway, the statute is not on his side.

"The use of deadly force in this case was unlawful and a valid arrest could have been made," Sheaffer said. Sheaffer also said that ultimately an arrest could be, and likely should be made, and then the state would decide if the charges stick.

I agree it seems like it should be up to the DA and then a jury to decide if this is self defense and not the cops who may have a relationship with this guy as part of the neighborhood watch.

The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

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(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Does anyone in any way believe that Zimmerman backed off of Trayvon and then Trayvon came at him aggressively after he retreated? And it's pretty obvious that Zimmerman provoked the attack that ultimately led to his supposed need for self defense.
 
Zimmerman described Martin as suspicious because he was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and walking slowly in the rain, police later told residents at a town hall.
A dispatcher told him to wait for a police cruiser, and not leave his vehicle.
But about a minute later, Zimmerman left his car wearing a red sweatshirt and pursued Martin on foot between two rows of townhouses, about 70 yards from where the teen was going.

Lee said Zimmerman's pursuit of Martin did not of itself constitute a crime.

An officer at the scene overheard Zimmerman saying, "I was yelling for someone to help me but no one would help me," the report said.
Witnesses told ABC News they heard Zimmerman pronounce aloud to the breathless residents watching the violence unfold "it was self-defense," and place the gun on the ground.
But after the shooting, a source inside the police department told ABC News that a narcotics detective and not a homicide detective first approached Zimmerman. The detective peppered Zimmerman with questions, the source said, rather than allow Zimmerman to tell his story. Questions can lead a witness, the source said.

Another officer corrected a witness after she told him that she heard the teen cry for help.

The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborho...s-questionable/story?id=15907136#.T2IBg_UuF18
 
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Mary Cutcher, a witness to the shooting, told WFTV-Channel 9 in a Wednesday report that police took only a short statement from her, despite repeated attempts to share what she saw at length.

"I said, 'I know this was not self-defense. There was no punching, no hitting going on at the time, no wrestling,'" Cutcher said, adding that she felt the police investigating the shooting "blew us off."
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Police spokesman Sgt. Dave Morgenstern on Thursday issued a statement disputing Cutcher's version of events, calling her statements to WFTV "inconsistent with her sworn testimony to police."

"Actually officers who were canvassing the neighborhood looking for potential witnesses, the evening of the shooting, contacted her and she said she did not want to get involved," Morgenstern said.

"She did write a statement, for her roommate, and that was only after several attempts by officers who were asking for her information,"
Morgenstern said, adding that "the information she provided in her sworn statements… [was] consistent with the information Zimmerman provided."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...tin-witness-tv-report-20120315,0,559932.story

"What gave him the right to think he was judge, jury and executioner?" asks Martin's uncle, Ronald Fulton.

The answer to his question may be simple: the state of Florida, which in 2005 enacted one of the nation's strongest so-called "stand your ground" self-defense laws. According to the statute, a person in Florida is justified in using deadly force against another if he or she "reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

Was Trayvon Martin, who was unarmed, posing a threat to Zimmerman's life? We may never know for sure, but in Florida - and a growing number of states - what matters isn't whether or not Martin was actually a threat, only that Zimmerman "reasonably" believed he was.

But what is reasonable? Ekow Yankah, an associate professor of criminal law at Cardozo School of Law in New York, says that to some people, it is reasonable to be suspicious of a young black man walking alone in the dark.

"We have to decide what counts as 'reasonable' to be afraid of, and nobody should pretend that that isn't socially and culturally loaded," says Yankah.

Gregory O'Meara, an associate professor of law at Marquette University School of Law, agrees.

"These 'stand your ground' laws license pistol-packing urban cowboys and paranoid people," says O'Meara, who fought the passage of a similar law in Wisconsin. "We've all been trained to be afraid of black men, and if you're afraid enough that justifies everything."

But Allen County Indiana prosecutor Karen Richards, who has prosecuted cases involving claims of self-defense, says that the new laws simply "solidify what juries were feeling anyway. If you're in a place where you have a right to be and you have a reasonable belief you need to use deadly force, juries don't think you need to retreat."
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Thus far, there is no indication that Trayvon Martin was in the commission of any sort of crime when he was approached by Zimmerman, who was reportedly driving an SUV.
Still, judging by the fact that he has not been arrested and the case has been referred to the state's attorney, law enforcement seems to be struggling to determine whether Zimmerman's actions fall within the scope of the Florida law.

"The law has made things confusing for law enforcement," says Zachary Weaver, a Florida defense attorney who in 2008 wrote an article on the state's "stand your ground" law for the University of Miami Law Review.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...ies-of-a-new-generation-of-self-defense-laws/

This is from an opinion column, rather than a news article:
If George Zimmerman didn't break every rule in the book when it comes to Neighborhood Watch programs, he came close.

Zimmerman called Sanford police on Feb. 26, a rainy Sunday evening, to report a suspicious person inside his neighborhood near Seminole Towne Center.

We don't know everything that happened in the 13 minutes that passed between the time Zimmerman, 28, called police and a paramedic pronounced 17-year-old Trayvon Martin dead.

But this much isn't in dispute: Zimmerman was armed. He was alone. And while waiting for police, he somehow got into a fight with the person he thought suspicious.

All three of those actions are strongly discouraged by the National Sheriffs' Association, which oversees about 20,000 Neighborhood Watch programs.

There are practical reasons for those rules.
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"There is no reason in the world to carry a gun for Neighborhood Watch,"
said Chris Tutko, a retired police chief who now directs Neighborhood Watch for the sheriffs' association. "It gets people more into trouble than out of it."

A manual published by the association for its "USAonWatch" program makes that very clear.

"It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles," the manual states. "Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous."

Zimmerman is reportedly the self-appointed leader for the group at his complex of town homes. A sign at the gated entrance warns it is surveilled by Neighborhood Watch, and says, "We report all suspicious persons and activities to the Sanford Police Department."

That's a prudent step for any neighborhood. In fact, Neighborhood Watches are popular in Central Florida. In Orlando alone, there are 905 block captains listed with Orlando police.

Some groups are highly organized and walk their neighborhoods in scheduled patrols. More often, though, neighbors just get acquainted with one another, exchange phone numbers and learn to report anything out of the ordinary that they notice as they move through life's predictable moments: taking out the garbage, walking the dog or getting the mail.

Even the basis for Zimmerman's initial phone call is questionable.


Here's why: The sheriffs' association manual lists the type of suspicious activity that should be reported to police. Among the examples: "Someone peering into car windows" and "broken doors or windows."

Nowhere does it list walking while black, which is all Trayvon appeared to be doing as he made his way back to the house of his dad's fiancée after a candy run to 7-Eleven. Trayvon was armed only with a package of Skittles in his pocket.

At least one neighbor told the Sentinel that young black men were suspected in recent neighborhood crimes. Yet nothing — so far, at least — suggests that Zimmerman had reason to think Trayvon was committing a crime.

We don't know exactly what happened next, but at some point the two fought. Zimmerman was bleeding by the time police arrived, and Trayvon was lying facedown dead in the grass.

Zimmerman told police the shooting happened in self-defense. The Seminole County state attorney is investigating whether the killing was justified.

It doesn't take much investigating, though, to see that if some basic, common-sense rules of Neighborhood Watch had been followed, it's likely none of this would have happened.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...314_1_orlando-police-block-captains-zimmerman
 
George Zimmerman's father: My son is not racist, did not confront Trayvon Martin
The Sanford neighborhood watch volunteer who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, did not instigate the encounter, but has received death threats and moved out of his home, his father told the Orlando Sentinel Thursday.
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Zimmerman's father, 64-year-old Robert Zimmerman of Lake Mary, delivered a one-page letter to the Sentinel Thursday, saying that the depiction of his son in the media has been cruel and misleading.

George Zimmerman is Hispanic and has grown up in a multi-racial family, the statement says.

"The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth," the letter says. "He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever."

The letter does not provide details about what happened Feb. 26 on a walkway in the gated community where George Zimmerman lives and where Trayvon was visiting. But it does challenge one basic assumption: that Zimmerman got out of his SUV to confront Trayvon after calling police to report a suspicious person.

"At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin. When the true details of the event became public, and I hope that will be soon, " the letter said, "everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media."

Police have released little information about what happened that night and no details about how Trayvon and Zimmerman came to be face to face.
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George Zimmerman has not talked publicly about what happened, his father said, because that's the advice police gave him. Both Zimmerman families have moved out of their homes, at least temporarily, Robert Zimmerman said, because they've received death threats.

Police on Tuesday turned the case over to the state attorney's office, saying they did not have evidence to justify George Zimmerman's arrest on a charge of manslaughter.

Prosecutors will now likely spend several weeks studying the case before making a decision on whether to charge Zimmerman.

Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee Jr. told the Sentinel Thursday night that he has invited theU.S. Department of Justice and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to review the investigation.
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...immerman-letter-20120315,0,7708514,full.story

The full text of the letter is available at the link.
 
"At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin. When the true details of the event became public, and I hope that will be soon, " the letter said, "everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media."

I'm more outraged by the treatment of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman.

And if Zimmerman didn't follow or confront Martin, how did Martin end up dead and Zimmerman "injured?"
 
Oh so obviously 140 lb Trayvon came and dragged Zimmerman out of his car, right? I can't wait to hear this story.
When I read what Zimmerman's dad had to say, that was what I thought of too. While I can see a teenager getting spooked by an SUV slowly following them - and even see a teenager getting all "teenager bravado" and approaching the vehicle - why would anyone get out of their car to "have a friendly chat" with someone they called a "suspicious person"? Especially knowing cops are on their way.

I wonder if Zimmerman's own actions didn't seem suspicious to Trayvon and he started to trot/sprint/run for the house... causing Zimmerman to increase his stupid overactive imagination and get out of the SUV and go after the "bad guy".

I know I would quicken my step/run if an SUV was trailing me on a dark rainy night. And if someone started to come after me/caught me, I sure as hell would fight back. My purse would be a far deadlier weapon than some Skittles, but still nothing worth shooting me for.
 
This is one case where I don't mind Don K- I mean Al Sharpton raising a fuss! I feel like if no one steps up and calls for some kind of justice then this could have easily been swept under the rug. Zimmerman's Daddy needs to get his head out of his ass. His boy may not be racist but in this situation he had no right to kill this unarmed boy. Skittles and a iced tea FFS! What kind of threat was this boy posing is what I wanna know? Sounds like the good ol boy connection at work.
 
I have absolutely no experience with this, having never lived anywhere with a neighbourhood watch. Is it normal for them to behave as if they themselves are the cops? Because it seems kind of stupid and douche-y.

From TMS' link:

He dialed police — his 46th call in the past 14 months to report shady people, reckless drivers and other disturbances around his neighborhood.

Maybe I'm sheltered here in Canadia-land... but this alone seems like overkill to me. He seems thoroughly too impressed with himself and paranoid.
 
Police give interview, set to release 911 calls:
Sanford police plan to release the 911 calls this afternoon in the controversial shooting of Trayvon Martin — the17-year-old shot while walking through a gated community last month by volunteer crime watch member George Zimmerman.
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The agency decided to release the 911 calls after a series of meetings today with U.S. Rep Corrine Brown, Sanford's mayor, Jeff Triplett, Commissioner Velma Williams and City Manager Norton Bonaparte. Triplett and Brown will be asking to meet with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder early next week.

"I would hope that they'd make a difference, to try to stop or slow down … the high state of emotions," said Police Chief Bill Lee Jr.

Lee, Investigator Chris Serino — the case's lead detective — and other department managers sat down for an exclusive interview with the Orlando Sentinel today.

Lee said he is frustrated that Trayvon's family, its lawyers and others have ripped his department for its handling of the case. He is not a racist, he said, and his officers conducted a thorough and fair investigation and did nothing underhanded or untruthful.

"The hysteria, the media circus, it's just crazy," Lee said. "It's the craziest damn thing I've ever seen, and it's sad. It's sad for the city of Sanford, the police department, because I know in my heart we did a good job."

They have worked closely with prosecutors, Serino said, and have not arrested Zimmerman because prosecutors have consistently told them they do not have enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.

That's because Zimmerman says he was defending himself, something he's allowed to do under Florida law.

The best account of what happened came from Zimmerman, Serino said. Other witnesses who saw or heard parts of what happened corroborate his version of events, the investigator said.

Zimmerman told police he got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot, and the 17-year-old came toward him.

The two got into a fight, and Zimmerman wound up on the ground
, he told police. Trayvon hit him in the face, and Zimmerman yelled for help.

Several witnesses heard the fight, including a 13-year-old boy out walking his dog, but there have been different accounts of who was crying for help.

Zimmerman told police that Trayvon was the aggressor. Police have found no credible evidence, Serino said, to contradict that.

"Everything we have is adding up to what he says," said Serino.

There are gaps, Capt. Bob O'Connor admitted, in what police have been able to piece together. And they have yet to review what's on Trayvon's cell phone, something the family surrendered only after police issued a subpoena.

Lee said he has no qualms about the U.S. Department of Justice getting involved. He's been in touch with that office for several days, trying to set up a meeting, he said.

Someone from the U.S. Attorney's Office is expected to be in Sanford at a meeting Tuesday, Lee said.

"If the DOJ wants to come in and look at what we've done, we are an open book," said Lee.

Lee said he is dumbstruck by critics who demand that police simply arrest Zimmerman then let a judge and jury decide whether he acted in self-defense.

"You're violating their civil rights if you do that,"
he said.

And Zimmerman, despite all the criticism he's faced, does have civil rights, police said.

Said Serino, "We don't arrest to punish. … We have a circumstantial case. We have a case that's one-sided. We have a lot of questions to be answered. I just hope we can get those answered so we can tell the Martin family what happened that night."

Zimmerman contacted the Sanford Police Department 46 times in the past 15 months, the agency reported today. The most frequent reason for his call – eight times – was to report a suspicious person, the agency said.

"I hold law enforcement officers in the highest regard and I hope to one day become one," Zimmerman wrote in an application to the Seminole County Sheriff's Office citizen's law enforcement academy. That's a class in which citizens learn about policing and how the sheriff's office works.

He went through that program in 2009.

Records with the sheriff's office show he had a history of following suspects. In 2003 he saw a 24-year-old Lake Mary man shoplift a 24-inch TV from an Albertson's Supermarket, called the Seminole County Sheriff's Office and followed the suspect's car for several blocks, allowing a deputy to make an arrest.

The next year, he followed a man in his vehicle for several blocks after accusing him of spitting at him, according to an incident report. The other driver accused Zimmerman of tailgating him, and was not arrested.

The glut of email from an online petition, calling for Zimmerman's arrest, temporarily shut down the email system at the State Attorney's Office in Sanford and Viera Thursday, the office acknowledged.

More than 240,000 people have signed the petition, calling for his prosecution, according to change.org, an online petition website.

The Seminole-Brevard State Attorney's Office has the investigative material from Sanford police detectives, and said it could be weeks before a determination is made about whether the 28-year-old community watch member who shot the Miami teen last month will be charged with a crime.

Trayvon's family members have pleaded with police to arrest Zimmerman to no avail.

"Until we can establish probable cause to dispute that, we don't have the grounds to arrest him,"
Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee Jr. said Monday.
[...]

The New Black Liberation Militia, a self-styled black survival group, has announced that it plans to make a citizens arrest of Zimmerman next week, the Associated Press reported.

It quoted Najee Muhammad, a group leader, saying, "We'll find him. We've got his mug shot and everything."

Natalie Jackson, a lawyer for the Martin family, said she does not support the threat, but also cannot control them.

"There are people out there with their own agendas," Jackson said. "It's nothing we condone."
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...g-police-department-investigator-chris-serino
 
Taking all the racial shit out of it, looking at it with everything but that, I'd still wonder why he wasn't arrested. I've read many stories of people arrested with less chance of a conviction.

2 men. 1 with a weapon and no need to go anywhere near the guy with no weapon, the guy who could have only presented a threat had the guy with the weapon taken action to put himself into danger. And the guy who we know was safe in his car ends up shooting the other guy? How is this not in the least questionable? How is this not suspicious enough to warrant arrest? Arrest doesn't necessarily mean guilt.

Had Trayvon shot him, would it have been self defense? Some guy follows you in a vehicle and then gets out to confront you?

By this logic, how would anyone ever get arrested unless the DA knew they'd win the case?
 
Here's the video version of the George Zimmermans 911 and then individual videos for each 911 call of the witnesses.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/031612-911-calls-released-in-Sanford-shooting


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/trayvon-martin-911-audio-_n_1354909.html

This site has the audio but it just keeps buffering. I'm trying to find another site with the 911 calls.

“This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something,â€￾ Zimmerman tells the 911 operator. “He’s just staring, looking at all the houses. Now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hand in his waistband. Something’s wrong with him.â€￾

Zimmerman described Martin as wearing a hoodie and sweatpants or jeans. He continues: “He’s coming to check me out. He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. Can we get an officer over here?â€￾


“These assholes always get away,â€￾ he says to the operator. Zimmerman is then heard giving directions to the dispatcher. “Shit, he’s running,â€￾ Zimmerman says.

“Are you following him?â€￾ the dispatchers asked.

“Yes,â€￾ Zimmerman responds.

“We don’t need you to do that,â€￾ the dispatcher says.

So Trayvon is walking along; new to the neighborhood; checking out the houses. Looks like he notices Zimmerman following him; starts to approach the vehicle to see what's up / get a better look. Changes his mind and backs off. Then he takes off running. Did he see the gun or did he get freaked out by Zimmerman's general demeanor? GZ bitches that these assholes always get away and then pursues like a cop would because he wants to be a cop. He thinks of himself as his neighborhood's defender and this asshole will not get away. Then when Trayvon defends himself against a guy chasing him; he can get to plead self defense.

And the cops; just shrug and say well he says it's self defense so that's good enough for me. What a joke?

There is
 
911 tape shows George Zimmerman lamenting that the ‘a--holes always get away’
An attorney for Trayvon Martin’s parents said the 911 tapes were ‘amazing.’
The 911 tapes released by police Friday show neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman called in with a problem: there had been a few break-ins lately, and now there was another suspicious guy in his Retreats at Twin Lakes neighborhood.

He looked like he might be on drugs and “up to no good.â€￾

“It’s raining. He’s just walking around, looking about,â€￾ Zimmerman told the dispatcher. “He’s just staring looking at all the houses.â€￾

Later, he lamented: “These a**holes always get away.â€￾
[...]

According to the recordings posted on the Orlando Sentinel website, Zimmerman was perturbed because Trayvon looked a bit out of sorts.

“He’s just looking at all the houses,â€￾ George Zimmerman said. “Now he’s just staring at me.â€￾

Then Zimmerman said the suspicious person, who appeared to be black and in his late teens, had his hand in his waist band. “Something’s wrong with him. He’s coming to check me out.â€￾

As he narrates where the man headed, the dispatcher asks, “are you following him?â€￾

“Yeah,â€￾ Zimmerman said.

“We don’t need you to do that.â€￾
[...]

Several other callers reported hearing someone crying for help, and then a shot. One chilling call was so close that the howling could be heard in the background -- and then a shot. Then silence.

The sounds in the background echoed the account of the witnesses who came forward to say they heard desperate cries for help from a child, a gunshot, then abrupt silence. The witnesses believe it was Trayvon -- not Zimmerman -- who was crying for help.
[...]

One caller said he could hear cries for help.

“They are wrestling right in the back of my house,â€￾ the man said. “The guy is yelling help, and I’m not going outside.

“I’m pretty sure the guy is dead out here.â€￾
Much more in the article: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/16/2697604/trayvon-martins-parents-criss.html


George Zimmerman 911 call reporting Trayvon Martin:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...e-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin

911 call: Yelling & gunshot heard in background: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...lling-gunshot-heard-in-background#pl-68832490

911 call: "I heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped": http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...nd-and-then-the-screaming-stopped#pl-68832490


More audio calls: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...lling-gunshot-heard-in-background#pl-68832490
 
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