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Hhmm somehow someone proving that ignorance and bigotry come in all races and sizes doesn't make me feel "shut down" light or otherwise.I stand my prior statement that Nita is an ignorant sack of shit.I'm not here to debate or sling slurs just state my opinion which I'm entitled to just as Nita or David Duke or Westboro Church is allowed to.
Obviously im anti pedophiles so if this guys are such then they don't deserve to live however homosexuality,the right to marriage and adoption if you are homosexual is not the point of the story.
To who ever said Nita's reply burned me? Um not so much as her opinion and her ignorance mean zilch to me.the only opinions that I care about are those from people I respect and it's obvious that ain't her(will admit I'm surprised she didn't drag up bid quotes...she seems the type).

I like how i affected your emotions to the point the bitch came out of you. I could give two shits if you "respect" me or not, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME!!!...im not understanding why you or that other chick think I give a damn hahah! Whether you like it or not I said what i had to say. I was not putting all Gays in the same category because i have gay and lesbian friends....but if your a man married to another man AFTER raising your own children...why would you need to adopt 9 orphan boys? Why weren't they investigated when they got past 5 boys or 3 for that matter...now 2 out of those 9 come forward and say they have been sexually molested..!! GTFOH again they're married men having sex wit boys for their fuckn leisure...now wipe that "sack of shit" off your face!
 
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I like how i affected your emotions to the point the bitch came out of you. I could give two shits if you "respect" me or not, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME!!!...im not understanding why you or that other chick think I give a damn hahah! Whether you like it or not I said what i had to say. I was not putting all Gays in the same category because i have gay and lesbian friends....but if your a man married to another man AFTER raising your own children...why would you need to adopt 9 orphan boys? Why weren't they investigated when they got past 5 boys or 3 for that matter...now 2 out of those 9 come forward and say they have been sexually molested..!! GTFOH again they're married men having sex wit boys for their fuckn leisure...now wipe that "sack of shit" off your face!


So, I guess that means I'm not a racist since "I have black friends" -- /snark

edited to add -- seriously though, that was done in fun, not beef.
 
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yea, i guess so ; ) you a funny chick...keep doing you..whatever that is...im going to go post on other links because thats what i really came to do..I can always take the trash out later! Bye Chelsea
 
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-__- you sure have a hard way of showing it...but if I offended you im sorry. Like i said...two MARRIED gay men + 9 adopted BOYS= SUSPECT!!!!

I don't think it's suspicious.. Now if these two guys drove a white van with "free candy" on the side and were accused of diddling kids, I'd be worried (which they are, so I am). Otherwise, I don't see the difference in two gays adopting that many kids than two straights adopting them. It's Non sequitur. Some people just genuinely love children and want to give them homes and families where they're loved and not abused, just like some people happen to be homosexual.
 
Otherwise, I don't see the difference in two gays adopting that many kids than two straights adopting them. It's Non sequitur. Some people just genuinely love children and want to give them homes and families where they're loved and not abused, just like some people happen to be homosexual.

Okay, let me rephrase this, so this time I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Anyone who is legally going through the system to adopt children..be it they are gay straight bi les ...should be investigated every year. To protect children from men and women pedophiles. I feel if the system there would have been doing their job, they may have caught them sooner. For every other child there should be some type of interview every year from the child until they are 18.. for people who like to keep adopting just to make sure they are safe and not being abused.

I just dont like the fact that these men are already married ...everyone has their opinion on homosexual relationships...i dont condone them but I dont knock anyones beliefs or choices. But damn, sexually molesting the boys made this whole situation worse. Why be married if you're going to molest the boys? Its disgusting and sad. Little boys shouldn't turn grown men on. They shouldn't be wanting to shower with their "sons" ...see what I'm saying...I may judge a little harsher because of my beliefs...but really 9 boys? Most normal gay couples would settle for a min 3 boys and call it a day. Or a mix of girls and boys...No matter how good a citizen may be or how they may "act" in front of the "system" it was about those kids.. and someone should have been checked out them boys.
 
Here's the rub... Foster kids/late adoptees make ideal victims because their accusations are often not believable. But their accusations aren't believable because they too commonly have serious problems and may make false and manipulative accusations that can destroy lives. It's one of the very real hazards of taking these kids in. I'd never risk it til my own are well into adulthood, and then with my eyes wide open. Being gay makes these men even more prone to judgement based on the accusation. They may well be sick, abusive shits, but I'll hold my judgement til the case plays out with more to sway me than the word of a damaged teen.

Damn ya'll jacked my thread!

I did put "allegedly" in my thread title for that reason, but the five year old also reported abuse. We will see.
 
Okay, let me rephrase this, so this time I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Anyone who is legally going through the system to adopt children..be it they are gay straight bi les ...should be investigated every year. To protect children from men and women pedophiles. I feel if the system there would have been doing their job, they may have caught them sooner. For every other child there should be some type of interview every year from the child until they are 18.. for people who like to keep adopting just to make sure they are safe and not being abused. .

Guess I'll start replying from the bottom up.

I agree there should be more follow up...with all fosters and adoptions, but I think the truth is, this is a production put on by DCF. They are more than happy to let a kid being and fostered out and adopted quickly slide down the priority list of supervision by them.
 
I don't think it's suspicious.. Now if these two guys drove a white van with "free candy" on the side and were accused of diddling kids, I'd be worried (which they are, so I am). Otherwise, I don't see the difference in two gays adopting that many kids than two straights adopting them. It's Non sequitur. Some people just genuinely love children and want to give them homes and families where they're loved and not abused, just like some people happen to be homosexual.

I'd like to point out Sandusky is married to a woman and there have been no attacks I've seen yet on statements about it being suspicious he's fostered/adopted collected around the house all boys.
 
Guess I'll start replying from the bottom up.

I agree there should be more follow up...with all fosters and adoptions, but I think the truth is, this is a production put on by DCF. They are more than happy to let a kid being and fostered out and adopted quickly slide down the priority list of supervision by them.

True, I just think its sad this whole entire situation played out the way it did.
 
This gave me a headache but I understand where Nita is coming from but I also get why the others got their undies up in bunch.....Now can we go back to the story??
 
[MENTION=1471]Mybabiesmomma[/MENTION]....whew, a relief to have a regular postee inject some diplomacy here...i admit initally i took offense at Nita's comment because it came off a little slurish but i believe after her many badly written comments i've changed my mind. i do not believe she meant the tone and as someone who doesn't always communicate clearly....i can sympathize. let us all remember we are here to condemn the evil not the illiterate ;)
 
[MENTION=1471]Mybabiesmomma[/MENTION]....whew, a relief to have a regular postee inject some diplomacy here...i admit initally i took offense at Nita's comment because it came off a little slurish but i believe after her many badly written comments i've changed my mind. i do not believe she meant the tone and as someone who doesn't always communicate clearly....i can sympathize. let us all remember we are here to condemn the evil not the illiterate ;)

lmao@illiterate i see the jab but imma leave it alone hahahah this thread has already taken 259 twist and turns for no reason!!
 
If proven guilty they should be given death! Pedophiles are the scum of the earth & should be dealt with accordingly!
Some say prison time for them, I say no that they might like the treatment that they would get. Thats why death to ALL pedophiles is the only logical conclusion!
 
Does it feel like middle school in here, or is it just me? Haha

Anyway, I don't find it suspicious that they adopted all boys. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Especially since the older kids are saying they are innocent. If it's just one kid accusing, it is possible he's making it up. We all know how damaged some of these kids get having lived in the system their whole life. Sad, but true. Definitely could go either way.
 
And thas your opinion boo, you don't know me..yet i dont see anything i said wrong..yet the person before me called me all types of names but I'm the ghetto one for responding the same way? GTFOH you sound dumb...but stupid is as stupid does...you are a non mother fucking factor bitch...remember that!

"You don't knooooowwwww mmmmeeeee." Seriously? LOL I grew up "ghetto" and I'm really tired of that term being synonymous with uneducated. I was allowed to use libraries too, just like all those rich children, and my keyboard also has apostrophes and commas on it. It's the age of Google, so there's just no excuse for not filling in the holes of an inadequate public education.

You'll also find your message is received much better — even by those who disagree with you, if you write and speak properly.

BTW, I had no idea you were black. I couldn't see your pic on my screen, but I can just barely make it out if I tilt it.
 
"You don't knooooowwwww mmmmeeeee." Seriously? LOL I grew up "ghetto" and I'm really tired of that term being synonymous with uneducated. I was allowed to use libraries too, just like all those rich children, and my keyboard also has apostrophes and commas on it. It's the age of Google, so there's just no excuse for not filling in the holes of an inadequate public education.

You'll also find your message is received much better — even by those who disagree with you, if you write and speak properly.

BTW, I had no idea you were black. I couldn't see your pic on my screen, but I can just barely make it out if I tilt it.

lmao..fortunately I really don't give a shit ;) i write the way i write ..not the way someone wants me too!! But thanks anyway...carry on!
 
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Does it feel like middle school in here, or is it just me? Haha

Anyway, I don't find it suspicious that they adopted all boys. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Especially since the older kids are saying they are innocent. If it's just one kid accusing, it is possible he's making it up. We all know how damaged some of these kids get having lived in the system their whole life. Sad, but true. Definitely could go either way.

Five year old too.

From 12/2

A Glastonbury man charged with sexually assaulting some of his adopted children had traumatic experiences in his own background that, if known, might have disqualified him as an adoptive parent.

After George Harasz and partner Douglas Wirth were arrested Wednesday, Joette Katz, commissioner of the state Department of Children and Families, said the case prompted several reforms. Among them were more intensive background checks of prospective parents that now encompass the parents' own upbringing and whether significant trauma was present.
Asked whether Harasz had experiences in his background that might have affected his suitability as an adoptive parent, Katz said: "We know it now; we didn't know it then.''

She would not comment further on Harasz's background.

Katz also said Friday that she wanted to keep the Glastonbury allegations in perspective.

"The public sees a case like this, and its perception can become skewed," she said. "The fact is that the percentage of kids maltreated in out-of-home placements is one-half of 1 percent. For every thousand children, that's less than five. Now, that's five too many."

Harasz's biological daughter, Jackie Harasz, 20, and his second-oldest adopted son, Carlos Harasz, 19, dispute the criminal charges and say Harasz and Wirth were loving parents who provided a healthy home life to the nine children they adopted over the last 11 years.

However, another adopted son, Chris Harasz, 18, said in interviews this week that the criminal charges have merit and that life inside the Glastonbury house was traumatic and unhealthy.

Harasz and Wirth were arraigned on the charges Thursday. They have not entered a plea. Both men are free after posting bail.

Katz said one of the lessons learned from the Glastonbury case so far is that background assessments of prospective foster and adoptive parents have to include the parents' own experiences with significant physical, sexual, or emotional abuse.

"I don't want to scare people off,'' Katz, commissioner of DCF since January, said Friday, "but part of the home study has to be what trauma, if any, the prospective adoptive parents have suffered.

"We know [repressed] trauma can surface,'' Katz continued. "Depending on what it is, it may not preclude a prospective parent, but it is certainly something we need to examine.''

Katz said the background information would be key to shaping support services for parents who are approved to receive children.

The allegations in the Glastonbury case come at a time when DCF is mounting a campaign for more foster and adoptive families, as a way to continue to reduce the number of children at residential centers.

"Our focus is always to keep kids with their biological families. If we have to remove a child, then the presumption is going to favor relatives as the first place we look. The next is kinship — people the children already know. Then it's our foster and adoptive families, who are near and dear to us," Katz said.
Harasz and Wirth were registered with a private adoption agency. What made them rare was that they wanted to adopt DCF children, said Ken Mysogland, DCF's director of foster care and adoption services.

Most parents who have agencies searching for children for them want to adopt foreign infants, or kids who are not in state care, he said.

Children formerly under DCF care make up the large majority of adopted children in Connecticut, but usually the private adoption companies aren't involved in the process.

In this case. the Downey Side adoption agency, representing Harasz and Wirth, reached out to DCF and said it had a couple who wanted to adopt DCF children.

The private agency did a "home study'' of the household and presented it "as a possible match … for the sibling groups in need of placement,'' Mysogland said in written answers to a series of questions from The Courant.

The study of the Harasz/Wirth household was reviewed by DCF's permanency planning team, which consists of DCF staffers and members of the community, and was "selected to be the best match for these children.''

Over the 11 years, two waivers were granted by different DCF commissioners to allow the family to exceed the usual capacity for adopted children. The first waiver allowed the two men to have six children; the second waiver allowed them to have nine.

Katz has said she became aware of the abuse allegations in February, and the children were quickly removed from the house.

She said the reforms, including requirements for more intensive background checks and stricter standards for waivers, have been in effect since the spring, prompted by the initial allegations in the Glastonbury case.

"This case had led to new ways of thinking about home studies and waivers,'' Katz said. "We didn't wait for the arrests."

Katz and Mysogland said that since the allegations surfaced, several requests for over-capacity waivers from adoptive families in Connecticut have been placed on hold while new criteria are worked out by a team of experts.
http://articles.courant.com/2011-12...02_1_adoptive-families-adoptive-parent-trauma
 
Yeah let us go back to bashing douchenozzles who hurt and kill kids....who by the way are black,white,gay and straight.I feel like I stumbled into an online Springer forum by mistake.:fight:
 
I don't think it's suspicious.. Now if these two guys drove a white van with "free candy" on the side and were accused of diddling kids, I'd be worried (which they are, so I am). Otherwise, I don't see the difference in two gays adopting that many kids than two straights adopting them. It's Non sequitur. Some people just genuinely love children and want to give them homes and families where they're loved and not abused, just like some people happen to be homosexual.


Hmmm...not to jump into pretty hot-button thread here. Oh, who am I kidding? Yes I am!

Anyways, legitimate question here regarding stereotypes. Two homodudes hook up and get hitched. Adopt nine boys. Cool. Now, single guy adopts nine boys. Cool? Meh. Probably not cool.

There's a stereotype there - single guy with fascination for little boys always wanting to tap little boys being synonymous - and its much more mainstream and hence 'tolerated' throughout our whole wheezing bureaucracy as it pertains to children. For good reason? Sure, technically. I would have to agree with that stereotype, even though I am example of such. People in my sociological profile shouldn't be allowed to adopt kids. And its not even a majority of men, I'm sure I'm in the '99%' group of single men who would never abuse a child, especially as a perversion. But one out of a hundred is too much, right? So the 'ban' stands for single guys on things like adoption.

Now, when it comes to married homosexual couples with lots of adopted boys...how many groups are there like that in this country? Statistically is it a higher control group or a lower control group we can cull data from regarding incidents like this? I'm not saying its higher or lower as a risk, indeed I don't even know where to begin answering that question. On that count one thing I would mention is in a male-homomarried house you have 2x the men compared to heteromarried, and men tend to be the problem where there's a problem. Sad but true.

But if we are comfortable profiling groups (such as single white men vis-a-vis adoption) based on raw objective statistics, where should that stop? And should that question be asked of every group with equal statistical rigor? Important moral and legal questions there not well articulated and totally unanswered faces our society today.

And for the record, kid-pervs from what I can tell are just wired wrong. Whether the shtick is little girls or little boys its just a mental defect, and pederasses look for access to their targets however. Sham marriage - hetero or otherwise - opens doors. Religion, sports (If old lady chasing little boy is Cougar, is old man chasing little boy Nittany Lion? GONG! --Confucius, 600 BCE), and of course charities open others. But questions I asked above are valid ones in today's world.
 
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Yeah let us go back to bashing douchenozzles who hurt and kill kids....who by the way are black,white,gay and straight.I feel like I stumbled into an online Springer forum by mistake.:fight:

Then you haven't been around long enough, cause this thread is fucking tame.

And for the record, I don't think Nita types "ghetto" at all. She types legibly and can get a point across just fine. Because she says "you don't know me" or calls people "boo" doesn't equate ghetto in my land. And i also grew up poor. Does it mean I am ghetto cause i call every one babe? Nah. This is ghetto.....

U MAD CUZ iON StAY N DA PROjECtS? MOVE OUt dA HOOd NaH A NiGGA AiNt REAl?dEY hATE U dA MOSt iN YA OWN hMEtOWN DAtS Y MY NOSE StAY UP WEN itOUCh DWN;ONlY N SOtA!

Can you understand that shit? I can't. So unless she starts up with that then lets get back to the fucking topic at hand.
 
Then you haven't been around long enough, cause this thread is fucking tame.

And for the record, I don't think Nita types "ghetto" at all. She types legibly and can get a point across just fine. Because she says "you don't know me" or calls people "boo" doesn't equate ghetto in my land. And i also grew up poor. Does it mean I am ghetto cause i call every one babe? Nah. This is ghetto.....

U MAD CUZ iON StAY N DA PROjECtS? MOVE OUt dA HOOd NaH A NiGGA AiNt REAl?dEY hATE U dA MOSt iN YA OWN hMEtOWN DAtS Y MY NOSE StAY UP WEN itOUCh DWN;ONlY N SOtA!
Can you understand that shit? I can't. So unless she starts up with that then lets get back to the fucking topic at hand.

Thanks Nell :) for showing the difference. But some people are just ignorant all together and "assume" and when you ASSume you make an ASS outta yaself... anyways, I hope those boys get a peace of mind soon!! I feel bad for them and any young child being abused as it is.
 
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George Harasz / Douglas Wirth
Two Glastonbury men accused of sexually assaulting their adopted children appeared before a judge in Superior Court in Hartford Tuesday.

George Harasz and Douglas Wirth pleaded not guilty, and their cases were continued to Feb. 29.
[...]

According to the arrest warrants, Harasz sexually assaulted two boys, ages 5 and 15, through sodomy and repeated inappropriate touching in bathrooms and bedrooms. The abuse often occurred under the guise of cleaning or massaging them, police said.

Wirth is accused of sexually assaulting the 15-year-old to a lesser degree, and of doing nothing to intervene as he witnessed Harasz sexually assault the teenager, according to the warrants.

Harasz also is accused of physically abusing the 15-year-old, including hitting and slapping the boy frequently, and striking him with a belt.

Glastonbury police interviewed more than half of the married couple's nine adopted children, and several said they did not experience any inappropriate sexual contact with Harasz or Wirth. One of the adopted sons and Harasz's biological daughter said that no abuse occurred in the house.

Another adopted son, Chris Harasz, told investigators that what went on in the Harasz-Wirth home was traumatic and unhealthy.
http://www.courant.com/community/gl...-sex-abuse-case-0118-20120117,0,2226703.story
 
Plea Agreement For No Jail Blows Up
A judge on Friday allowed two Glastonbury men, accused two years ago of sexually assaulting two of their nine adopted boys, to withdraw their no-contest pleas and take their cases to trial.

The unusual action came during what was to be a sentencing hearing for George Harasz and Douglas Wirth, who entered pleas in January to one felony count each of risk of injury to a minor. They agreed to suspended prison sentences. The only issue for Friday's hearing was to be whether each would be required to register as sex offenders.

But a new allegation of sexual assault against Harasz by one of the victims, contained in a pre-sentence investigation of Harasz, helped scrap the plea agreement. The case was further clouded Friday by disclosure in court of new allegations of abuse by three other of the nine children. No new criminal charges have been filed.

The new information gives rise to the possibility of new criminal charges, and therefore continuing with Friday's planned sentencing would not have been prudent, prosecutor David Zagaja told Judge Joan K. Alexander. Further, Zagaja said, the victim has said he wants to testify against Wirth and Harasz at trial.
[...]

The new allegations of abuse revealed in the pre-sentence investigation are "dramatically different and more extreme," the judge said.

"[The son said] he has scars from being held down and raped and that those injuries were inflicted by a weapon," Zagaja said, quoting the report.

Alexander also had pointed questions for a state Department of Children and Families lawyer. She asked why a DCF social worker, who accompanied the victim to the interview with a probation officer, heard the new allegation of sexual assault and did not report it to law enforcement. State law requires DCF officials to report such allegations to law enforcement within 12 hours, she noted.

Matthew LaRock, a DCF attorney who was in court Friday, responded that the DCF worker thought the allegation was part and parcel of the criminal case pending against Wirth and Harasz.

Alexander called the response "disingenuous."

The victim noted in the interview that he had never told investigators about the incident, the judge said. "How could that be interpreted as part and parcel," she asked.

Later, DCF Commissioner Joette Katz, who was also in court, said the new allegation would immediately be referred for investigation. She also revealed that three of five younger children the couple adopted have alleged abuse by Wirth and Harasz to counselors.

Although the sentencing did not proceed, one of the alleged teenage victims spoke and urged that Wirth and Harasz be jailed. He said the physical, psychological and sexual abuse began when he was 6 years old. Wirth and Harasz would touch him and violate him, he said, and would make him satisfy them sexually. The alleged victim — the same one who made the new allegations — said Harasz and Wirth abused him when no one else was around.

"They took turns raping me over and over," he said. "Anyone who would do this to a child is a sick, demented person."

Several others people spoke on behalf of Wirth and Harasz, including Carlos Harasz, the brother of two of the men who have made allegations against their parents; Harasz's biological son and daughter; and Wirth's father Russell Wirth. They called the accusers liars and said they were mentally ill.

Carlos Harasz said his brother was lying. The abuse he described, Carlos Harasz said, was what he and his brothers instead suffered at the hand of other foster parents. Harasz and Wirth did not abuse them, he said.

"I told the truth," Carlos Harasz said, "that nothing ever happened."

Harasz and Wirth, Carlos Harasz said, gave he and his brothers a "normal, painless life" after years of being abused and neglected by other foster families and his own mother. He asked why it took three incidents to get him removed from his mother's home, but only "one statement from a disturbed kid to kill the souls of Doug and George."

DCF and the police failed to properly investigate and "took the word of an angry, damaged, disturbed boy and destroyed a family." He said "DCF was played by my brothers."
[...]

The judge outlined several of those problems before allowing the men to withdraw their pleas. She said DCF had been actively involved with the family, had investigated allegations of abuse, and had sustained one. A question at trial will be whether the previous complaints were true or whether DCF had been incompetent. The state also has no forensic evidence of the assaults, she said.

The judge also noted that DCF also departed from its own rules in allowing Wirth and Harasz to adopt so many children. Twice, the couple was granted waivers to adopt more children, she noted.

She ordered the parties back to court June 5. The long continuance is to allow police to investigate the new allegations and to report to prosecutors.

The men adopted nine boys, from three sibling groups, beginning in 2000. Police began an investigation in February 2011, and the boys were removed from the home. A second investigation began six months later.
http://articles.courant.com/2013-04...06-20130405_1_george-harasz-dcf-douglas-wirth
 
This is just sickening and heartbreaking what these bastards did to these kids. I believe them, after reading the affidavit there is no way those kids lied.

It's 23 pages long, they've damaged those boys and for the fucking state to even consider not giving them jail time is criminal! I think it's on page 20 where one of the victims was caught masturbating at daycare. It broke my heart to read that he kept saying he wanted to die.

The state after AND ONLY after pressure from the guardians is going to try them. 3 more of the boys have come forward. They adopted 3 sets of 3 siblings. I'm so disgusted with this case.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...rrest-reports.pdf&hl=en_US&gpid=1&chrome=true

 
@China said, "I'm so disgusted with this case." That pretty well sums it up for me, too. Sometimes there just aren't enough words to describe the depth and degree of disgust with all the pedophiles, cruel-assed child beaters, apathetic asshole check collectors, and other sub-human trash running rampant like skittering cockroaches in the Foster Monster and DCF Adoption system.

This is the latest info. I could find. I'm still a newb @ demon functions and I can't seem to get the article to C & P correctly w/this new mobile browser, so please bear with me.

http://www.commdiginews.com/news-2/glastonbury-ct-prosecutors-fail-child-sex-abuse-victims-21491/
 
Theses two are disgusting waste of human skin. Preying on children already suffering from previous bad experiences. So glad the plea deal fell through. They need the full penalty if the law.
 
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