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Alf

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A belated tip o' the watch cap to @aranka.

The mother and aunt of a little Edmonton girl have been charged with her attempted murder and numerous child-abuse offences involving all five children in their care.

The two sisters appeared briefly by closed-circuit television Monday morning in an Edmonton provincial court. Dressed in bright yellow sweatshirts and sweatpants issued by the Edmonton Remand Centre, the pair showed little expression. One woman yawned when the prosecutor called the case a "serious and complex matter."

A court-ordered publication ban protects the names of the children, so their mothers' names cannot be released. CBC News will identify them by their initials, JL, age 24, and AM, age 23.

JL's daughter remains in hospital in serious but stable condition. Her mother and aunt are accused of committing the following crimes against her between July 1 and Dec. 16, 2017:

  • Attempted murder
  • Abandonment
  • Unlawful confinement
  • Criminal negligence by not providing medical attention
  • Failure to provide the necessaries of life
JL and AM are also accused of abusing JL's younger daughter over the same period of time. They are charged with her aggravated assault, abandonment, unlawful confinement, criminal negligence by not providing medical attention and failure to provide the necessaries of life.

Exclusive
New details emerge in 'very disturbing' Edmonton child abuse case
2 young sisters found inside furniture boxes had broken bones, sources say

Police were called by a distraught babysitter to this northeast Edmonton townhouse on Dec. 16. CBC News has spoken to sources to piece together new details that led to charges of including attempted murder against two Edmonton mothers in December. (CBC News )
WARNING: Some readers may find details disturbing

Two young sisters had numerous broken bones when they were discovered by a babysitter inside furniture boxes left in a dark, barricaded, basement room at a northeast Edmonton townhouse, CBC sources say.

CBC News has spoken to a number of sources to piece together new details that led to charges of attempted murder, unlawful confinement and abandonment against two Edmonton mothers in December.

Days after the charges were laid, Edmonton police Chief Rod Knecht told CBC News he was aware of the details surrounding the case.

"I think it's one to pay attention to," Knecht said. "I do have the details. And it's very disturbing."

A court-ordered publication ban protects the names of the children, so their mothers' names cannot be released. CBC News is identifying the mothers by their initials: JL, age 24, and AM, 23.

JL has two young daughters, ages 6 and 3. AM has three children: ages 2, 3 and 5.

They all lived in a two-storey townhouse in northeast Edmonton.

The sources gave CBC this account.

On Dec. 16, the two mothers decided they wanted a night out. Their regular babysitter was not available, so they called in someone new.

The mothers told the babysitter that three children were upstairs and two others were downstairs. The babysitter was told not to worry about the downstairs children and to focus on the three young ones upstairs.

After the mothers left, the babysitter checked on the children who were upstairs. She thought they looked malnourished and became alarmed.

At that point, she decided it was important to check on the children downstairs.

But a piece of furniture was blocking the downstairs door. The babysitter pushed it out of the way and entered a dark room.

Shocking discovery
Inside the room were two closed furniture boxes. A three-year-old girl was inside one of the boxes. Her six-year-old sister was inside the other box.

The six-year-old was unconscious. The babysitter called 911.

Both girls were transported by ambulance to hospital. The older girl spent days in intensive care fighting for her life.

The sources told CBC News that the two children had numerous broken bones. Subsequent testing revealed the three-year-old had likely been eating her own hair. It was found in her stomach.
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This story comes from Canada. It appears that CBC may have filters in place that prevent anybody except Canadians from reading these stories; at any rate, it delivered the stories then almost immediately gave me a 404 error. YMMV.

--Al

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Alberta is Canada's Alabama.
I lived out there for a few years and will never go back.
Worst collection of drunken screw ups you can imagine.
These two broads likely enjoy the idea of being in jail.
3 squares
housing
carpet munching
It will be scumbag paradise to them.
 
Bitches is too nice a word to call them.
Tie them to a tree, let their eyes be poked by ravens and the vultures will handle the rest.
 
On Dec. 16, the two mothers decided they wanted a night out. Their regular babysitter was not available, so they called in someone new.
I'd like to know more about this person. How often did the regular babysitter watch the children? I realize she might not have seen the children for a few months but if she was aware of the children's dire straits she should have called police.
 
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That's what I was thinking, it's become so normal to these shit stains that they call a baby sitter and tell them not to check on the two downstairs, if they hadn't told her that, she might not have even known about them so, I guess, they figured everybody has two little abused, near death, kids in their basement. :arghh::arghh::arghh:
 
That's what I was thinking, it's become so normal to these shit stains that they call a baby sitter and tell them not to check on the two downstairs, if they hadn't told her that, she might not have even known about them so, I guess, they figured everybody has two little abused, near death, kids in their basement. :arghh::arghh::arghh:
Kudos to that sitter though. Whoever they are, they're a damn good human being.
 
Alberta is Canada's Alabama.
I lived out there for a few years and will never go back.
Worst collection of drunken screw ups you can imagine.
These two broads likely enjoy the idea of being in jail.
3 squares
housing
carpet muncher
It will be scumbag paradise to them.
Fuck you, Sejanus - we're done! :hilarious::hug:
I moved to Edmonton 26 years ago ..
It's nothing like Toronto but, it sure isn't backwards - naive and small townish, yes ..

I'm shocked by this story for two reasons ..
1- I live in Edmonton and didn't hear about this story ..
2- I work in the north east part of the city .. I bet if I try hard enough, I can find out some shit on these two mothers ..
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I'd like to know more about this person. How often did the regular babysitter watch the children? I realize she might not have seen the children for a few months but if she was aware of the children's dire straits she should have called police.
Yes, I agree - who was this, regular baby sitter and what does she know!
 
Kudos to the new babysitter for giving a damn and checking on these littles.

Fuck the relatives AND the regular babysitter with splintery two by fours.

How do you get to the point of 'We're killing these kids, the babysitter won't care?'

... and worse, find one that *didn't* care...
 
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155797400270240&id=511475239
Link to story
"Moms" pics n fbook in comments
One of them has one single pic of one child out of three but tons of selfies. Other has her two kids up and again much more pics of her fat ass. I'd post their profiles but its not proven in court yet so they may be innocent right? Lol (total joke)
I don't understand why some people have kids?
This babysitter deserves a medal for saving those two babies. ♡
[doublepost=1515861402,1515861361][/doublepost]Ps thank you so much for your post Alf :)
 
Please, oh pretty please!:cool:
I'm going to visit a girlfriend today who lives on the north side, I'll see what she knows .. :cool:

Without sounding all hoity toity, northeast Edmonton is actually very rough ..
Homes in that quadrant are significantly less expensive than the rest of the city ..
Lots and lots of government housing, low wage earners, casinos, prositutes, gangs and pawn shops ..

Once you get north of 144 Avenue, it's quite respectable and nice, almost like a whole different city ..
[doublepost=1515942390,1515941860][/doublepost]I just looked at the photo from @Muriel Schwenck , they only look to be, maybe, 22-23 years old ..
I definitely wouldn't know them, but I'm willing to bet some of the people, I work with, went to school with them!

I suspect, they're part of Edmonton's sex trade ..
 
What they meant to say is don’t worry about the ones downstairs, they are probably dead, no biggie....fucking whores need their faces set on fire
 
No one I've talked to at work know them or anything about them ..
Everyone is still shocked about the whole situation ..
 
A belated tip o' the watch cap to @aranka.




Link 1 -- I think
Link 2

This story comes from Canada. It appears that CBC may have filters in place that prevent anybody except Canadians from reading these stories; at any rate, it delivered the stories then almost immediately gave me a 404 error. YMMV.

--Al

ETA: credit
These r my grandchildren
I sounded the alarm in aug n I got verbal accused of being a busybody n troublemaker by my mother n Julie's parrnts
[doublepost=1516579361,1516578957][/doublepost]There Dad is my adopted son
His mom is my baby sister
Hes been in my life since birth
My mother took him at 8 moths
Then his brother was born n I raised him he is my bow n arrow
I only wish I would have raised Tre too
Cause he surly wound have had the girls at 16 nJulie being 18
Tre was 12 when he hooked up with this messed up child
 
Ms. Cheryl:

Please tell us what you know about how these sweet babies ended up in boxes.

We appreciate you being here. <3
 
Hey pr
A belated tip o' the watch cap to @aranka.




Link 1 -- I think
Link 2

This story comes from Canada. It appears that CBC may have filters in place that prevent anybody except Canadians from reading these stories; at any rate, it delivered the stories then almost immediately gave me a 404 error. YMMV.
Hey people
These lile girls r my grandbabies
Only a few members of our family r involved rite now so not to overwhelm the girls
Cause they just want to come home
The oldest asked my mother y no one listened to momma
That broke my soul
Cause I sounded the alarm in august n was told not to be a troublemaker n a busybody by my mother n Julie's parents
I just don't understand
Why people do this
I'm a strong First Nation women
I cry n pray for my women who r missing n murder First Nation women
Now I checked out cry of the innocent n can't believe there r so many abused children
[doublepost=1516582669,1516582382][/doublepost]I feel very alone
I'm a survivor of tragic amuse on so many levels
 
Hey pr

[doublepost=1516582669,1516582382][/doublepost]I feel very alone
I'm a survivor of tragic amuse on so many levels
Quite a few people here that care and will listen.
Lots of us have suffered abuse. Whatever feelings you have right now are important.
 
These r my grandchildren
I sounded the alarm in aug n I got verbal accused of being a busybody n troublemaker by my mother n Julie's parrnts
[doublepost=1516579361,1516578957][/doublepost]There Dad is my adopted son
His mom is my baby sister
Hes been in my life since birth
My mother took him at 8 moths
Then his brother was born n I raised him he is my bow n arrow
I only wish I would have raised Tre too
Cause he surly wound have had the girls at 16 nJulie being 18
Tre was 12 when he hooked up with this messed up child
<3 *hugs* <3

Thank you for finding us Cheryl ..
 
Quite a few people here that care and will listen.
Lots of us have suffered abuse. Whatever feelings you have right now are important.


@Valasca speaks the truth; we care deeply for those littles. <3

We may be salty but we are very compassionate when it comes to victims, both child and adult.
 
@Valasca speaks the truth; we care deeply for those littles. <3

We may be salty but we are very compassionate when it comes to victims, both child and adult.
Agreed ..

We want the absolute worst for the offenders ..
We wish peace, healing and understanding for the victims and survivors ..

Cheryl, please don't feel alone ..

<3
 
Thank you for sharing. Do you know if the girls are ok?
Yes there happy n thriving
They just want to come home to us
But the system say no not till everything is a ok
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Agreed ..

We want the absolute worst for the offenders ..
We wish peace, healing and understanding for the victims and survivors ..

Cheryl, please don't feel alone ..

<3
I'm so over whelmed to known people really care
I'm being shut out frm my family cause u sounded the alarm n no one listened
Thanks for ur kindness n love
 
Yes there happy n thriving
They just want to come home to us
But the system say no not till everything is a ok
[doublepost=1516586144,1516585921][/doublepost]
I'm so over whelmed to known people really care
I'm being shut out frm my family cause u sounded the alarm n no one listened
Thanks for ur kindness n love
Cheryl, I live in west Edmonton and work in the north east ..
Please feel free to send me a PM if you need to talk or if you'd like to meet up sometime .. <3
 
Yes there happy n thriving
They just want to come home to us
But the system say no not till everything is a ok
[doublepost=1516586144,1516585921][/doublepost]
I'm so over whelmed to known people really care
I'm being shut out frm my family cause u sounded the alarm n no one listened
Thanks for ur kindness n love


You are not alone. We may be weirdos on the interwebs but for the most part we are all here because we really care.
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Cheryl, I live in west Edmonton and work in the north east ..
Please feel free to send me a PM if you need to talk or if you'd like to meet up sometime .. <3


You are.....just lovely. <3
 
Ms. Cheryl:

Please tell us what you know about how these sweet babies ended up in boxes.

We appreciate you being here. <3
Ok
This started on July 26th my late daughter memorial weekend
I was busy with fundraising so I didn't get to c my girls till later on Sunday when they came the first thing I noticed was how timid they where n that's so not like them the baby we have a crazy relationship she loves me but I think my disabilities baffles her do she use to keep her distance but that day they where peekin around the counter of the concession I felt there Lille eyes n said loud n proud oh momma s girls r here baby ran rite into my arms blew me away yet my 6 year old she loves mommma n just talks n shares n hugs bliss but she didn't move n I seen such sadness I stretch out my arms n signaled her to come n she slowly came to me n hugged me so tight I just bout started cryn but had to compose myself
I noticed baby was real sick n told my mother to take her to the clinic she had a ear infection n her nose was so runny but of course it fell on deaf ears
So in comes Monday
We r sitting around n the girls came running up to us momma momma we here
I say yes come give momma some loves
N they where both all over me felt to good to hold them n c them
So we ehere making brunch n we where packing up our concession when I told all the grand kids if they ate they could have treats
The girls never moved
N I asked them r u hungry they shook there heads yes so I began to feed them
My word they where eating like there was no tomorrow
I said u missed real cooking girls do u want more
They looked at me like no other looked I've seen like really we ca eat
I looked at my mother n said that's not right r they not getting fed right
My 6 yr old says no momma we re to fat n bad
I said what
Then she says momma we get to stay I promise I'll be a good girl n I'll show baby to be one too
Fuck I was blown away
Then I asked her
So how's ur new home
Cause I thought Julie got a place in Calgary
Then I get told the in Edmonton
But any who
She continues I don't like it
Why?
Cause mommy lets auntie n other grandma be mean to us
What?
Then I sad like how
N she says when I'm bad they put me in s box with a lile hole so all I c is the dark n they said if I try to get out the boogie man will get me
What the fuck mom ?
Mother looks st me. Say I don't think this is happening
Kids don't lie mother n if they do it's cause there taught
Next thing I'm like baby the 3 yr old why u still in pampers I thought u where almost trained the last time I seen her
The the older says when baby gets scared she pees n poops her self n auntie wipes her face with her pull-up
Fuck I was pissed
My mother then walks way with them
I'm yellin at her don't let her take them I'm gettin to the bottom of this
So we s head home
Tuesday I tried to bath them m they wouldn't let me
So that I found out if the norm
Cause the last time they where with us they call my tub the pool n asked if they could go swimming I said yes they striped in the kitchen n ran up butt naked without a care in the world
So being pissed I told my mother hi bath them they freeked when I tried to help the undress I said my guts telling me something is not right
Do I told mother not to let them go I'm
Gonna get to the bottom of this
I tried but got stacked by so many in my family n hers that I was just tryn a cause trouble n b a busybody
I come bk n there gone
Fuck I was defeated again
It all fell on closed ears n blind eyes
Earlier last year child welfare branded there dad as the bad guy
Cause of his bad personal choices
But all in all I feel so to blame
My gut instinct told me something was wrong
I tried lots o fb to get ahold of j.l
No response
Then Christmas comes n there uncle my son says mom I just got five of the kids left to buy for where do we send the girls there's
Gee son I'm wondering that too
So again I tried no response
So I said a special prayer for them that where ever they maybe that they be safe n we get to c them for the holidays then I come home dec23 n they drop this on me
I shattered
I yelled n cried
Why the fuck don't anyone listen to me
Fuck ur all so stuck in brokenness n denial
N now we just want them home
We r not perfect but abusers no our babies r our future our pride for this to happen was ulgy
N to think this girl there mom had the family fooled
I seen how different she was 70 pound lighter n lookin unhealthy what r u doin I asked on I'm on a diet really I told her u really think I'm that dumb ok ur shit
Then the lieing
I just didn't want her toxic ass around me
I'd gladly take the blame cause I should have never let myself get bullied n just called someone
But my family has pull in my community
N what's said can n we be changed
Denial at its finest
Broken people
I wish they could c it
Counciling saved me 29 years
[doublepost=1516591450,1516589546][/doublepost]So many broken people
It's scarey that they don't c what they're doin is wrong
So many innocent children being abused n murdered
What the hell
Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think my grandchildren would be living survivors of such ulgy abuse
But with time n caring loving support frm us n all of u
They will grow to become beautiful amazing women
 
We're certainly weirdos, but I'm confident in saying we're SAFE weirdos. Most of us.
I've no doubt Myra would meet you in a public space so that you both feel safe.
 
Ok
This started on July 26th my late daughter memorial weekend
I was busy with fundraising so I didn't get to c my girls till later on Sunday when they came the first thing I noticed was how timid they where n that's so not like them the baby we have a crazy relationship she loves me but I think my disabilities baffles her do she use to keep her distance but that day they where peekin around the counter of the concession I felt there Lille eyes n said loud n proud oh momma s girls r here baby ran rite into my arms blew me away yet my 6 year old she loves mommma n just talks n shares n hugs bliss but she didn't move n I seen such sadness I stretch out my arms n signaled her to come n she slowly came to me n hugged me so tight I just bout started cryn but had to compose myself
I noticed baby was real sick n told my mother to take her to the clinic she had a ear infection n her nose was so runny but of course it fell on deaf ears
So in comes Monday
We r sitting around n the girls came running up to us momma momma we here
I say yes come give momma some loves
N they where both all over me felt to good to hold them n c them
So we ehere making brunch n we where packing up our concession when I told all the grand kids if they ate they could have treats
The girls never moved
N I asked them r u hungry they shook there heads yes so I began to feed them
My word they where eating like there was no tomorrow
I said u missed real cooking girls do u want more
They looked at me like no other looked I've seen like really we ca eat
I looked at my mother n said that's not right r they not getting fed right
My 6 yr old says no momma we re to fat n bad
I said what
Then she says momma we get to stay I promise I'll be a good girl n I'll show baby to be one too
Fuck I was blown away
Then I asked her
So how's ur new home
Cause I thought Julie got a place in Calgary
Then I get told the in Edmonton
But any who
She continues I don't like it
Why?
Cause mommy lets auntie n other grandma be mean to us
What?
Then I sad like how
N she says when I'm bad they put me in s box with a lile hole so all I c is the dark n they said if I try to get out the boogie man will get me
What the fuck mom ?
Mother looks st me. Say I don't think this is happening
Kids don't lie mother n if they do it's cause there taught
Next thing I'm like baby the 3 yr old why u still in pampers I thought u where almost trained the last time I seen her
The the older says when baby gets scared she pees n poops her self n auntie wipes her face with her pull-up
Fuck I was pissed
My mother then walks way with them
I'm yellin at her don't let her take them I'm gettin to the bottom of this
So we s head home
Tuesday I tried to bath them m they wouldn't let me
So that I found out if the norm
Cause the last time they where with us they call my tub the pool n asked if they could go swimming I said yes they striped in the kitchen n ran up butt naked without a care in the world
So being pissed I told my mother hi bath them they freeked when I tried to help the undress I said my guts telling me something is not right
Do I told mother not to let them go I'm
Gonna get to the bottom of this
I tried but got stacked by so many in my family n hers that I was just tryn a cause trouble n b a busybody
I come bk n there gone
Fuck I was defeated again
It all fell on closed ears n blind eyes
Earlier last year child welfare branded there dad as the bad guy
Cause of his bad personal choices
But all in all I feel so to blame
My gut instinct told me something was wrong
I tried lots o fb to get ahold of j.l
No response
Then Christmas comes n there uncle my son says mom I just got five of the kids left to buy for where do we send the girls there's
Gee son I'm wondering that too
So again I tried no response
So I said a special prayer for them that where ever they maybe that they be safe n we get to c them for the holidays then I come home dec23 n they drop this on me
I shattered
I yelled n cried
Why the fuck don't anyone listen to me
Fuck ur all so stuck in brokenness n denial
N now we just want them home
We r not perfect but abusers no our babies r our future our pride for this to happen was ulgy
N to think this girl there mom had the family fooled
I seen how different she was 70 pound lighter n lookin unhealthy what r u doin I asked on I'm on a diet really I told her u really think I'm that dumb ok ur shit
Then the lieing
I just didn't want her toxic ass around me
I'd gladly take the blame cause I should have never let myself get bullied n just called someone
But my family has pull in my community
N what's said can n we be changed
Denial at its finest
Broken people
I wish they could c it
Counciling saved me 29 years
[doublepost=1516591450,1516589546][/doublepost]So many broken people
It's scarey that they don't c what they're doin is wrong
So many innocent children being abused n murdered
What the hell
Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think my grandchildren would be living survivors of such ulgy abuse
But with time n caring loving support frm us n all of u
They will grow to become beautiful amazing women
[doublepost=1516592709][/doublepost]Sorry for the noval
 
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